2nd Creighton Game

We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

I wouldn't bring it up as a criticism, but it seemed strange to me as well. As someone pointed out it doesn't really matter anyway.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

I wouldn't bring it up as a criticism, but it seemed strange to me as well. As someone pointed out it doesn't really matter anyway.

I think people are looking too much in to it. It really isn't that important, as it switches to begin the next half anyway.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

Exactly. As for those who look upon this as an unfathomable blunder by Lavin on the same level as Pete Carroll's goal-line play calling, is it possible, given Creighton's height advantage -- and, as noted above, the general sloppiness by refs in tossing up the ball -- that the coaching staff believed we'd have a better chance of getting the ball, once it was tipped, with Dom -- our longest, quickest guy -- on the perimeter and in a position to grab it? Geez, everyone take a deep breath.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

Relax Jack! We have lost 8 of the last 11 games. There is nothing to celebrate here. While you were lurking on Twitter to see where Nuri was some of us at the game actually noticed the tip and said WTF at that moment. It wasn't as egregious as pulling Felix from red shirt status to start against Georgetown but boneheaded nonetheless. Let me know the first and last time Calipari, Shrewinski or Boeheim use their guard to jump center to concede possession. No competitive coach in his right mind would but Lavin needed to make some statement on national television that impressed only the impressionable.
My boon buddies here make it hard to read this forum after every loss so for the bi-polar here some criticism of Lavin is necessary to keep them on an even keel.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

Okay, even I think that's ridiculous.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

Relax Jack! We have lost 8 of the last 11 games. There is nothing to celebrate here. While you were lurking on Twitter to see where Nuri was some of us at the game actually noticed the tip and said WTF at that moment. It wasn't as egregious as pulling Felix from red shirt status to start against Georgetown but boneheaded nonetheless. Let me know the first and last time Calipari, Shrewinski or Boeheim use their guard to jump center to concede possession. No competitive coach in his right mind would but Lavin needed to make some statement on national television that impressed only the impressionable.
My boon buddies here make it hard to read this forum after every loss so for the bi-polar here some criticism of Lavin is necessary to keep them on an even keel.


Are you really insinuating I didn't watch the game? Sorry if I didn't show up. I've been able to get to one St. John's game this year. It's not my fault.

I noticed the tip, it was strange that he sent Felix out there. But wasting time complaining about it after an 18 point victory? That's just not me. Time to look forward to DePaul. These game threads should die out a few hours after the game anyway.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

I wouldn't bring it up as a criticism, but it seemed strange to me as well. As someone pointed out it doesn't really matter anyway.

I think people are looking too much in to it. It really isn't that important, as it switches to begin the next half anyway.

I guess that it isn't that important to most here pretty much describes who we are. It is the little things we have been conditioned to take for granted. The toss of the ball and its possession may be archaic with alternate possession but until it is abolished it gives the team with the ball the chance to go up 2-0. In Dean Smith's heyday his 4 corner chess game approach could have ment the team could have held the ball for the next 19 minutes before the score was 2-2.
 
We win a game and posters are actually dissecting who Lavin sent out to tip the ball??

This is absurd. A lot of criticism Lavin has received is warranted but this board gets so hard to read sometimes.

Relax Jack! We have lost 8 of the last 11 games. There is nothing to celebrate here. While you were lurking on Twitter to see where Nuri was some of us at the game actually noticed the tip and said WTF at that moment. It wasn't as egregious as pulling Felix from red shirt status to start against Georgetown but boneheaded nonetheless. Let me know the first and last time Calipari, Shrewinski or Boeheim use their guard to jump center to concede possession. No competitive coach in his right mind would but Lavin needed to make some statement on national television that impressed only the impressionable.
My boon buddies here make it hard to read this forum after every loss so for the bi-polar here some criticism of Lavin is necessary to keep them on an even keel.


Are you really insinuating I didn't watch the game? Sorry if I didn't show up. I've been able to get to one St. John's game this year. It's not my fault.

I noticed the tip, it was strange that he sent Felix out there. But wasting time complaining about it after an 18 point victory? That's just not me. Time to look forward to DePaul. These game threads should die out a few hours after the game anyway.

Never insinuated you did not watch the game. You are a big fan. I insinuated you spent time lurking on Twitter to impress us with Nurideen Lindsey's whereabouts to which I implied, who gives a flying Fk? Many here were eager to tar and feather Chris Obekpa for his Metta World technique in sending a message to a Butler player to the point of kicking him off the team while speculating what would be needed to make the Dance. That is self righteousness deserving of lithium. I, on the other hand, being a prck, would have started Chris and saved the embarrassing theatrics of starting Felix yet again to send a bitch slap message to a player as if it placed Lavin on some higher moral ground. Over and out. ;)
 
Who cares who jumped the opening tip? That has got to be the least important event of the game.
 
In the 1957 NCAA championship game Frank McGuire sent his 6 ft guard out for the opening jump ball against Wilt.
 
I remember SJU vs Fordham
G- Charlie Yelverton out jumping 7' C Billy Phillips in MSG
 
In the 1957 NCAA championship game Frank McGuire sent his 6 ft guard out for the opening jump ball against Wilt.

Tommy Kearns was 5'11 and if I recall reading once was for psychological effect since Wilt almost never lost the tip. Rosenbluth, Kearns, Quigg, etc. A Jewish kid and 4 Catholic kids from NYC.
 
I remember SJU vs Fordham
G- Charlie Yelverton out jumping 7' C Billy Phillips in MSG

To the younger fans not familiar with those players it would seem an unusual and unique occurrence but Charlie was a 6'2 center when he was a senior at Rice and was an incredible leaper who routinely jumped center for Fordham. His hops were as great as those of David Thompson of NC ST who, at 6'4 could out jump players 4 inches taller with ease.
As for Billy, he was a friend of mine and had a great sense of humor but he could not jump to save his life. No matter how much pasta was shoved down his throat the kid could never gain a pound and was routinely abused when in a game.
 
I remember SJU vs Fordham
G- Charlie Yelverton out jumping 7' C Billy Phillips in MSG

To the younger fans not familiar with those players it would seem an unusual and unique occurrence but Charlie was a 6'2 center when he was a senior at Rice and was an incredible leaper who routinely jumped center for Fordham. His hops were as great as those of David Thompson of NC ST who, at 6'4 could out jump players 4 inches taller with ease.
As for Billy, he was a friend of mine and had a great sense of humor but he could not jump to save his life. No matter how much pasta was shoved down his throat the kid could never gain a pound and was routinely abused when in a game.

Everyone liked Pizza.
 
Not realy fair because Pointer is having a sensational season but he does not shoot and especially not handle well enough to play in the NBA. His athleticism will not be as dominant a factor as it is at the college level. Could he stick with a team in the right circumstances; sure but he would have to improve those skills significantly to have a meaningful NBA career. A lot of great college players don't sniff the league. I do believe without a doubt he will continue his career somewhere.

Logen, if his handle is not good, how do you explain his Assist to T/O ratio. This guys game is more than athleticism and motor. His strongest attribute is passing. He has excellent court vision, feeds the right guy and bounces it or delivers in in the air in the right spot. And he displayed this since his freshmen year.

Hung up on stats; I agree he has good court vision but I have watched him for 4 years and his handle is very suspect. I'm not here to knock Pointer but if you have watched him play rather than just read stats you would have seen clearly that he is less than smooth handling the ball. The NBA does not draft on stats they draft on watching a player play. If you think he has an NBA handle so be it, we just disagree.

I've mentioned it before but in Dom's particular case I think he is better off not getting drafted and going to tryout for a team that fits what his skill set is and will give him time to learn more and develop. His development in just 1 year I think has been tremendous and if he continues that then I think there is room for him in the nba. I still keep thinking Bruce Bowen type situation albeit different players

I really hope Sir'Dom lands with either San Antonio or Atlanta. Granted you could say this about lots of guys, but I think his game would flourish under Popovich or Budenholz. Almost like a poor man's Kawhi Leonard.
 
Not realy fair because Pointer is having a sensational season but he does not shoot and especially not handle well enough to play in the NBA. His athleticism will not be as dominant a factor as it is at the college level. Could he stick with a team in the right circumstances; sure but he would have to improve those skills significantly to have a meaningful NBA career. A lot of great college players don't sniff the league. I do believe without a doubt he will continue his career somewhere.

Logen, if his handle is not good, how do you explain his Assist to T/O ratio. This guys game is more than athleticism and motor. His strongest attribute is passing. He has excellent court vision, feeds the right guy and bounces it or delivers in in the air in the right spot. And he displayed this since his freshmen year.

Hung up on stats; I agree he has good court vision but I have watched him for 4 years and his handle is very suspect. I'm not here to knock Pointer but if you have watched him play rather than just read stats you would have seen clearly that he is less than smooth handling the ball. The NBA does not draft on stats they draft on watching a player play. If you think he has an NBA handle so be it, we just disagree.

I've mentioned it before but in Dom's particular case I think he is better off not getting drafted and going to tryout for a team that fits what his skill set is and will give him time to learn more and develop. His development in just 1 year I think has been tremendous and if he continues that then I think there is room for him in the nba. I still keep thinking Bruce Bowen type situation albeit different players

I really hope Sir'Dom lands with either San Antonio or Atlanta. Granted you could say this about lots of guys, but I think his game would flourish under Popovich or Budenholz. Almost like a poor man's Kawhi Leonard.

Big improvement but not an NBA player. His very best hope would be to sneak in late second round. The next best hope is to latch on to a D-League team and improve his skills for a year or two. Develop an outside shot, legitimate moves to the hoops, and improve ball handling, and there could be a roster spot for him. right now he has NBA athleticism, but little else of what it takes to stick. Not a criticism of Dom, but a realistic assessment. If we really had all these guys with current and future NBA potential, we'd be a top 10 team.
 
Great win. We finally had one of those games where everything fell. Slightly unfortunate that it came against the worst team in conference at home, but nevertheless we needed this kind of resounding win. Hopefully a confidence builder heading into this difficult stretch of the season.

D'Angelo looked the healthiest he's been in three weeks. Was getting after it on the defensive glass as he was earlier in the season, which is as telling as anything. Needless to say his ability to give us that level or more critical in these last 8 games.

Painful to look at the standings and where we could be with one, let alone two more wins. So far, another season of letting really attainable opportunities slip through the cracks coming back to bite us, with the 0-3 Butler, @DePaul, @Creighton jumping off the page. It's so difficult to make up for that when 1-2 or certainly 2-1 would have us on different trajectories entirely. Hopefully we can do enough to capitalize on the more difficult, but higher reward opportunities on the back half of the schedule.
 
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