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Rocket said:
The answer to your first question is NO and YES.
No, enrollment is not necessarily correlated to a school having a winning basketball team. Actual enrollment throughout the United States is more closely related to a school's academic rating. In the end game of college acceptance, kids usually pick the school they perceive as academically elite given their academic resume and goals.
Ergo, that's why while we at St. John's may be New York's Team, a D3 school like NYU owns the application/enrollment crown.
YES, applications can go up but it doesn't translate into elite students who will grow our academic reputation. If St. John's wants to profit from "tuition paying" students all they have to do is recruit more foreign students.😉

YES.....100% donations will increase. But they also increase when academically elite students become successful in "business" and eventually give back to Alma Mater.
Only a fraction of former athletes, many of whom now have little connection to a particular school they may have attended....amongst others......will ever give a dime back to St. John’s. Especially if they were disrespected in their NIL offer.😱

All I know is that most universities, administrators and coaches have expressed disdain for the current system. Players, parents of players, agents and player advocates see it differently.
Select your bias with a grain of salt but beware that the current hypertension, if untreated, will hurt the majority of colleges.....like the Saint Francis of PA of America.
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Villanova is a perfect example of a school where basketball success resulted in increased enrollment and more selective admissions.
When I graduated from high school in 1970 no one considered Nova an academically desirable college. That has changed and at least part of that is a result of capitalizing on the success of the basketball program. That is not even debatable.
 
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NCJohnnie said:
Villanova is a perfect example of a school where basketball success resulted in increased enrollment and more selective admissions.
When I graduated from high school in 1970 no one considered Nova an academically desirable college. That has changed and at least part of that is a result of capitalizing on the success of the basketball program.
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Pretty sure Gonzaga applications skyrocketed at the beginning of their long run.
 
NCJohnnie said:
Villanova is a perfect example of a school where basketball success resulted in increased enrollment and more selective admissions.
When I graduated from high school in 1970 no one considered Nova an academically desirable college. That has changed and at least part of that is a result of capitalizing on the success of the basketball program.
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Villanova was academically good during the period you described. They also were nationally well known for their track and field elite runners.
St. John's back then was as good basketball wise but it did not translate academically because SJ operated under a very provincial and outdated Vincentian model that we broke away from only in the last couple of decades.
 
Rocket said:
Villanova was academically good during the period you described. They also were nationally well known for their track and field elite runners.
St. John's back then was as good basketball wise but it did not translate academically because SJ operated under a very provincial and outdated Vincentian model that we broke away from only in the last couple of decades.
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No they weren’t. I can tell you that when I graduated from a very selective Jesuit high school in 1970 no one would consider going to Nova and that has changed over the past 20 years.
 
Rocket said:
You clearly missed the point of my retort.
If others agree with you they are merely kissing your tuchus as a respected poster....which you are.😉

I objected to your description of St. John's and its representatives (Matt, RP, MR) as being disrespectful in not meeting a player's monetary demands if a player plays the same position after a higher offer to another player. What is it about that that you and the others don't agree with???

If "negotiating" is now considered a disrespectful business tactic you clearly shouldn't express your "equity" concerns in the NIL era.
This is not civil service where all secretaries who type 120 wpm earn a standard rate.
Your position is player-centric and we know your history. That's fine and dandy but I wouldn't want you on the St, John's side of the bargaining table
That is what I "understand" about positions you take. 😉
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More words even less sense. You have totally misunderstood my point. Your attempt to put down those who may agree with me shows your desperation to be right.

We disagree, it ain't the end of the world. I hope you are having a wonderful Easter.
 
After retiring, I worked in the college admissions field for 10 years. I can vividly recall a conversation that I had on a Sunday morning with an admissions representative from the University of Michigan. They had beaten Notre Dame in football the previous day. The rep told me that, based upon historical data, the application rate to Michigan that year would increase by at least 15% solely because of the success of the football team. Heck, the son of one of my best friends told me that he went to the University of Indiana because Bobby Knight was the basketball coach there.

There is no doubt in my mind that schools with highly successful football and/or basketball programs see increased application rates. Lots of kids want to attend big time football and basketball games and get involved in all of the related activities (ie: pep rallies, bonfires, etc). No different than kids who are strong academic students, could care less about athletics, and want to attend a school that will challenge them intellectually. Everybody has a reason why they decide to attend the school that they ultimately select and, for many kids, athletics plays a major role.

Did the success and excitement surrounding the basketball program helped motivate me to want to attend St John's? You bet it did and I am not at all ashamed to say so. It turned out to be a great decision for me both personally and professionally and fueled a love for St John's basketball that has lasted 60 years and counting.
 
NCJohnnie said:
No they weren’t. I can tell you that when I graduated from a very selective Jesuit high school in 1970 no one would consider going to Nova and that has changed over the past 20 years.
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I said they were "good" academically. I didn't say they were UPenn.
I had a old friend who went there on a track scholarship in 1968. He was a straight A student and in the seventies they made great strides to become a very popular regional powerhouse for a small school.
I remember the great Jack Kraft teams with Howard Porter and Chris Ford.

My friend was coached by the great
Jumbo Elliott whose teams won 16 consecutive distance medley relays at the Penn Relays.
Jumbo coached great runners like Dave Patrick, Marty Liquori, John Hartnett, Eamonn Coghlan, Don Paige, and Sidney Maree to anchor his foursomes.

NYU wasn't the NYU of today either but, as I said, they grew their academic brand during a time St. John's stagnated and we haven't caught up yet.

That's just the facts Jack.😉
 
Please stay on target , this thread is about the portal not grievances about SJUs academic standing , lack thereof, not keeping up with the times . Etc.
future unrelated posts will be deleted.
 
panther2 said:
More words even less sense. You have totally misunderstood my point. Your attempt to put down those who may agree with me shows your desperation to be right.

We disagree, it ain't the end of the world. I hope you are having a wonderful Easter.
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Blessed Easter to you and your family also!

Sterling, please understand that I don't need to be right on this NIL business model.
Our mutual friend Matt A has had to adapt in his current role also. Let's just say my donations to the school goes beyond basketball and transient basketball players are no longer a priority but those of the school as a whole.
 
redmannorth said:
Please stay on target , this thread is about the portal not grievances about SJUs academic standing , lack thereof, not keeping up with the times . Etc.
future unrelated posts will be deleted.
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Apologies RMN. It was a slow Portal weekend and our senior moments led us to go off track and reminisce out of boredom.😉🙃
 
Treysen Eaglestaff (North Dakota transfer) who originally committed to South Carolina is now going to West Virginia.
 
Rocket said:
Villanova was academically good during the period you described. They also were nationally well known for their track and field elite runners.
St. John's back then was as good basketball wise but it did not translate academically because SJ operated under a very provincial and outdated Vincentian model that we broke away from only in the last couple of decades.
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I was at Villanova last Monday for a campus tour with my son. They have a lot to be proud of and they've made huge improvements and upgrades over the past 20 years. Our campus tour guide, a current senior from New Orleans, pointed out several things that "basketball money" built, he was very candid about it. A lot of Villanova pride and school spirit on campus - at least that's the vibe we got. He also said that they are probably the least religious of any Catholic college. That could just be his opinion - not sure? Funny note, as we crossed over the pedestrian bridge from the parking lot to the campus, my son said "we are officially in enemy territory."
 
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