Big East Stats thru 1/8/21

[TheArtest15]

Not that MJD needs me to speak for him but you are completely incorrect. MJD pointed out in Mullins first year that certain things were very wrong and he proved to be correct. But he did not harp on it like a broken record, but rather stated it as an objective and concerned fan. There is a huge difference. Unfortunately what he wrote early on in Mullins tenure proved to be true. With CMA no one is happy, we are all disappointed with play this second season, and all have concerns about recruiting. Some feel the need to harp on it every post while others feel, notwithstanding their concerns, that a coach with 19 consecutive winning seasons deserves a little more of a chance prior to requesting his removal. Some are asking for a little more patience while others have none and have made up their their minds as to CMAs abilities at SJU. 
I, as a 39 year vested fan of the program am disappointed this season but do I feel Rome is burning, absolutely not. Do I feel he can't do the job, absolutely not. Do I feel he needs far more time before I make up my mind, absolutely. One can be disappointed but not feel the need to call out the staffs flaws every post. By your logic Kentucky should fire Calipari today as his 5 star roster has a loosing record. I am sure the people in Lexington are disappointed as hell but no one is pushing him out the door. 

Oh so when myself and others post about us feeling like things are going wrong for CMA thats totally different? Makes no sense to me at all. As ive stated before I coach on Long Island and know and am friends with coaches at some of the top programs here and in AAU and what they have told me has seemed to be true about kids wanting to play for CMA. So I am just voicing my concerns from my own eyes and the sources that I have. The facts are the higher ranked kids that we have offered and have been in on that I know of from the area do not want to play in this system. I am just sick of people saying that those who are against the coach thus far have an agenda. No, our agenda is that we are tired of losing and want to see the program do well and head in the right direction. Everyone stated how deep we were and how much we would improve in CMAs second year and it has totally been the opposite.

I respect that you coach in the area and I always enjoy reading posts from those who are connected.

My question is what coach do kids want to play for around here.  We've run the gamut the last 20 years.  From a pompous jerk in Jarvis to a hard working well respected assistant in Norm.  To a slick talker in Lavin to a former City and School Legend in over his head to now a no nonsese 'coach' who has won plenty of games in his career.  Yet the common theme is kids avoid SJU like the plague.  A rhetorical question but what's the answer?  Who would be the coach NYC kids actually want to stay home and play for their hometown school?

Appreciate it Moose and understand what you are saying. There are faults of every coach we have had here. From what I know is that Lavin did not have the best relationships with City coaches here and AAU coaches as well. He was able to land Harkless but most of his recruits were from out of state, which was fine. The knock they had on Mullin was that he wasnt really around much. Matt A was the guy who mostly dealt with coaches and handlers etc. The thing is, Mullin and Lavin were still able to get some highly talented players here during their tenure. CMA has yet to really do that. These coaches like CMA as a person and really respect him but they say its hardf to sell them on the system that he plays. How many teams play a system like this anymore? 

Kids seem to avoid SJU but have no problem going to Seton Hall.  Similar programs with similar facilities and they have no problem sustaining winning there with Willard. It took him a while to build that so lets hopoe CMA can do that here. Just saying that nothing I have heard or seen has led me to believe that yet. 

 

[Moose]

Thanks for the response Artest.

The problem is also this so called system.  Arkansas fans told us the 40 minutes of hell hasn't existed for years.  Even Anderson downplays it all the time when asked about it.  Calls it the 10 minutes of What the Hell.  Defense was never an Anderson thing either.  Below are his years at ARK and PPG/Points Against per Game.  This year we are averaging 81 for and against.

2018-19- 73/74
2017-18- 77/78
2016-17- 79/76
2015-16- 75/75
2014-15- 75/71
2013-14- 76/74
2012-13- 67/67
2011-12- 69/75

So I don't really see how this style is different than many other college teams.  It has a bit of roll the ball out and let them play which a lot of school do.  NYC players I would think we actually enjoy that style.  But I guess I'm wrong there.

 

[fordham96]

Thanks for the response Artest.

The problem is also this so called system.  Arkansas fans told us the 40 minutes of hell hasn't existed for years.  Even Anderson downplays it all the time when asked about it.  Calls it the 10 minutes of What the Hell.  Defense was never an Anderson thing either.  Below are his years at ARK and PPG/Points Against per Game.  This year we are averaging 81 for and against.

2018-19- 73/74
2017-18- 77/78
2016-17- 79/76
2015-16- 75/75
2014-15- 75/71
2013-14- 76/74
2012-13- 67/67
2011-12- 69/75

So I don't really see how this style is different than many other college teams.  It has a bit of roll the ball out and let them play which a lot of school do.  NYC players I would think we actually enjoy that style.  But I guess I'm wrong there.

I happen to agree. I think his system is the type that is fun for kids to play in. He has to get the kids...
 

 

[TheArtest15]

Thanks for the response Artest.

The problem is also this so called system.  Arkansas fans told us the 40 minutes of hell hasn't existed for years.  Even Anderson downplays it all the time when asked about it.  Calls it the 10 minutes of What the Hell.  Defense was never an Anderson thing either.  Below are his years at ARK and PPG/Points Against per Game.  This year we are averaging 81 for and against.

2018-19- 73/74
2017-18- 77/78
2016-17- 79/76
2015-16- 75/75
2014-15- 75/71
2013-14- 76/74
2012-13- 67/67
2011-12- 69/75

So I don't really see how this style is different than many other college teams.  It has a bit of roll the ball out and let them play which a lot of school do.  NYC players I would think we actually enjoy that style.  But I guess I'm wrong there.

I happen to agree. I think his system is the type that is fun for kids to play in. He has to get the kids...

 

Just syaing what ive heard from people I know.

 

[paultzman]

I just think we need better players. CMA seems a capable guy as his record indicates.

Posh, like most freshmen point guards in BE, will have his struggles, may never be dead eye shooter, won't overpower kids as much as he did in high school, but will be solid in time.

Julian is obviously a keeper. Greg may be one of this guys who teases us, but at end of day he may be adequate and not high echelon BE performer.

The rest of the guys are role players, some better than others. Wusu,being a freshmen, seems to have an upside, Marcellus can have his days, two Jucos are very spotty and Dunn is up and down.

Imo, assuming that this group sticks together, which I doubt, it means we need to add players of consequence. I have a feeling Pinzon will be nice program player over four years and Drissa a good complementary kid who will rebound and defend. To me, a talent gap will still remain as well as the moby dick like never ending search for a competent big. 

With transfer mania about to commence, I think we have more to lose than gain, so all in all I can see another challenging season ahead on heels of 20-21 which seems to be headed to 5 wins or so and another dreadful road record.

Getting better players here is easy to say, but harder to do though. I think we'll see a staff shuffle and hopefully they can afford to pay for a seasoned, aggressive recruiter and provide adequate re$ources to start upgrading roster over next two years.

 

 

[RedStormNC]

Paultz - you noted potential staff shuffle.

With Cleveland being a relative, and associate HC, likely he stays unless he gets HC somewhere? Have no idea where his strengths lie -  in-game, player dev. or recruiting.

Thinking Macon stays as he has the local connections and doing OK on that end.

Would seem Demeo more likely to be the one to leave if his JUCO credentials and connections are not working for us.

Thoughts?

 

[paultzman]

Paultz - you noted potential staff shuffle.

With Cleveland being a relative, and associate HC, likely he stays unless he gets HC somewhere? Have no idea where his strengths lie -  in-game, player dev. or recruiting.

Thinking Macon stays as he has the local connections and doing OK on that end.

Would seem Demeo more likely to be the one to leave if his JUCO credentials and connections are not working for us.

Thoughts?

Just my opinion, but agree with you.

 

[L J S A]

I've seen video of DeMeo running interesting drills in the past, so I think he can coach. Hasn't seemed to have landed many (any?) kids he was lead on, though.

I wonder if some Northeast connections dried up while he was in the South, and the newer Southern connections don't help much when he's at a school in the Northeast.

 

[L J S A]

With Cleveland being a relative, and associate HC, likely he stays unless he gets HC somewhere? Have no idea where his strengths lie -  in-game, player dev. or recruiting.

I remember him being touted as a solid teacher of defense -- whoops -- and having a ton of JC connections.

That's definitely the profile of a mid-major/low major head coach if he was looking to take the next step. 

 

[Knight]

How much do our assistant coaches have to do with game strategy?

 

[RedStormNC]

FWIW, DeMeo was clearly the one who drew up the under the basket play against G'town that took us into OT.  Was surprised when I saw the camera showing that. Flashback to Greg St. Jean moment.  It was really well done.

 

[lawmanfan]

DeMeo's JUCO coaching record seems to indicate that he can recruit or coach or both. 

I remain of the opinion that the main problem for this team is defense.  Some of it is structural (they don't have a servicable big to defend the paint) but a lot of it is lack of fundamentals and lack of cohesion as a team.  I'm somewhat surprised by the latter (I can see how lots of new players and the disrupted schedule would be a problem, but I would have hoped it could be overcome by coaching) and very surprised by the former.

If they fixed the defense then I continue to think they'd be fine, but you can't be at the bottom of the league in every core defensive category and expect to compete on a regular basis.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Paultz - you noted potential staff shuffle.

With Cleveland being a relative, and associate HC, likely he stays unless he gets HC somewhere? Have no idea where his strengths lie -  in-game, player dev. or recruiting.

Thinking Macon stays as he has the local connections and doing OK on that end.

Would seem Demeo more likely to be the one to leave if his JUCO credentials and connections are not working for us.

Thoughts?


If the Fordham job opens up, as expected, I would think you will hear Van's named mentioned, especially with his NYC/L.I. connections

 

 

[RedStormNC]

JSJ - good potential call on Macon/Fordham - could definitely see him as a potential candidate there. Fordham is awful !!!  lol