Amar

[quote="bamafan" post=289719][quote="Class of 72" post=289714][quote="bamafan" post=289702][quote="Paultzman" post=289693]https://sportando.basketball/en/italy/serie-a2-ovest/280147/amar-alibegovic-joins-virtus-roma.html[/quote]
Saw on twitter he signed with the Golden State Warriors, Virtus Roma must be very excited to get a guy who averaged 1.6 points and 1.2 rebounds kind of like when we got Joey De la Rosa. ;) :)[/quote]

Virtus Roma used to be a very good organization in Italian basketball. Although they once played in Serie A's top division they now play in the 2nd division and choose to spend very little on players. It wouldn't surprise me if Amar is earning G league money in very expensive Rome. He is the 2nd St. John's player to be signed by Virtus with the equally underperforming Shelton Jones being the first.[/quote]
Don't put Amar and Sheldon Jones in the same sentence. He may not have fulfilled his potential but IMO he was St. John's Magic Johnson and was misused by Looie.[/quote]

Lou "misused" a lot of players so I agree that was an issue but quite often Shelton was trying to amaze himself and forgetting he had teammates. He was 6'9 but that was the only comparison you could make to Magic.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=289734][quote="bamafan" post=289719][quote="Class of 72" post=289714][quote="bamafan" post=289702][quote="Paultzman" post=289693]https://sportando.basketball/en/italy/serie-a2-ovest/280147/amar-alibegovic-joins-virtus-roma.html[/quote]
Saw on twitter he signed with the Golden State Warriors, Virtus Roma must be very excited to get a guy who averaged 1.6 points and 1.2 rebounds kind of like when we got Joey De la Rosa. ;) :)[/quote

Virtus Roma used to be a very good organization in Italian basketball. Although they once played in Serie A's top division they now play in the 2nd division and choose to spend very little on players. It wouldn't surprise me if Amar is earning G league money in very expensive Rome. He is the 2nd St. John's player to be signed by Virtus with the equally underperforming Shelton Jones being the first.[/quote]
Don't put Amar and Sheldon Jones in the same sentence. He may not have fulfilled his potential but IMO he was St. John's Magic Johnson and was misused by Looie.[/quote]

Lou "misused" a lot of players so I agree that was an issue but quite often Shelton was trying to amaze himself and forgetting he had teammates. He was 6'9 but that was the only comparison you could make to Magic.[/quote]

Averaged 15 and 8 as a junior. Would have had everyone really excited if he was coming here as a grad transfer.
 
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Sorry Class 72 but I am always reading your opinions so here is mine, Shelton was a pleasure to watch and
I never thought of Shelton being all about Shelton.
MJM I feel your pain.
 
[quote="Moon Mullen" post=289738]Sorry Class 72 but I am always reading your opinions so here is mine, Shelton was a pleasure to watch and
I never thought of Shelton being all about Shelton.
MJM I feel your pain.[/quote]

No problem with your opinion Moon. We can point to our Hall of Fame coach or his pursuit of Elander Lewis and Marcus Broadnax to back up Boo Harvey and Michael Porter or even having two slugs like Marco Baldi and Sean Muto backing up an underwhelming Terry Bros but by the time Shelton was a senior he, imo, didn't maximize his natural talent and often underperformed as the star upperclassman which hurt his draft position. The disconnect from his teammates was most evident in Lou Carnessecca's version of last season's Mullin's disastrous January. Jones' team, of which he was team captain, lost 9 of their last 12 games, including a first round loss in the NCAA tournament.
Even though he was drafted in the 2nd round of the NBA Draft he barely played one season and spent the rest of his career either overseas or playing in Podunk, USA.
Shelton was as gifted an athlete that ever played for Lou Carnessecca but he never became a lock down defender like Jayson Williams or the offensive force of Walter Berry. That's my recollection but I love all our former players and wish Shelton had greater success from his senior year onward.
Unfortunately that never happened.
He did wonderful things after his playing career ended which is more important.
 
It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.
 
[quote="redmanwest" post=289755]It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.[/quote]

Shelton played sparingly as a freshman and sophomore due to the veteran talent of those two great teams.
By the time he was a junior he should have been a go to player but would have very average games for the most part. His senior year that Boo Harvey led team was a disaster. Amar rarely got into games or developed under Mullin's system. He barely broke a sweat before being yanked. Shelton played starters minutes so, yes, there is no equivalency.
The only equivalency is that they both ended up playing for the same Italian club. Being that Amar is the better shooter of the two, he may have better success in Europe than Shelton.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=289758][quote="redmanwest" post=289755]It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.[/quote]

Shelton played sparingly as a freshman and sophomore due to the veteran talent of those two great teams.
By the time he was a junior he should have been a go to player but would have very average games for the most part. His senior year that Boo Harvey led team was a disaster. Amar rarely got into games or developed under Mullin's system. He barely broke a sweat before being yanked. Shelton played starters minutes so, yes, there is no equivalency.
The only equivalency is that they both ended up playing for the same Italian club. Being that Amar is the better shooter of the two, he may have better success in Europe than Shelton.[/quote]

Started every game as a Soph.
Played really well off the bench the one Gtown game we won Final 4 year.
Louie didn't play Jackson, Rowan and Jones enough that year.
Jones had a real nice ST John's career.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=289758][quote="redmanwest" post=289755]It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.[/quote]

Shelton played sparingly as a freshman and sophomore due to the veteran talent of those two great teams.
By the time he was a junior he should have been a go to player but would have very average games for the most part. His senior year that Boo Harvey led team was a disaster. Amar rarely got into games or developed under Mullin's system. He barely broke a sweat before being yanked. Shelton played starters minutes so, yes, there is no equivalency.
The only equivalency is that they both ended up playing for the same Italian club. Being that Amar is the better shooter of the two, he may have better success in Europe than Shelton.[/quote]
Amar the better shooter, on what the pistol or rifle range???????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
72, one thing both these guys have in common is that both crossed paths with me off the court after their johnny careers ended. Both were gracious, well grounded people that you enjoy being around.

I think your post brought out some good conversation over these two former players that we appreciated for their four years and that all of us wish well.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=289759][quote="Class of 72" post=289758][quote="redmanwest" post=289755]It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.[/quote]

Shelton played sparingly as a freshman and sophomore due to the veteran talent of those two great teams.
By the time he was a junior he should have been a go to player but would have very average games for the most part. His senior year that Boo Harvey led team was a disaster. Amar rarely got into games or developed under Mullin's system. He barely broke a sweat before being yanked. Shelton played starters minutes so, yes, there is no equivalency.
The only equivalency is that they both ended up playing for the same Italian club. Being that Amar is the better shooter of the two, he may have better success in Europe than Shelton.[/quote]

Started every game as a Soph.
Played really well off the bench the one Gtown game we won Final 4 year.
Louie didn't play Jackson, Rowan and Jones enough that year.
Jones had a real nice ST John's career.[/quote]

You are correct in that he started in his sophomore year as I did not bother to look up his stats for his freshman answer sophomore years. My bad.
I think we expected more than he was able to deliver as the star player after Walter left.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=289763][quote="Class of 72" post=289758][quote="redmanwest" post=289755]It's just the "equally underperforming" that was unfair, IMO. He may have underperformed, but he averaged 11 and 6 for his career I believe. So, there's no equivalency there.[/quote]

Shelton played sparingly as a freshman and sophomore due to the veteran talent of those two great teams.
By the time he was a junior he should have been a go to player but would have very average games for the most part. His senior year that Boo Harvey led team was a disaster. Amar rarely got into games or developed under Mullin's system. He barely broke a sweat before being yanked. Shelton played starters minutes so, yes, there is no equivalency.
The only equivalency is that they both ended up playing for the same Italian club. Being that Amar is the better shooter of the two, he may have better success in Europe than Shelton.[/quote]
Amar the better shooter, on what the pistol or rifle range???????????????????????????????????????????????????[/quote]

I know it sounds crazy!;)
Amar had a good sophomore year and then regressed under Mullin.
We have to remember that Amar exclusively took almost all jump shots where from the 2pt range he was around 50%. Although not the long range bomber we hoped, he took plenty and hit around 30% his sophomore year before being relegated to the dog house by Mullin.
I'm not sure Shelton ever took a shot from 3 point range back in his day and his % was skewed by many a dunk and lay in as he was an excellent rebounder.
 
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