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ADR transferring
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Normally all you have to do is leave out food to attract rats. Too easy for you, but you can be the "judge"
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Mullin had already met with the entire team before his press conference. I'm sure the transfer was based on ADR's likely playing time this year and going forward. Mullin wouldn't let him walk so easily if he had a high ceiling.
Just a thought or two about Adonis. First of all I saw him play at Christ The King as a sophomore and thought he would never develop at all. He was very awkward, grossly overweight, couldn't get any lift off the floor or run and was very slow. Given where he started from, I think it is wrong to say he did not work hard. By the time he was a high school senior he had become a top contributor for back to back city and state NY high school champions. He was a legitimate three star recruit and was pursued by other D-1 programs besides us. I saw him at last year's Jordan Brand Classic Regional game and was shocked by how much he had developed from his sophomore season. Of course he was always going to have to develop further to be a major contributor here, but he also had some unique skillsets that he was bringing to St. John's.
As for his time at St. John's, there had been no transparency, that I am aware of, about the exact nature of his ineligibility. He played only once in an exhibition game and showed me some more of the promise I had seen at the Jordan Brand regional game.
After he became ineligible the thing I noted most was his body language during games. He had the most positive energy of any player while on the bench. He was the first one up off the bench cheering on his teammates, smiling when we were playing well and was always involved in huddles patting people on the back and urging them on.
Some people think we don't get enough local kids to stay home. Well Adonis chose to stay local and was enthused about it. I will miss his presence here and wish him well. Hopefully he will succeed elsewhere. If positive energy count for anything I think he will make something of himself.
I am reposting my comments about Adonis from last year's Jordan Brand Classic Regional game below:
First here are some thoughts on our recent commit Adonis DelaRosa. He is much improved from when I saw him two years ago. He has dropped considerable weight and he is significantly quicker than he was, but two years ago I could not have imagined him playing D1 ball anywhere.
He is definitely a work in progress and has quite a ways to go. He will need to work on his conditioning, primarily running, because he does not get up and down the court well. There were many possessions that he just took the play off and did not bother to run at all. Although he is a big body and takes up quite a bit of space, he is not a defensive presence and will not likely be a shot blocker because he does not jump well.
On the positive side he is physically strong and can push people around in the low box to get where he needs to go in the paint. He knows how to use his body effectively. Once he gets the ball, his footwork is good and he knows how to draw fouls and get to the line. He missed half of his foul shots on four trips to the line going four for eight. He wound up the game with 12 points and 7 boards.
Additionally in half court sets he knew how to play and showed some good basketball IQ. If I had to compare him to a type. It would be a type like Josh Smith of Georgetown formerly of UCLA. He is however nowhere as athletic or talented as Smith. In fact Adonis stood out in this game because he was slower and less athletic than any other player, but also bigger and stronger. He was able to push around Pascal Chukwu a 7' 1" Providence commit on the low blocks easily whenever Adonis wanted the ball down low.
Lastly I got a chance to talk to him for a minute and he seemed like a really nice kid. He was wearing St. John's gear and seemed happy to be staying local. He will be an easy person to root for and although I think it will take some time (a couple of years at least) he could develop into a low post presence for us, especially if we play a system that caters to his strengths.
As for his time at St. John's, there had been no transparency, that I am aware of, about the exact nature of his ineligibility. He played only once in an exhibition game and showed me some more of the promise I had seen at the Jordan Brand regional game.
After he became ineligible the thing I noted most was his body language during games. He had the most positive energy of any player while on the bench. He was the first one up off the bench cheering on his teammates, smiling when we were playing well and was always involved in huddles patting people on the back and urging them on.
Some people think we don't get enough local kids to stay home. Well Adonis chose to stay local and was enthused about it. I will miss his presence here and wish him well. Hopefully he will succeed elsewhere. If positive energy count for anything I think he will make something of himself.
I am reposting my comments about Adonis from last year's Jordan Brand Classic Regional game below:
First here are some thoughts on our recent commit Adonis DelaRosa. He is much improved from when I saw him two years ago. He has dropped considerable weight and he is significantly quicker than he was, but two years ago I could not have imagined him playing D1 ball anywhere.
He is definitely a work in progress and has quite a ways to go. He will need to work on his conditioning, primarily running, because he does not get up and down the court well. There were many possessions that he just took the play off and did not bother to run at all. Although he is a big body and takes up quite a bit of space, he is not a defensive presence and will not likely be a shot blocker because he does not jump well.
On the positive side he is physically strong and can push people around in the low box to get where he needs to go in the paint. He knows how to use his body effectively. Once he gets the ball, his footwork is good and he knows how to draw fouls and get to the line. He missed half of his foul shots on four trips to the line going four for eight. He wound up the game with 12 points and 7 boards.
Additionally in half court sets he knew how to play and showed some good basketball IQ. If I had to compare him to a type. It would be a type like Josh Smith of Georgetown formerly of UCLA. He is however nowhere as athletic or talented as Smith. In fact Adonis stood out in this game because he was slower and less athletic than any other player, but also bigger and stronger. He was able to push around Pascal Chukwu a 7' 1" Providence commit on the low blocks easily whenever Adonis wanted the ball down low.
Lastly I got a chance to talk to him for a minute and he seemed like a really nice kid. He was wearing St. John's gear and seemed happy to be staying local. He will be an easy person to root for and although I think it will take some time (a couple of years at least) he could develop into a low post presence for us, especially if we play a system that caters to his strengths.
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Are you leaving?
Mullin did wear a sweat suit on the Boomer and Carton show
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I'm sure given the chance, someday he will put up 16 points and 12 boards against us.
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I was looking forward to seeing him play, however once I saw how heavy he still was at the end of the season. No way he was going to ever get in playing shape. C'mon big fella you got some talent, don't waste it. Good luck and thanks for choosing the Johnnies.
In terms of his ability, Monte appears to have watched ADR play more than anyone on our staff did, so I trust his opinion, which appears to be unbiased.
In terms of commenting in his weight and shape, that is truly something most of us have some expertise in.
Beast no one wanted ADR to be our version of Josh Smith or Bob Lanier(for us older guys) than I did, but I said all along that I felt that people who had never seen ADR were underestimating just how far he needed to go in order to just be somewhat of a contributor at this level. I watched him a lot in both games and practices while at CTK. The kid worked hard from everything I saw. He did lose a ton of weight in his time at CTK and improved his game. But IMO he was still a far cry from a Big East player when he arrived here. As far as offers from Pitt or Alabama go, I would not put to much credence in that. Most of the people who were close to ADR expected that he would wind up at a lower D1 program, based on both his skills sets and his conditioning/lack of athleticism. But as is usually the case with our fans as it pertains to our recruits, people see and hear what they want to see and hear, and place highly unrealistic expectations on our kids based on whatever arbitrary set of criteria and/or information supports their argument. I wish ADR the best, but he's still got a very long ways to go before he contributes at any level of college ball.
In terms of his ability, Monte appears to have watched ADR play more than anyone on our staff did, so I trust his opinion, which appears to be unbiased.
In terms of commenting in his weight and shape, that is truly something most of us have some expertise in.
Beast no one wanted ADR to be our version of Josh Smith or Bob Lanier(for us older guys) than I did, but I said all along that I felt that people who had never seen ADR were underestimating just how far he needed to go in order to just be somewhat of a contributor at this level. I watched him a lot in both games and practices while at CTK. The kid worked hard from everything I saw. He did lose a ton of weight in his time at CTK and improved his game. But IMO he was still a far cry from a Big East player when he arrived here. As far as offers from Pitt or Alabama go, I would not put to much credence in that. Most of the people who were close to ADR expected that he would wind up at a lower D1 program, based on both his skills sets and his conditioning/lack of athleticism. But as is usually the case with our fans as it pertains to our recruits, people see and hear what they want to see and hear, and place highly unrealistic expectations on our kids based on whatever arbitrary set of criteria and/or information supports their argument. I wish ADR the best, but he's still got a very long ways to go before he contributes at any level of college ball.
Monte, I have seen him play many times with CTK & RENS & differ slightly with you. I do believe he has good hands, passing ability, a soft shot and a feel for the game. I go back to Tom Konchalski's evaluation of him, buried in Adonis thread somewhere. Tom noted he could be a solid BE player, because of the skills noted, but needed to commit himself to getting into basketball shape. John Miciotta, JPM on this site, shared this same view with me during the past year. I consider those guys true experts. Adonis was not a Curtis Johnson or Tom Bayne, two guys really not good enough to play at this level. However, all of this is moot because Adonis chooses not to pay the price, like the Matt Stainbrooks of the world did. As a result, I agree with your bottom line. In his current state he could not be the solid BE center that Tom K envisioned. Too bad!
In terms of his ability, Monte appears to have watched ADR play more than anyone on our staff did, so I trust his opinion, which appears to be unbiased.
In terms of commenting in his weight and shape, that is truly something most of us have some expertise in.
Beast no one wanted ADR to be our version of Josh Smith or Bob Lanier(for us older guys) than I did, but I said all along that I felt that people who had never seen ADR were underestimating just how far he needed to go in order to just be somewhat of a contributor at this level. I watched him a lot in both games and practices while at CTK. The kid worked hard from everything I saw. He did lose a ton of weight in his time at CTK and improved his game. But IMO he was still a far cry from a Big East player when he arrived here. As far as offers from Pitt or Alabama go, I would not put to much credence in that. Most of the people who were close to ADR expected that he would wind up at a lower D1 program, based on both his skills sets and his conditioning/lack of athleticism. But as is usually the case with our fans as it pertains to our recruits, people see and hear what they want to see and hear, and place highly unrealistic expectations on our kids based on whatever arbitrary set of criteria and/or information supports their argument. I wish ADR the best, but he's still got a very long ways to go before he contributes at any level of college ball.
Monte, I have seen him play many times with CTK & RENS & differ slightly with you. I do believe he has good hands, passing ability, a soft shot and a feel for the game. I go back to Tom Konchalski's evaluation of him, buried in Adonis thread somewhere. Tom noted he could be a solid BE player, because of the skills noted, but needed to commit himself to getting into basketball shape. John Miciotta, JPM on this site, shared this same view with me during the past year. I consider those guys true experts. Adonis was not a Curtis Johnson or Tom Bayne, two guys really not good enough to play at this level. However, all of this is moot because Adonis chooses not to pay the price, like the Matt Stainbrooks of the world did. As a result, I agree with your bottom line. In his current state he could not be the solid BE center that Tom K envisioned. Too bad!
Paultz I never disputed his skill sets, which I think are good(not great), and I've posted the same thing a number of times on here as well. I may not be a "true expert", however I've probably watched and played as much basketball as most anyone who is not doing it for a living. Saying "he could be a solid BE center...." is really saying very little. IMO Adonis was not a "one summer of workout away" from being a big east level player, as many thought he was. He was most certainly in no shape to contribute this past season, as many expected. I never compared him to Cujo or TB, both of whom had very limited skills. TB a bit more than Cujo. But make no mistake about it, ADR was and still is a project. Not from a skill set standpoint, but from a conditioning standpoint. At the end of the day, I think we're pretty much all saying the same thing about ADR.
In terms of his ability, Monte appears to have watched ADR play more than anyone on our staff did, so I trust his opinion, which appears to be unbiased.
In terms of commenting in his weight and shape, that is truly something most of us have some expertise in.
Beast no one wanted ADR to be our version of Josh Smith or Bob Lanier(for us older guys) than I did, but I said all along that I felt that people who had never seen ADR were underestimating just how far he needed to go in order to just be somewhat of a contributor at this level. I watched him a lot in both games and practices while at CTK. The kid worked hard from everything I saw. He did lose a ton of weight in his time at CTK and improved his game. But IMO he was still a far cry from a Big East player when he arrived here. As far as offers from Pitt or Alabama go, I would not put to much credence in that. Most of the people who were close to ADR expected that he would wind up at a lower D1 program, based on both his skills sets and his conditioning/lack of athleticism. But as is usually the case with our fans as it pertains to our recruits, people see and hear what they want to see and hear, and place highly unrealistic expectations on our kids based on whatever arbitrary set of criteria and/or information supports their argument. I wish ADR the best, but he's still got a very long ways to go before he contributes at any level of college ball.
Monte, I have seen him play many times with CTK & RENS & differ slightly with you. I do believe he has good hands, passing ability, a soft shot and a feel for the game. I go back to Tom Konchalski's evaluation of him, buried in Adonis thread somewhere. Tom noted he could be a solid BE player, because of the skills noted, but needed to commit himself to getting into basketball shape. John Miciotta, JPM on this site, shared this same view with me during the past year. I consider those guys true experts. Adonis was not a Curtis Johnson or Tom Bayne, two guys really not good enough to play at this level. However, all of this is moot because Adonis chooses not to pay the price, like the Matt Stainbrooks of the world did. As a result, I agree with your bottom line. In his current state he could not be the solid BE center that Tom K envisioned. Too bad!
Paultz I never disputed his skill sets, which I think are good(not great), and I've posted the same thing a number of times on here as well. I may not be a "true expert", however I've probably watched and played as much basketball as most anyone who is not doing it for a living. Saying "he could be a solid BE center...." is really saying very little. IMO Adonis was not a "one summer of workout away" from being a big east level player, as many thought he was. He was most certainly in no shape to contribute this past season, as many expected. I never compared him to Cujo or TB, both of whom had very limited skills. TB a bit more than Cujo. But make no mistake about it, ADR was and still is a project. Not from a skill set standpoint, but from a conditioning standpoint. At the end of the day, I think we're pretty much all saying the same thing about ADR.
I think we are saying same thing Monte. Btw, my reference to experts was not to diminish your knowledge, but presenting views of two guys I respect. I too played hoops all my life, but just thought the opinions of John & Tom were germane to the discussion.
In terms of his ability, Monte appears to have watched ADR play more than anyone on our staff did, so I trust his opinion, which appears to be unbiased.
In terms of commenting in his weight and shape, that is truly something most of us have some expertise in.
Beast no one wanted ADR to be our version of Josh Smith or Bob Lanier(for us older guys) than I did, but I said all along that I felt that people who had never seen ADR were underestimating just how far he needed to go in order to just be somewhat of a contributor at this level. I watched him a lot in both games and practices while at CTK. The kid worked hard from everything I saw. He did lose a ton of weight in his time at CTK and improved his game. But IMO he was still a far cry from a Big East player when he arrived here. As far as offers from Pitt or Alabama go, I would not put to much credence in that. Most of the people who were close to ADR expected that he would wind up at a lower D1 program, based on both his skills sets and his conditioning/lack of athleticism. But as is usually the case with our fans as it pertains to our recruits, people see and hear what they want to see and hear, and place highly unrealistic expectations on our kids based on whatever arbitrary set of criteria and/or information supports their argument. I wish ADR the best, but he's still got a very long ways to go before he contributes at any level of college ball.
Monte, I have seen him play many times with CTK & RENS & differ slightly with you. I do believe he has good hands, passing ability, a soft shot and a feel for the game. I go back to Tom Konchalski's evaluation of him, buried in Adonis thread somewhere. Tom noted he could be a solid BE player, because of the skills noted, but needed to commit himself to getting into basketball shape. John Miciotta, JPM on this site, shared this same view with me during the past year. I consider those guys true experts. Adonis was not a Curtis Johnson or Tom Bayne, two guys really not good enough to play at this level. However, all of this is moot because Adonis chooses not to pay the price, like the Matt Stainbrooks of the world did. As a result, I agree with your bottom line. In his current state he could not be the solid BE center that Tom K envisioned. Too bad!
Paultz I never disputed his skill sets, which I think are good(not great), and I've posted the same thing a number of times on here as well. I may not be a "true expert", however I've probably watched and played as much basketball as most anyone who is not doing it for a living. Saying "he could be a solid BE center...." is really saying very little. IMO Adonis was not a "one summer of workout away" from being a big east level player, as many thought he was. He was most certainly in no shape to contribute this past season, as many expected. I never compared him to Cujo or TB, both of whom had very limited skills. TB a bit more than Cujo. But make no mistake about it, ADR was and still is a project. Not from a skill set standpoint, but from a conditioning standpoint. At the end of the day, I think we're pretty much all saying the same thing about ADR.
I think we are saying same thing Monte. Btw, my reference to experts was not to diminish your knowledge, but presenting views of two guys I respect. I too played hoops all my life, but just thought the opinions of John & Tom were germane to the discussion.
No offense taken Paultz. The reality of it is that I'm just offering an opinion, same as everyone else.
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If true, they should each get the President's medal from SJU.