24/7’s way-too-early Big East basketball power rankings……

An assessment without any basis in fact, that is subject to change once teams actually play games.

Tier 1
UConn
Marquette

Tier 2
Xavier
Creighton

Tier 3
St. John's
Villanova
Providence

Tier 4
Butler
Seton Hall
Georgetown
DePaul
 
paultzman said:
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That helps Creighton.

UConn lost a ton. They're bringing in a lot, but I don't think they can replicate the well oiled machine from the last couple of years overnight.

Marquette brings back a lot of scoring but will have a huge hole to replace with Kolek departing and Ben Gold has not impressed me yet. Oso was a unique player also, many of his contributions didn't show up in the box score.

Creighton has Kalk and now Ashhworth back but feel very vulnerable to me unless Alexander comes back.

Providence will have both talent and continuity and I think that English probably can coach. We will find out more this year when he's a year removed from the Cooley era and loses Carter to the pros. But getting Hopkins back will help him a lot. For me Year 3 will be the verdict on his coaching but so far so good, I'd bet on him rather than against him (see Neptune, Kyle for the flip side of that coin).

Xavier is going to be very tough this year.

At the other end of the league neither Villanova nor Seton Hall have any players and only one of them has a coach. I think Cooley will find year 2 at Georgetown only a little less frustrating than Year 1. Butler and DePaul will muck around in there somewhere.

Surprised folks have Nova in the middle of the pack. I think they have an excellent chance to finish in the league basement
 
"Pitino has also built a team that should win the shot-volume game every night. St. John's will turn you over, win the rebounding margin and not cough it up. St. John's averaged more than four shots per game more than its opponent last year. That number should be higher in 2024-25.
That math will be mathin'."

Nothing wrong with getting more shots than your opponent. Assuming its not at the expense of shooting for the sake of shooting.
 
If I did this right now, and not including any rumored/unofficial portal additions and/or NBA draft re-additions, I'd say:

Tier 1:
UConn (preseason #1, but I don't think their talent is a tier above others))
Xavier
St. John's
Creighton

Tier 2:
Marquette
Providence
Butler

Tier 3:
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul

Tier 4:
Seton Hall

The talent discrepancy at Seton Hall may really catch up to them this year.
 
dk423 said:
If I did this right now, and not including any rumored/unofficial portal additions and/or NBA draft re-additions, I'd say:

Tier 1:
UConn (preseason #1, but I don't think their talent is a tier above others))
Xavier
St. John's
Creighton

Tier 2:
Marquette
Providence
Butler

Tier 3:
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul

Tier 4:
Seton Hall

The talent discrepancy at Seton Hall may really catch up to them this year.
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Good job for an impossible task.

I think Marquette has the best guard in the league not on SJU, and even with Kolek and Iso leaving, they bring back a ton of quality pieces. Joplin and Mitchell are 25+ minute returning starters and Ross, Jones, and Gold are a solid nucleus of rotation guys who any of which could make a jump. I would have them with the rest in tier 1.

Agree that Uconn on talent alone is not the clear leader in the clubhouse, but I predicted steps back for them in the last two years, so clearly im not the one to listen to about them. There's no one we can't finish ahead of in this years BE.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Good job for an impossible task.

I think Marquette has the best guard in the league not on SJU, and even with Kolek and Iso leaving, they bring back a ton of quality pieces. Joplin and Mitchell are 25+ minute returning starters and Ross, Jones, and Gold are a solid nucleus of rotation guys who any of which could make a jump. I would have them with the rest in tier 1.

Agree that Uconn on talent alone is not the clear leader in the clubhouse, but I predicted steps back for them in the last two years, so clearly im not the one to listen to about them. There's no one we can't finish ahead of in this years BE.
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Marquette is the one team I really wavered on. I think Jones is going to be really awesome. I'm also sure there's a guy we don't know about who will make a leap. I really wouldn't be surprised if they're a team that's preseason ranked #6 and ends up being as a high as #3. I just think I need to see who that 2nd guy is.

The team I'm not crazy about is PC. Just think they may have added depth but unless Hopkins is truly 100%, they're lacking playmaking -- especially at the guard position. Wouldn't be shocked if year two for English is a big disappointment.
 
dk423 said:
Marquette is the one team I really wavered on. I think Jones is going to be really awesome. I'm also sure there's a guy we don't know about who will make a leap. I really wouldn't be surprised if they're a team that's preseason ranked #6 and ends up being as a high as #3. I just think I need to see who that 2nd guy is.

The team I'm not crazy about is PC. Just think they may have added depth but unless Hopkins is truly 100%, they're lacking playmaking -- especially at the guard position. Wouldn't be shocked if year two for English is a big disappointment.
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English has got his work cut out for him. Doing as well as he did last year is only going to keep increasing fans expectations. I like Pierre and think hes a classic BE pg who by the time hes an upperclassmen is a real solid player. Think Jordan Theodore.

I think English did almost as good as he could have done this portal season for a school like providence. Got a bunch of starting caliber guys who will need to get playing together and hope a few become standouts. Not easy of course. Hopkins is definitely the wild card. If hes back to the player he was, a big if, I think they are right there with the rest of top tier.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
English has got his work cut out for him. Doing as well as he did last year is only going to keep increasing fans expectations. I like Pierre and think hes a classic BE pg who by the time hes an upperclassmen is a real solid player. Think Jordan Theodore.

I think English did almost as good as he could have done this portal season for a school like providence. Got a bunch of starting caliber guys who will need to get playing together and hope a few become standouts. Not easy of course. Hopkins is definitely the wild card. If hes back to the player he was, a big if, I think they are right there with the rest of top tier.
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I like Pierre's game a lot actually. Will be interesting to see how he does in a bigger role.

No sources, but as a NJ guy who played at Long Island Lutheran, maybe he's someone we keep an eye on anyway...;)
 
This past uconn team was better then the previous year. And this upcoming uconn team will be better then last years. They are in a tier all by themselves.

Now for the good news, I think St johns can be in that next tier and finish 2nd in the big east and make a nice tourney run.
 
Mullins Revenge said:
This past uconn team was better then the previous year. And this upcoming uconn team will be better then last years. They are in a tier all by themselves.

Now for the good news, I think St johns can be in that next tier and finish 2nd in the big east and make a nice tourney run.
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Agree UConn is undisputed #1 until proven otherwise...

Are you just banking on their continued ascent with Hurley...? cause not sure how you replace Newton... and stay at the same level... not saying they cant win without Newton... just feel they take a step back without him (meaning they only beat teams by 10 instead of 20...
 
bucketshardy said:
Agree UConn is undisputed #1 until proven otherwise...

Are you just banking on their continued ascent with Hurley...? cause not sure how you replace Newton... and stay at the same level... not saying they cant win without Newton... just feel they take a step back without him (meaning they only beat teams by 10 instead of 20...
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They got a stud pg from St Marys to replace newton. They are loaded.
 
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