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Well during the Pitt vs ND game Raftery mentioned that Brey saind no one will want to play Providence.
Bilas added that Batts has really picked up his game and is unstopable. 4 in a row for Friars and only
Gtown has a longer streak. We all will know more after their game up a Syracuse this week.
Meanwhile Pitt has lost 2 in a row and will be smarting on Sunday. Nothing is easy but Pitt suddenly
looks very beatable.
 
Providence is an absolutely essential piece of the C-7 puzzle. Nova is always good (even when most of you said they would suck), G'Town has a great team and is always good, Marquette is always solid, we are finally coming back to at least compete for tourney berths and hopefully rankings and deeper runs in the coming years, Butler is good, Xavier will definitely get back to being very good with great recruiting, and now even Providence is showing signs of life. Assuming we keep progressing and become a fairly consistent top 25 program with great recruiting classes consistently, and Providence turns its program back around as it appears they are soon, the C-7 will be a beast. DePaul is just DePaul...Seton Hall is awful but they should be able to at least compete every once in a while.
 
Providence is an absolutely essential piece of the C-7 puzzle. Nova is always good (even when most of you said they would suck), G'Town has a great team and is always good, Marquette is always solid, we are finally coming back to at least compete for tourney berths and hopefully rankings and deeper runs in the coming years, Butler is good, Xavier will definitely get back to being very good with great recruiting, and now even Providence is showing signs of life. Assuming we keep progressing and become a fairly consistent top 25 program with great recruiting classes consistently, and Providence turns its program back around as it appears they are soon, the C-7 will be a beast. DePaul is just DePaul...Seton Hall is awful but they should be able to at least compete every once in a while.
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You were one of the people that said they sucked
 
Providence is an absolutely essential piece of the C-7 puzzle. Nova is always good (even when most of you said they would suck), G'Town has a great team and is always good, Marquette is always solid, we are finally coming back to at least compete for tourney berths and hopefully rankings and deeper runs in the coming years, Butler is good, Xavier will definitely get back to being very good with great recruiting, and now even Providence is showing signs of life. Assuming we keep progressing and become a fairly consistent top 25 program with great recruiting classes consistently, and Providence turns its program back around as it appears they are soon, the C-7 will be a beast. DePaul is just DePaul...Seton Hall is awful but they should be able to at least compete every once in a while.
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You were one of the people that said they sucked
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Better go back and look, because I was one of the few if not the only one saying both UConn and Nova would probably be way better than people were letting on. Nova is one of those teams that is so well-run that they always seem to have the talent to compete and take down great teams. UConn is too talented with their 3 guards to be a bad team. I am 3-3 about Nova being way better than expected, UConn being solid, and Creighton being overrated. Nova is a team I envy and wish we could be.
 
Providence is an absolutely essential piece of the C-7 puzzle. Nova is always good (even when most of you said they would suck), G'Town has a great team and is always good, Marquette is always solid, we are finally coming back to at least compete for tourney berths and hopefully rankings and deeper runs in the coming years, Butler is good, Xavier will definitely get back to being very good with great recruiting, and now even Providence is showing signs of life. Assuming we keep progressing and become a fairly consistent top 25 program with great recruiting classes consistently, and Providence turns its program back around as it appears they are soon, the C-7 will be a beast. DePaul is just DePaul...Seton Hall is awful but they should be able to at least compete every once in a while.
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You were one of the people that said they sucked
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Better go back and look, because I was one of the few if not the only one saying both UConn and Nova would probably be way better than people were letting on. Nova is one of those teams that is so well-run that they always seem to have the talent to compete and take down great teams. UConn is too talented with their 3 guards to be a bad team. I am 3-3 about Nova being way better than expected, UConn being solid, and Creighton being overrated. Nova is a team I envy and wish we could be.
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3 for 3? Delusions of a grandeur, self-congratulate, or whatever you wanna call it. You do this often.

Why would anyone envy 'Nova? I guess your standards aren't high. They are only a half game better than us, and currently sit at 17-10 overall. They do have a couple of solid wins in conference, but they were played at home.
 
Providence is an absolutely essential piece of the C-7 puzzle. Nova is always good (even when most of you said they would suck), G'Town has a great team and is always good, Marquette is always solid, we are finally coming back to at least compete for tourney berths and hopefully rankings and deeper runs in the coming years, Butler is good, Xavier will definitely get back to being very good with great recruiting, and now even Providence is showing signs of life. Assuming we keep progressing and become a fairly consistent top 25 program with great recruiting classes consistently, and Providence turns its program back around as it appears they are soon, the C-7 will be a beast. DePaul is just DePaul...Seton Hall is awful but they should be able to at least compete every once in a while.
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You were one of the people that said they sucked
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Better go back and look, because I was one of the few if not the only one saying both UConn and Nova would probably be way better than people were letting on. Nova is one of those teams that is so well-run that they always seem to have the talent to compete and take down great teams. UConn is too talented with their 3 guards to be a bad team. I am 3-3 about Nova being way better than expected, UConn being solid, and Creighton being overrated. Nova is a team I envy and wish we could be.
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You had the classic "give me one reason to optimistic" quote after the nova game and you said that its going to be a long season because we just lost to a team that's going to be in the basement in the big east, I remember that because I went to that game ad remember thinking he's crazy nova is pretty good.
 
Better go back and look
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Happy to. What you said about Nova was:

"it's [the OT loss] a big fat L against a lower level Nova team with half the talent we have."

Wot a maroon.
 
No sign of STJ but he did include Providence at 62 :sick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-col...nking-top-68-teams-country-college-basketball
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Again balancing reality with optimism, we are an NIT team not an NCAA team. The NIT will be terrific experience like it was with Sealy, Williamas et al. (was Buchanon there?)

We're just going to have to play solid and pick up some wins - none of the remaining games is an obvious "W".

thanks

all the best from Aruba
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You could very, well be right, but the season isn't over. We still have 5 more regular season games, and the Big East Tournament to determine whether we're an NCAA or NIT team.
 
Better go back and look
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Happy to. What you said about Nova was:

"it's [the OT loss] a big fat L against a lower level Nova team with half the talent we have."

Wot a maroon.
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Wow, better not ask Fun to check on past postings. You may come up with egg on your face.
 
No sign of STJ but he did include Providence at 62 :sick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-col...nking-top-68-teams-country-college-basketball
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That's great, we get a shot to beat'em up on their court. The coach losing his father and Branch getting hurt has been a sad, and rough time. It is getting to the time of the year when our guys gonna play their way in or out. Kinda simple. In 2011 Steve got his guys woke up and ready to win just in time. We know he knows how to get it done, but it can't be just on him. Are the kids ready?
 
No sign of STJ but he did include Providence at 62 :sick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-col...nking-top-68-teams-country-college-basketball
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Again balancing reality with optimism, we are an NIT team not an NCAA team. The NIT will be terrific experience like it was with Sealy, Williamas et al. (was Buchanon there?)

We're just going to have to play solid and pick up some wins - none of the remaining games is an obvious "W".

thanks

all the best from Aruba
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SS@G, U a great poster and very civil, like the war. Get it? Civil, like the war. Anyway, laying around in the sun making U soft. We so close to dancing, the kids can taste it. That might be something coach Steve telling them and they are. 3 home games, and 2 winnable road games left in regular season, and then the BE tourny in our backyard. You been singing NIT for a while now. You looking for easy landing? If the kids don't make it, they should be miserable, and I prefer they be happy.
 
No sign of STJ but he did include Providence at 62 :sick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-col...nking-top-68-teams-country-college-basketball
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Again balancing reality with optimism, we are an NIT team not an NCAA team. The NIT will be terrific experience like it was with Sealy, Williamas et al. (was Buchanon there?)

We're just going to have to play solid and pick up some wins - none of the remaining games is an obvious "W".

thanks

all the best from Aruba
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SS@G, U a great poster and very civil, like the war. Get it? Civil, like the war. Anyway, laying around in the sun making U soft. We so close to dancing, the kids can taste it. That might be something coach Steve telling them and they are. 3 home games, and 2 winnable road games left in regular season, and then the BE tourny in our backyard. You been singing NIT for a while now. You looking for easy landing? If the kids don't make it, they should be miserable, and I prefer they be happy.
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I don't think the NIT is a great experience. However you look at it, it is still the loser's bracket. Sure, it's better than nothing, but the NCAA tournament is exponentially more beneficial to any young squad's seasoning. The problem is we are an NIT team at this point, but that could change with four wins by season's end.
 
No sign of STJ but he did include Providence at 62 :sick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-col...nking-top-68-teams-country-college-basketball
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Again balancing reality with optimism, we are an NIT team not an NCAA team. The NIT will be terrific experience like it was with Sealy, Williamas et al. (was Buchanon there?)

We're just going to have to play solid and pick up some wins - none of the remaining games is an obvious "W".

thanks

all the best from Aruba
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As of right now, I agree with you. But the players have the opportunity to change that with a strong finish to the season.

Let's just say the team is able to win 4 of its last 5 games. It'll be hard to keep out a team that wins 4 of 5 against USF, #20 Pittsburgh, Providence, #25 Notre Dame, and #17 Marquette. Again, I'm not saying they will win those games. I'm just saying they are more than talented enough to pull those games out. But the margin for error is slim.
 
Better go back and look
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Happy to. What you said about Nova was:

"it's [the OT loss] a big fat L against a lower level Nova team with half the talent we have."

Wot a maroon.
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At that point in the season Nova was bad and it was a game we all know we should have won but let get away. If you actually look for other posts though, I did say both Nova and UConn were way better than people on here were implying. I remember people saying Nova is going to be really bad, DePaul was going to be good, UConn would be a terrible team, etc. The opposite is true.
 
At that point, Nova was 9-4 and we were 8-4. Why were we so much better than them at that time?

Now they are 8-6 in the BE and we are 7-6, with a game we should win to morrow night, but they are significantly better than us?

The Big East can be separated into 3 tiers. The top teams are Cuse, 'Ville, G'town and Marquette (? I'm still not a believer). The bottom level is Rutgers, Seton Hall, Depaul and So. Florida. Everyone else is somewhere in the middle, fighting for position. We're in that group with ND, Pitt, Nova, Cinci, Uconn, and Providence. Pitt and ND are obviously closer to that top level than the rest and I think 4 out of that middle group will get bids, along with the top 4.
 
At that point, Nova was 9-4 and we were 8-4. Why were we so much better than them at that time?

Now they are 8-6 in the BE and we are 7-6, with a game we should win to morrow night, but they are significantly better than us?

The Big East can be separated into 3 tiers. The top teams are Cuse, 'Ville, G'town and Marquette (? I'm still not a believer). The bottom level is Rutgers, Seton Hall, Depaul and So. Florida. Everyone else is somewhere in the middle, fighting for position. We're in that group with ND, Pitt, Nova, Cinci, Uconn, and Providence. Pitt and ND are obviously closer to that top level than the rest and I think 4 out of that middle group will get bids, along with the top 4.
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I know for a fact that I said both UConn and Nova are too talented to be bad teams this year. No one would want to find those posts though, only the ones that paint the negative portrait of me that they want to push. If you are going to look back at past posts at least be objective unlike Fun. The reason I was so pissed losing to Nova was really because we should have won it, not that they were so inferior. I said we have more talent which I think we still do...just not translating it to wins sometimes. Nova just seems like a team that recruits better and prepares its team better than us...I understand I'm saying that subjectively with no specific documentation, but I think people know what I mean. They run a tight ship there, they have chemistry, they always have great shooters, and they always seem to be dangerous even in down years. We are a dangerous team as well, but against upper tier competition we still get blown out. Nova can handle those teams. They have the ability to beat the top tier names and also blow out weaker competition. We do neither. Beating #14 and #20 ranked teams is very solid, but beating 2 top 5 teams is much more impressive and now they are in better position than us to make the tourney. Basically if it comes to us and them to get the last spot in the conference, they take it due to the tie breaker and their much better signature wins.

We certainly are growing and have a chance to really become a top 25 team again consistently, but Nova has a different feel to them where you know they will be in the top 25 very soon and you know they really can knock down the giants. I think we have a chance of that, but it's not as great since we get blown out by the Cuse/L'Ville/G'Town's. I love this team, but I try to stay realistic and not get my hopes up like every other NY team that seems to blow it when the pressure is on.
 
I don't disagree with much of what you just said. However, I feel hat they have a more balanced roster than us, both in terms of size as well as experience. Achidiacono, when he's hot, is very hot. He is inconsistent but we caught him on a hot night. Maybe that was just our defensive deficiency at that point in the season. I, too, was upset over that loss because I felt that a few breaks and just a bit better defense and we would have won. Not because I think we are a vastly superior team than them.

By the way, I'm still not sure if you think they are a good team or a bad team. Let me just say, Jay Wright is a successful coach (sorry Gonzalo) and he has, over many years, built a good program. We are coming together quickly but we are not there yet.
 
I don't disagree with much of what you just said. However, I feel hat they have a more balanced roster than us, both in terms of size as well as experience. Achidiacono, when he's hot, is very hot. He is inconsistent but we caught him on a hot night. Maybe that was just our defensive deficiency at that point in the season. I, too, was upset over that loss because I felt that a few breaks and just a bit better defense and we would have won. Not because I think we are a vastly superior team than them.

By the way, I'm still not sure if you think they are a good team or a bad team. Let me just say, Jay Wright is a successful coach (sorry Gonzalo) and he has, over many years, built a good program. We are coming together quickly but we are not there yet.
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I think Nova is a good team right now, and is a shoe-in for the top 25 next year at some point. It's hard to describe...they are just such a well-coached, talented team with chemistry and Nova always seems to have those bombers who can make tons of shots year after year. That's why even when they were predicted to have a down year, I figured they would be extremely dangerous. I don't think I've ever seen them truly fail much at any point in my life. They have consistently been a great program and this is a down year for them on the bubble. That should be telling. I want to see us get to the point where I'm not worried about us getting embarrassed by G'Town/Cuse/L'Ville on our home court at MSG on the train ride in. Once we are at the point where we can consistently compete with the real top tier foes like Nova has done, I will know we are back. Nova beat some very good teams, and then turned around and beat USF by 20+. That is what we need to learn how to do. Not win vs. Cincy then lose to Rutgers. We have to beat Cuse then turn around and beat Seton Hall by 20. This team is way too inconsistent right now to rattle off 5 straight wins against anyone with some road games let alone the better teams like ND, Marquette, and Pitt. I have been saying this for like 5 weeks now, but we are so overdue to be hot from 3...I'm a big law of averages guy. If we can catch fire from back there with D'Lo and Marco with Sampson doing his thing down low, we can definitely get in the tourney. Whether or not that will happen though remains to be seen.
 
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