Any reason for optimism next year?
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[quote="Section3" post=331271][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=331247][quote="Section3" post=331243]Interesting...Nutsy Naclerio tweeted today that Bob Hurley Jr. Will get the SJU job...i’m not advocating or denouncing a coaching change here...and if there is a change I think it would be a case of CM having had enough (don’t think he will be fired)...just interesting coming from him...[/quote]
Naclerio doesn't usually get involved with stuff like this. Definitely interesting.[/quote]
To be clear he responded to a tweet from a Daly dose of Hoops talking up Mark Schmidt. Pretty emphatic too stating it was fact.
Ordinarily take with grain of salt. But, as you say he doesn’t usually get involved in this stuff. Anyway, just interesting coming from him.[/quote]
I’d take that in a heartbeat. I can’t see Hurley staying out west anyway. I’m hoping Naclerio is right. Fingers crossed it’s not a dream.
Naclerio doesn't usually get involved with stuff like this. Definitely interesting.[/quote]
To be clear he responded to a tweet from a Daly dose of Hoops talking up Mark Schmidt. Pretty emphatic too stating it was fact.
Ordinarily take with grain of salt. But, as you say he doesn’t usually get involved in this stuff. Anyway, just interesting coming from him.[/quote]
I’d take that in a heartbeat. I can’t see Hurley staying out west anyway. I’m hoping Naclerio is right. Fingers crossed it’s not a dream.
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[quote="redken" post=331190][quote="Mean Gene" post=331147][quote="redken" post=331055][quote="Mean Gene" post=331019][quote="redken" post=331014][quote="Mean Gene" post=330960]I’m not so sure that next years team will be worse. This years team to me has no balls and as others have said has looked disinterested at times and played like they thought they were better than they were. If our new guys have some fire in their bellies and a real will to win then why can’t we be better. I know they have to improve and develop but I think from a small sample that Williams, Roberts and Earlington have that. If Mack, Steere, Wright , Caraher and Manual have it then I think we can be better. Especially if Heron and Simon come back along with Figgy maybe we have a different type of team. Maybe there’s another Figgy out there that we can pick up. All I know is that sometimes that determination and shear will to win makes all the difference. That’s what I’m hoping our new guys bring and what our Freshman develop into. If that happens we can be better.[/quote]
Gene, first you state that "this team to me has no balls." Then you say that if three of those "ball-less" starters -- Heron, Figueroa, and Simon -- return, we should be a lot better. So, given that we had no bench to speak of, was your "has no balls" comment directed at Ponds and Clark(!), or do you expect the other three to miraculously grow a pair in the off-season?[/quote]
I think that this team has given up at times and I’m not the only one on this board who thinks that. I think for some reason this team has mailed it in at times and I don’t know exactly who what the problem is but it’s the personality that this team has taken on. Ponds has checked out and Clark has tanked. Just look at Mullin’s comments after yesterday’s game. He said that this team needs a break mentally, physically and emotionally. Then he says he thought they needed a break from each other. There’s a problem and unless any of us are in the locker room we will not be able to pinpoint it. But, whatever it is , this team lacks something. To me they have no guts, they don’t have that determination and guile that’s needed to be a consistent winner against better competition. Call it what you will.
As far as the three guys coming back, just as bad habits and attitudes rub off so do good habits and attitudes. If the new guys we have coming in have that will and determination to win at all costs and to leave it out there on the floor every game that will rub off on everyone else on the team. The freshman seem to get after it , I know they are raw and have to develop but It seems that they might have what it takes if they can be properly developed in the offseason. If that happens and the newcomers have a different mindset we can have a different team, a better team because they’ll have all the intangibles that this team for whatever reason is lacking. I don’t know why this team is like this. I will root like hell for them if they make it even to Dayton. But, something is not right somewhere. Hoping the new guys next season whoever they are and the maturation of the freshman can change the personality of this team. Hopefully, one of them has the fire to be a real vocal leader on the floor because our coach is laid back and the rest of the staff seems like that also so it’s going to have to come from the players themselves. So hopefully a few of these new guys can bring that. Just my opinion if that makes sense.[/quote]
For starters, Gene, I know you're a longtime poster and a passionate SJU fan, which I naturally respect. But I think you may have gotten a little carried away with your name-calling, especially with regard to Clark (and Simon, too). But if he and others have "tanked" at times, maybe -- and note I'm not a Mullin basher, although I am disappointed in what he's done or failed to do in his time here --it's because of the ridiculously thin bench Coach has recruited. But "tanking" and "not having balls" are two very different things. And maybe when Mullin says his team needs a break physically and emotionally (more than other teams it would seem), he should take a good, hard look in the mirror and ask: "Where's my bench?" Bottom line: I think we're all frustrated with how things have turned out as poorly as they have. But in this case, "not having balls" needn't enter the equation, certainly not with regard to Clark and (and again, Simon, who played his ass of defensively all season), and unless we have a "new" Mullin next season with a much deeper squad, I don't see why Heron's, Simon's and Figueroa's games will change dramatically.[/quote]
Basically, you and some of the other guys want to blame the inconsistent and disinterested play on the coach and the staff and give the players a total pass. Understood, I respect your opinions, I just think that the players have to shoulder some of the blame also[/quote]
Gene, I've been a Mullin fan going back to his senior year at Xavierian, and I would like nothing better than to see him succeed. But isn't it the coach's responsibility to see that his players are motivated? And isn't it the coach's responsibility to field a team that's deep enough to allow him to give his starters – who’ve been logging major minutes game in, game out-- a physical, mental, or emotional breather when they need it? When your top reserve averages 2.3 ppg (and the other subs averaged 2.1, 2.1, 2.0 & 1.2), and when you choose not to play your frosh any meaningful minutes (or any minutes at all), especially in early games against cupcakes, you're setting up your team to wear down over the long course of bruising conference play. (Note how they ran out of gas and got crushed in the second game of last two BE tourney. Laziness and lack of interest, or fatigue?) Did players lose focus at times? Yes. Did they sometimes make mental or foolish mistakes? Yes ... And I hold them responsible in those cases. But were they gutless or "lacking balls" as you seem to think? I don't think so.[/quote]
Understood Redken and maybe I am being a little too hard on them. But, it’s not like teams with short rosters that had talent haven’t been able to overcome that. The 2016-2017 SMU team with Semi Ojeleye , Ben Moore and Shake Milton played a six man rotation the entire season and they were 30-5 and ranked in the top 15. I also don’t think any of those six guys in the rotation were taller than 6’8. They were challenged height wise also and they still found a way to win 30 games and they didn’t play a soft schedule either. You can fact check this if you want but it’s absolutely true. But I understand your point, Jankovich is a much better coach than Mullin. Like I said, let’s just make it to Dayton and root like hell for our guys. All the best.
Gene, first you state that "this team to me has no balls." Then you say that if three of those "ball-less" starters -- Heron, Figueroa, and Simon -- return, we should be a lot better. So, given that we had no bench to speak of, was your "has no balls" comment directed at Ponds and Clark(!), or do you expect the other three to miraculously grow a pair in the off-season?[/quote]
I think that this team has given up at times and I’m not the only one on this board who thinks that. I think for some reason this team has mailed it in at times and I don’t know exactly who what the problem is but it’s the personality that this team has taken on. Ponds has checked out and Clark has tanked. Just look at Mullin’s comments after yesterday’s game. He said that this team needs a break mentally, physically and emotionally. Then he says he thought they needed a break from each other. There’s a problem and unless any of us are in the locker room we will not be able to pinpoint it. But, whatever it is , this team lacks something. To me they have no guts, they don’t have that determination and guile that’s needed to be a consistent winner against better competition. Call it what you will.
As far as the three guys coming back, just as bad habits and attitudes rub off so do good habits and attitudes. If the new guys we have coming in have that will and determination to win at all costs and to leave it out there on the floor every game that will rub off on everyone else on the team. The freshman seem to get after it , I know they are raw and have to develop but It seems that they might have what it takes if they can be properly developed in the offseason. If that happens and the newcomers have a different mindset we can have a different team, a better team because they’ll have all the intangibles that this team for whatever reason is lacking. I don’t know why this team is like this. I will root like hell for them if they make it even to Dayton. But, something is not right somewhere. Hoping the new guys next season whoever they are and the maturation of the freshman can change the personality of this team. Hopefully, one of them has the fire to be a real vocal leader on the floor because our coach is laid back and the rest of the staff seems like that also so it’s going to have to come from the players themselves. So hopefully a few of these new guys can bring that. Just my opinion if that makes sense.[/quote]
For starters, Gene, I know you're a longtime poster and a passionate SJU fan, which I naturally respect. But I think you may have gotten a little carried away with your name-calling, especially with regard to Clark (and Simon, too). But if he and others have "tanked" at times, maybe -- and note I'm not a Mullin basher, although I am disappointed in what he's done or failed to do in his time here --it's because of the ridiculously thin bench Coach has recruited. But "tanking" and "not having balls" are two very different things. And maybe when Mullin says his team needs a break physically and emotionally (more than other teams it would seem), he should take a good, hard look in the mirror and ask: "Where's my bench?" Bottom line: I think we're all frustrated with how things have turned out as poorly as they have. But in this case, "not having balls" needn't enter the equation, certainly not with regard to Clark and (and again, Simon, who played his ass of defensively all season), and unless we have a "new" Mullin next season with a much deeper squad, I don't see why Heron's, Simon's and Figueroa's games will change dramatically.[/quote]
Basically, you and some of the other guys want to blame the inconsistent and disinterested play on the coach and the staff and give the players a total pass. Understood, I respect your opinions, I just think that the players have to shoulder some of the blame also[/quote]
Gene, I've been a Mullin fan going back to his senior year at Xavierian, and I would like nothing better than to see him succeed. But isn't it the coach's responsibility to see that his players are motivated? And isn't it the coach's responsibility to field a team that's deep enough to allow him to give his starters – who’ve been logging major minutes game in, game out-- a physical, mental, or emotional breather when they need it? When your top reserve averages 2.3 ppg (and the other subs averaged 2.1, 2.1, 2.0 & 1.2), and when you choose not to play your frosh any meaningful minutes (or any minutes at all), especially in early games against cupcakes, you're setting up your team to wear down over the long course of bruising conference play. (Note how they ran out of gas and got crushed in the second game of last two BE tourney. Laziness and lack of interest, or fatigue?) Did players lose focus at times? Yes. Did they sometimes make mental or foolish mistakes? Yes ... And I hold them responsible in those cases. But were they gutless or "lacking balls" as you seem to think? I don't think so.[/quote]
Understood Redken and maybe I am being a little too hard on them. But, it’s not like teams with short rosters that had talent haven’t been able to overcome that. The 2016-2017 SMU team with Semi Ojeleye , Ben Moore and Shake Milton played a six man rotation the entire season and they were 30-5 and ranked in the top 15. I also don’t think any of those six guys in the rotation were taller than 6’8. They were challenged height wise also and they still found a way to win 30 games and they didn’t play a soft schedule either. You can fact check this if you want but it’s absolutely true. But I understand your point, Jankovich is a much better coach than Mullin. Like I said, let’s just make it to Dayton and root like hell for our guys. All the best.
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[quote="Moose" post=331252][quote="Chicago Days" post=331248][quote="Section3" post=331243]Interesting...Nutsy Naclerio tweeted today that Bob Hurley Jr. Will get the SJU job...i’m not advocating or denouncing a coaching change here...and if there is a change I think it would be a case of CM having had enough (don’t think he will be fired)...just interesting coming from him...[/quote]
As you said Section3, unless Mullin resigns he'll be our HC next season and likely in 2020-21 as well.
I am strongly urging changes to the Staff however--like about every other member on the Board!
OT, Iowa State is up by 17 over Kansas with 12mins to go in the game.
But aren't they already in @ 22-11, 9-9 in conference?[/quote]
Tough to say 20-21 is likely. If next year is 5 of 6 then next year would be extension time. Can't go into 20-21 unless he has more than 1 year[/quote]
Either an extension after next year, or wouldn't they buy him out?
Can't coach 20-21 as a lame duck.
As you said Section3, unless Mullin resigns he'll be our HC next season and likely in 2020-21 as well.
I am strongly urging changes to the Staff however--like about every other member on the Board!
OT, Iowa State is up by 17 over Kansas with 12mins to go in the game.
But aren't they already in @ 22-11, 9-9 in conference?[/quote]
Tough to say 20-21 is likely. If next year is 5 of 6 then next year would be extension time. Can't go into 20-21 unless he has more than 1 year[/quote]
Either an extension after next year, or wouldn't they buy him out?
Can't coach 20-21 as a lame duck.
[quote="rawdognyc" post=331200]Lack of intensity or effort falls on the players at this stage. This isn't CYO basketball where you have children playing the game and need the rara from the coach. These are young men and know what the impact of wins and losses are. If they can't get up and bring their "A" game, then that's on them. The part that would fall on the coaches is maybe they recruited the wrong type of players.[/quote]
Rawdog, are you suggesting that the team wasn't interested in beating Marquette and moving on to the semifinals (which would ensure their first trip to the Big Dance)? -- the same players whom you describe as "young men who know the impact of wins are losses are"? Sure, they shot poorly from the start of the Marquette game and maybe they weren't as quick defensively as they'd been against DePaul. Could be they were having an "off" night, but more likely fatigue played a big role in that loss. Then, with the crowd was cheering them on during their second-half comeback when they cut the deficit to six points, they hit the wall -- and when they did, I don't think anyone on the team was thinking, "I'm not pumped up enough tonight to bring my 'A' game anymore. I'll just coast from here on out." The fact is they won a brutally physically game the night before, a game that took its toll on a very thin roster ... and the loss had zero to do with character. As for coaches, yes, they are responsible for motivating their players, and all the great ones do it.
Rawdog, are you suggesting that the team wasn't interested in beating Marquette and moving on to the semifinals (which would ensure their first trip to the Big Dance)? -- the same players whom you describe as "young men who know the impact of wins are losses are"? Sure, they shot poorly from the start of the Marquette game and maybe they weren't as quick defensively as they'd been against DePaul. Could be they were having an "off" night, but more likely fatigue played a big role in that loss. Then, with the crowd was cheering them on during their second-half comeback when they cut the deficit to six points, they hit the wall -- and when they did, I don't think anyone on the team was thinking, "I'm not pumped up enough tonight to bring my 'A' game anymore. I'll just coast from here on out." The fact is they won a brutally physically game the night before, a game that took its toll on a very thin roster ... and the loss had zero to do with character. As for coaches, yes, they are responsible for motivating their players, and all the great ones do it.
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Zion off of 3 weeks out with knee injury, Barrett and Jones all freshmen each averaged between 35-40 minutes playing 3 nights in a row vs Syracuse, NC and Florida St.(winning all 3 games and the tournament) so can we please stop with the fatigue factor for our poor guys in their early 20's playing 2 nights in a row and turning a 6 point deficit into a 32 point deficit in a matter of ten minutes.
We're a rare group, as I think we talk about assistant coaches so often on our respective forums. I'm fully aware of the importance of assistant coaches, but the way and manner we talk about 'em are kinda odd. You don't often see that when you venture over to other boards.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.
[quote="bamafan" post=331331]Zion off of 3 weeks out with knee injury, Barrett and Jones all freshmen each averaged between 35-40 minutes playing 3 nights in a row vs Syracuse, NC and Florida St.(winning all 3 games and the tournament) so can we please stop with the fatigue factor for our poor guys in their early 20's playing 2 nights in a row and turning a 6 point deficit into a 32 point deficit in a matter of ten minutes.[/quote]
Our 1999-2000 Big East Tournament Champion team wasn't deep either, so I agree. This current crop isn't deep either, but I think they still got sufficent breathers from the bench to aide their "tired legs." I believe in "tired legs," but not in the manner a few on here toss it around.
It's like some folks haven't watched us play all season.
Our 1999-2000 Big East Tournament Champion team wasn't deep either, so I agree. This current crop isn't deep either, but I think they still got sufficent breathers from the bench to aide their "tired legs." I believe in "tired legs," but not in the manner a few on here toss it around.
It's like some folks haven't watched us play all season.
[quote="bamafan" post=331331]Zion off of 3 weeks out with knee injury, Barrett and Jones all freshmen each averaged between 35-40 minutes playing 3 nights in a row vs Syracuse, NC and Florida St.(winning all 3 games and the tournament) so can we please stop with the fatigue factor for our poor guys in their early 20's playing 2 nights in a row and turning a 6 point deficit into a 32 point deficit in a matter of ten minutes.[/quote]
bama, maybe our starting five just isn't what it's been cracked up to be, whereas Duke's is ... and then some.
bama, maybe our starting five just isn't what it's been cracked up to be, whereas Duke's is ... and then some.
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[quote="Mean Gene" post=331299] Understood Redken and maybe I am being a little too hard on them. But, it’s not like teams with short rosters that had talent haven’t been able to overcome that. The 2016-2017 SMU team with Semi Ojeleye , Ben Moore and Shake Milton played a six man rotation the entire season and they were 30-5 and ranked in the top 15. I also don’t think any of those six guys in the rotation were taller than 6’8. They were challenged height wise also and they still found a way to win 30 games and they didn’t play a soft schedule either. You can fact check this if you want but it’s absolutely true. But I understand your point, Jankovich is a much better coach than Mullin. Like I said, let’s just make it to Dayton and root like hell for our guys. All the best.[/quote]
No bad feelings. I think we're all frustrated at this point and looking for explanations. Let's hope for better things next year, although ...
No bad feelings. I think we're all frustrated at this point and looking for explanations. Let's hope for better things next year, although ...
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rawdognyc
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[quote="redken" post=331330][quote="rawdognyc" post=331200]Lack of intensity or effort falls on the players at this stage. This isn't CYO basketball where you have children playing the game and need the rara from the coach. These are young men and know what the impact of wins and losses are. If they can't get up and bring their "A" game, then that's on them. The part that would fall on the coaches is maybe they recruited the wrong type of players.[/quote]
Rawdog, are you suggesting that the team wasn't interested in beating Marquette and moving on to the semifinals (which would ensure their first trip to the Big Dance)? -- the same players whom you describe as "young men who know the impact of wins are losses are"? Sure, they shot poorly from the start of the Marquette game and maybe they weren't as quick defensively as they'd been against DePaul. Could be they were having an "off" night, but more likely fatigue played a big role in that loss. Then, with the crowd was cheering them on during their second-half comeback when they cut the deficit to six points, they hit the wall -- and when they did, I don't think anyone on the team was thinking, "I'm not pumped up enough tonight to bring my 'A' game anymore. I'll just coast from here on out." The fact is they won a brutally physically game the night before, a game that took its toll on a very thin roster ... and the loss had zero to do with character. As for coaches, yes, they are responsible for motivating their players, and all the great ones do it.[/quote]
I'm not suggesting that they're not bringing their best every night. I'm going by what the players themselves have stated themselves. Here is a quote from Heron after their second loss to Providence.
“We didn’t play hard. They played harder than us. Similar to the first game and there were the same results."
Marvin Clark has also made similar remarks after losses this year. It's been that way the whole BE season. The games they won you saw the intensity. You saw team ball. The games they lost you saw them going through the motions and guys taking dumb shots and not sharing the ball.
I'm looking forward to change after this season. Hopefully in both staff and players with team first mentality.
Rawdog, are you suggesting that the team wasn't interested in beating Marquette and moving on to the semifinals (which would ensure their first trip to the Big Dance)? -- the same players whom you describe as "young men who know the impact of wins are losses are"? Sure, they shot poorly from the start of the Marquette game and maybe they weren't as quick defensively as they'd been against DePaul. Could be they were having an "off" night, but more likely fatigue played a big role in that loss. Then, with the crowd was cheering them on during their second-half comeback when they cut the deficit to six points, they hit the wall -- and when they did, I don't think anyone on the team was thinking, "I'm not pumped up enough tonight to bring my 'A' game anymore. I'll just coast from here on out." The fact is they won a brutally physically game the night before, a game that took its toll on a very thin roster ... and the loss had zero to do with character. As for coaches, yes, they are responsible for motivating their players, and all the great ones do it.[/quote]
I'm not suggesting that they're not bringing their best every night. I'm going by what the players themselves have stated themselves. Here is a quote from Heron after their second loss to Providence.
“We didn’t play hard. They played harder than us. Similar to the first game and there were the same results."
Marvin Clark has also made similar remarks after losses this year. It's been that way the whole BE season. The games they won you saw the intensity. You saw team ball. The games they lost you saw them going through the motions and guys taking dumb shots and not sharing the ball.
I'm looking forward to change after this season. Hopefully in both staff and players with team first mentality.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=331332]We're a rare group, as I think we talk about assistant coaches so often on our respective forums. I'm fully aware of the importance of assistant coaches, but the way and manner we talk about 'em are kinda odd. You don't often see that when you venture over to other boards.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.[/quote]
It will be interesting for sure as I find it hard to believe that Mullin will walk away from a lot of money or the school will spend the necessary money to buy him out. Basically, Mullin can gamble that the school won’t let him go and he can say f you to any coaching changes.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.[/quote]
It will be interesting for sure as I find it hard to believe that Mullin will walk away from a lot of money or the school will spend the necessary money to buy him out. Basically, Mullin can gamble that the school won’t let him go and he can say f you to any coaching changes.
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=331354][quote="MJDinkins" post=331332]We're a rare group, as I think we talk about assistant coaches so often on our respective forums. I'm fully aware of the importance of assistant coaches, but the way and manner we talk about 'em are kinda odd. You don't often see that when you venture over to other boards.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.[/quote]
It will be interesting for sure as I find it hard to believe that Mullin will walk away from a lot of money or the school will spend the necessary money to buy him out. Basically, Mullin can gamble that the school won’t let him go and he can say f you to any coaching changes.[/quote]
I agree stjohnnie75.
It's complicated.
But I think the way the season ended--and barring even limited success in the NCAA's (which we all root for)--CM has zero leverage in my view to resist necessary changes in the Staff's structure.
You're probably right in that the school lacks the $$$'s to buy out his deal--if there is a buyout--but he'll have to deal with the AD on weak and stressed-out terms, conditions I would think he'll want to avoid.
We shall see but our program has reached an interesting crossroad.
With that being said, Mullin had every opportunity to bring in viable assistant coaches (as, I think we need two or three new assistant coaches), but he balked. Guess what? Time is up! No more free passes to bring in assistant coaches where I stand. Every soul in a suit should be replaced, sans a deep run in the NCAA's (which we may not be a participant) and a late big-time recruit or two ends up with us.
I just find it hard Mullin will part with a couple of his assistant coaches to bring in another batch of coaches. I really do! If anything, his hand may be forced to make changes, and he decides that's not what he wants to do and bows out of his coaching position at St. John's.
The picture will be clearer shortly.[/quote]
It will be interesting for sure as I find it hard to believe that Mullin will walk away from a lot of money or the school will spend the necessary money to buy him out. Basically, Mullin can gamble that the school won’t let him go and he can say f you to any coaching changes.[/quote]
I agree stjohnnie75.
It's complicated.
But I think the way the season ended--and barring even limited success in the NCAA's (which we all root for)--CM has zero leverage in my view to resist necessary changes in the Staff's structure.
You're probably right in that the school lacks the $$$'s to buy out his deal--if there is a buyout--but he'll have to deal with the AD on weak and stressed-out terms, conditions I would think he'll want to avoid.
We shall see but our program has reached an interesting crossroad.
Students who don't study and prepare for tests look stressed too. Sometimes they get by on talent, but can't handle the tougher questions.
If Mullin recruited more consistently and learned how to correct teams previous mistakes in practice, he wouldn't see same issues on game days w/ bad shots, lack of ball movement etc. w/ similar results.
If Mullin recruited more consistently and learned how to correct teams previous mistakes in practice, he wouldn't see same issues on game days w/ bad shots, lack of ball movement etc. w/ similar results.
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I may be wrong, but I never got the impression that Mullin was doing this for the money. He surely was making more as a hall of fame NBA player than he makes today (adjusting for inflation.) And unless he just blew through it all, he’s probably quite comfortable financially. I think there’s zero chance he gets fired. But he may just decide it’s time to walk away gracefully. We’ll see.
Ray Morgan
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[quote="Paultzman" post=331357]Random thought; At times I wonder if Chris enjoys this job or coaching in particular. He looks so stressed and that can take its toll. Of course the salary is nice.[/quote]
The many facets of college coaching require total dedication and immersion, 7 days a week, all year long. Recruiting, scouting, player development, player discipline to name a few. You either love it or it wears on you. I always thought, if he had enough, that Mullin just says his family needs him on the west coast and off he goes. If he needed a little push, next season will be challenging at best and disastrous at worst.
The many facets of college coaching require total dedication and immersion, 7 days a week, all year long. Recruiting, scouting, player development, player discipline to name a few. You either love it or it wears on you. I always thought, if he had enough, that Mullin just says his family needs him on the west coast and off he goes. If he needed a little push, next season will be challenging at best and disastrous at worst.