Big East NCAA Tournament Hopefuls

Marillac

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It is shaping up to be a four bid conference--although three and five bids are still very possible. As I see it, six teams still have a reasonable shot at an NCAA berth: Nova and Creighton are both locks at #6 and #12 in the polls and #3 and #10 in the RPI, respectively. Xavier and Providence would be likely selections if the season ended today, and St. John's and Georgetown are the wildcards--both with excellent standing in all the metrics, but a lot of ground to make up. All four potential bubble teams have two remaining games against Nova and Creighton.

St. John's - I'll temper my excitement for St. John's somewhat until Creighton, but a win there and it's off to the races. A loss would really hurt. Assuming, for now, a win against Creighton, I think a reasonable end to the SJU season would be comfortable home wins against Butler, Xavier, and DePaul, with a let down game against SH or GTown. I think a loss would propel them to a victory over Nova and they cut through the last three games with ease, beating Marquette by double-digits on the road to close the season either 21-10 with top 35 rankings in RPI, SOS, BPI and KenPom or 20-11 with solid standings in those rankings. I expect a first round BET win which would ensure two RPI and SOS bolstering games against top 100 RPI schools on a neutral court. The biggest problem right now is there isn't a single big-time win on the resume. 21 wins is the magic #, and those that think we have to win the BET have nothing to back up that claim. Show me a team with 21+ wins--with top 40 RPI and SOS rankings--from a major conference that has been left out since the field expanded to 68.

Xavier - They have lost three in a row and suspended a player I thought really gave them an added dimension up front. They have gone from a near-lock to a team that looks likely to get passed over by St. John's and possibly Gtown. They took advantage of an easy schedule to start (first three and 4/5 conference games at home), but they have the most difficult remaining schedule of the four potential bubble teams, with 5/9 on the road and Creighton, Nova, and Providence at home. Losing to SH at home could prove to be devastating. They've gone from a top 35 RPI to 51 during their three game skid. 15-7, 5-4, #51 RPI. (@Gtown 2/22, @SJU 2/25).


Providence - In a slightly better position than Xavier after beating them at home 1/25. The rematch @Xavier this weekend has huge implications for the conference. A Providence win would put them in the driver's seat and make it very tough for them to be surpassed as the three seed, since they'd be 2-0 over Xavier and would have at least split with both SJU and Gtown. A Providence loss would open the door for SJU and Gtown to make a run at the three seed. 16-7, 6-4 , #50 RPI. (@Xavier 2/8, @Gtown 2/10).

Georgetown They looked like a tournament team early, then they were left for dead after a five game conference skid, and now the look alive and well after beating #7 Michigan State and then ending the conference skid against DePaul. They are solid in all the metrics and now have three quality non-conference wins (Kansas State, VCU, and Michigan State) with the #18 SOS in the country. Bad loss to #204 Northeastern and blowout losses to Kansas and Providence hurt, though. Gtown scares me the most, as we do not compare favorably at this point. Our best bet is a home win against Gtown and for them to lose another two or more games.

I think the best outcome would be an Xavier home win over Providence this weekend. Xavier has at leas three losses left after that and we get them at home at the end of the month.
 
The best comp from last year is la Salle. They were 21-9 with a mid 40s rpi and low 50s SOS. They had signature wins down the stretch versus VCU and butler. They also had some pretty bad losses. With that resume the ncaa wasn't fully sold and made them a play in team. That is our most likely scenario IMO, but I'm still not sold this team can finish 7-1. But that is why you play the games.
 
I really disagreed with Lavin's February mantra. To me it seemed like he was trying to lower expectations and unecessarily push back the deadline for when the team should be playing well, both of which would be unacceptable for a team with this much experience. It was also frustrating because I couldn't understand why he was being so vocal - and so repetitive - about it so early in the season. How could he predict when this team would start playing well in November anyway? And if he didn't think it was until later in the season, why be so public about it?

Now, as the tournament picture for this conference starts to take shape (nice summary Marillac), I'm wondering if there was a method to his madness beyond what it seemed (cheaply and transparently reducing expectations).

It could have been a calculated "no downside" play. If the team plays well all season, great, his February prediction is meaningless. But if they don't - and knowing how tough our first 3 conference games were - he's now previewed the narrative for everyone (the media, and most importantly the tournament committe) that this is a team that is going to play it's best basketball later in the season. He's put that right on a silver platter for them - generating some "buzz" about it before it even happened - and that can only help our chances of being viewed this way at a time when it benefits us to be.

If this, or something like it, was his strategy...not the worst idea a coach has ever had.
 
I really disagreed with Lavin's February mantra. To me it seemed like he was trying to lower expectations and unecessarily push back the deadline for when the team should be playing well, both of which would be unacceptable for a team with this much experience. It was also frustrating because I couldn't understand why he was being so vocal - and so repetitive - about it so early in the season. How could he predict when this team would start playing well in November anyway? And if he didn't think it was until later in the season, why be so public about it?

Now, as the tournament picture for this conference starts to take shape (nice summary Marillac), I'm wondering if there was a method to his madness beyond what it seemed (cheaply and transparently reducing expectations).

It could have been a calculated "no downside" play. If the team plays well all season, great, his February prediction is meaningless. But if they don't - and knowing how tough our first 3 conference games were - he's now previewed the narrative for everyone (the media, and most importantly the tournament committe) that this is a team that is going to play it's best basketball later in the season. He's put that right on a silver platter for them - generating some "buzz" about it before it even happened - and that can only help our chances of being viewed this way at a time when it benefits us to be.

If this, or something like it, was his strategy...not the worst idea a coach has ever had.

Doubt it was a strategy. If it was, he put himself in a highly tenuous position. To me Lav beats to a different drum and tends to be a bit unorthodox in his communication. I appreciate we are still alive for NCAA T, but barely. If the team fails to achieve stated goal of Coach L, he should be judged accordingly. Initial portion of BE schedule was tough, but should not be an excuse. Losing close games to Cuse, Nova, etc. should not be deemed positives. Beat Creighton, get on a roll and the stated goal will be achieved. If not, in my view, the season will not be a success. "Wait until next year" response will be equally unappealing. Beat Creighton!
 
The best comp from last year is la Salle. They were 21-9 with a mid 40s rpi and low 50s SOS. They had signature wins down the stretch versus VCU and butler. They also had some pretty bad losses. With that resume the ncaa wasn't fully sold and made them a play in team. That is our most likely scenario IMO, but I'm still not sold this team can finish 7-1. But that is why you play the games.

La Salle is a great comparison, but the Big East is much tougher top to bottom than the top-heavy A-10 was last year. Rhode Island, Duquesne, and Fordham were all sub-200 RPI teams and St. Joe's, Dayton, GW, and St. Bonaventure were all ranked between 100 and 150. They also only had one top 20 RPI team (St. Louis #17). The Big East has only two teams barely outside the top 100, SH and Depaul.

Another good comparison from last year is Nova. They made the tournament with 18 regular season wins, and one in the Big East Tournament. The highest OOC RPI win was over #100 St. Joe's. Nova had a 54 RPI and 20 SOS. They were 8-12 v. the top 100, but they did beat #10 Syracuse and #2 Louisville.
 
This Creighton game really is the most crucial of the season, IMO. It’s our last chance for a win over a ranked team at home. With our record and not one win over a top 25 team, we absolutely have to get this done. Cannot wait for Sunday!!
 
Creighton is the biggest game this junior class has ever played. Hope the garden is rocking.

You think we will get 10,000?

There should be no excuse not to.

Student tickets are selling for $10 and there ar plenty of discount offers on the web (Groupon, etc).
 
If we are going to make any type of run, we need to be in NCAA mode now. Each game should be approached by the team as a must win game, one that enables them to "survive and advance" as the late Jim Valvano would say. I know that technically we can go 7-1 or even 6-2 down the stretch, depending on who the wins come against, but given the whole we dug ourselves in, we need to go out there with the attitude that each game is an elimination game.
 
This Creighton game really is the most crucial of the season, IMO. It’s our last chance for a win over a ranked team at home. With our record and not one win over a top 25 team, we absolutely have to get this done. Cannot wait for Sunday!!

They definitely need a big win to add to the resume. The RPI boost is welcome as well. A win against Creighton puts the RPI inside 50.
 
Creighton is the biggest game this junior class has ever played. Hope the garden is rocking.

You think we will get 10,000?

There should be no excuse not to.

Student tickets are selling for $10 and there ar plenty of discount offers on the web (Groupon, etc).

Just got an email from MSG-Ticketmaster. $20 off tickets via ticketmaster

code: JOHNNIES
 
Does anyone know if MSG still gives discounted tickets with a valid student ID? I think I've used that discount for the past decade, but just wanted to check. Cant' find info on this anywhere.
 
@HolyLandofHoops: ESPN Bracketology with 4 #BIGEAST teams dancing: Nova 2, Creighton 3, Xavier 9, Providence 11 (play in). Hoyas among 1st four out.
 
Creighton is the biggest game this junior class has ever played. Hope the garden is rocking.

You think we will get 10,000?

There should be no excuse not to.

Student tickets are selling for $10 and there ar plenty of discount offers on the web (Groupon, etc).

Just got an email from MSG-Ticketmaster. $20 off tickets via ticketmaster

code: JOHNNIES

Anxiously awaiting a check to cover the difference that season ticket holders paid..............
 
Creighton is the biggest game this junior class has ever played. Hope the garden is rocking.

You think we will get 10,000?

There should be no excuse not to.

Student tickets are selling for $10 and there ar plenty of discount offers on the web (Groupon, etc).

Just got an email from MSG-Ticketmaster. $20 off tickets via ticketmaster

code: JOHNNIES

Anxiously awaiting a check to cover the difference that season ticket holders paid..............

I just got the email. I should be used to this but still pisses me off to no end. Just once provide something for the season ticket holder besides a car scraper.
 
Creighton is the biggest game this junior class has ever played. Hope the garden is rocking.

You think we will get 10,000?

There should be no excuse not to.

Student tickets are selling for $10 and there ar plenty of discount offers on the web (Groupon, etc).

Just got an email from MSG-Ticketmaster. $20 off tickets via ticketmaster

code: JOHNNIES

Anxiously awaiting a check to cover the difference that season ticket holders paid..............

I hear you, I didnt buy full season but bought a MSG plan and now the $20 off is a kick in the balls. A friend on mine just bought $60 seasts for $49 each(Stubhub) in my section for Sunday also. I guess the joke is on us.
 
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