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Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
 
Mods can move this wherever. This is just to see what the four guys we have coming in bring, compared to the top 4 we had leave.

Coming 
Backcourt 
-8.3 pt 2.8 rb 1 ast .7 st 38/30/57% 
-13.6 pt 3.1 rb 1.6 ast .6 st 40/36/83%

Front court
-10.4 pt 9.2 rb 1 ast .8 bl 55/NA/56%
-3.9 pt 4.4 rbs 1 ast .5 bl 39/27/57% 

 Going 
Backcourt 
-9.4 pt 2.9 rb 4 ast 1.4 st 41/16/69%
-9.5 pt 2.1 rb 2.1 ast 1.3st 46/45/73%

Front court
9.2 pt 4.8 rb 1 ast .7 blk 58/27/77%
6.6 pt 4.1 rb. 1 ast .3 blk 42/40/57%

- Obviously our uptempo style and pressure D can lead to more points, assists, stls etc.. so the raw numbers aren’t perfect, but it should also equate to less efficiency shooting the basketball. So while I am looking forward to all 4 newcomers and think some of them are definite upgrades to the roster, we are looking at a worse shooting team headed into next year. Both from the field and maybe more importantly the FT line. Can that be made up for in other areas?  Absolutely. . 
 
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cappy105 post=432256 said:
Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
He does play the SF spot.

I think you guys are getting what I'm saying confused.  CMA's lineup doesn't play PG, SG, SF, PF, C.... He plays G, G, G, F, F.  The 4 spot in this system is basically the SF.  CMA doesn't play a traditional 2 big man lineup with a PF and Center he plays a PF or a Center.  With his system there's a lot of full court pressing and switching almost everything so it doesn't work well with 2 bigger slower guys out there so that's why he usually has 1 big man and 1 (what he refers to as quick forward) as his two forward positions.  

I wish I could find the press conference when he was at Arkansas where he was explaining his lineups and what he likes to do, so you guys could see what I was talking about.  Because I think you guys are thinking I'm saying Champ is a PF, which is not what I'm saying at all.
 
Making Plays post=432275 said:
cappy105 post=432256 said:
Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
He does play the SF spot.

I think you guys are getting what I'm saying confused.  CMA's lineup doesn't play PG, SG, SF, PF, C.... He plays G, G, G, F, F.  The 4 spot in this system is basically the SF.  CMA doesn't play a traditional 2 big man lineup with a PF and Center he plays a PF or a Center.  With his system there's a lot of full court pressing and switching almost everything so it doesn't work well with 2 bigger slower guys out there so that's why he usually has 1 big man and 1 (what he refers to as quick forward) as his two forward positions.  

I wish I could find the press conference when he was at Arkansas where he was explaining his lineups and what he likes to do, so you guys could see what I was talking about.  Because I think you guys are thinking I'm saying Champ is a PF, which is not what I'm saying at all.
This is not about playing the 1,2,3 or whatever.  Its about Champ's skill set, I believe he needs to work on his lateral quickness, ball handling and creating his own shot.  Right now, don't think it's at a level where he can make it in the NBA.  That said, if he does come back, I'm sure that is a focus how he can continue to improve and showcase those improvements under CMA's system.
 
Money post=432290 said:
Making Plays post=432275 said:
cappy105 post=432256 said:
Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
He does play the SF spot.

I think you guys are getting what I'm saying confused.  CMA's lineup doesn't play PG, SG, SF, PF, C.... He plays G, G, G, F, F.  The 4 spot in this system is basically the SF.  CMA doesn't play a traditional 2 big man lineup with a PF and Center he plays a PF or a Center.  With his system there's a lot of full court pressing and switching almost everything so it doesn't work well with 2 bigger slower guys out there so that's why he usually has 1 big man and 1 (what he refers to as quick forward) as his two forward positions.  

I wish I could find the press conference when he was at Arkansas where he was explaining his lineups and what he likes to do, so you guys could see what I was talking about.  Because I think you guys are thinking I'm saying Champ is a PF, which is not what I'm saying at all.
This is not about playing the 1,2,3 or whatever.  Its about Champ's skill set, I believe he needs to work on his lateral quickness, ball handling and creating his own shot.  Right now, don't think it's at a level where he can make it in the NBA.  That said, if he does come back, I'm sure that is a focus how he can continue to improve and showcase those improvements under CMA's system.
Not sure what you're talking about but my reply was to cappy, who was saying Champ needs to play SF, I was telling him he already is playing SF here.
 
Making Plays post=432293 said:
Money post=432290 said:
Making Plays post=432275 said:
cappy105 post=432256 said:
Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
He does play the SF spot.

I think you guys are getting what I'm saying confused.  CMA's lineup doesn't play PG, SG, SF, PF, C.... He plays G, G, G, F, F.  The 4 spot in this system is basically the SF.  CMA doesn't play a traditional 2 big man lineup with a PF and Center he plays a PF or a Center.  With his system there's a lot of full court pressing and switching almost everything so it doesn't work well with 2 bigger slower guys out there so that's why he usually has 1 big man and 1 (what he refers to as quick forward) as his two forward positions.  

I wish I could find the press conference when he was at Arkansas where he was explaining his lineups and what he likes to do, so you guys could see what I was talking about.  Because I think you guys are thinking I'm saying Champ is a PF, which is not what I'm saying at all.
This is not about playing the 1,2,3 or whatever.  Its about Champ's skill set, I believe he needs to work on his lateral quickness, ball handling and creating his own shot.  Right now, don't think it's at a level where he can make it in the NBA.  That said, if he does come back, I'm sure that is a focus how he can continue to improve and showcase those improvements under CMA's system.
Not sure what you're talking about but my reply was to cappy, who was saying Champ needs to play SF, I was telling him he already is playing SF here.
Not arguing with you on what you said, just used your post to respond to the SF, PF argument!  Most of last season, SJ played with no post presence, no one played with back to the basket.  In essence you had 5 guys playing perimeter basketball, at which point it makes it moot wether you are playing the 1, 2, 3, etc.  Point being Champ is not a back to the basked player, hence has to improve his one-on-one offensive ability or else he'll have a very hard time making the next level.
 
Money post=432315 said:
Making Plays post=432293 said:
Money post=432290 said:
Making Plays post=432275 said:
cappy105 post=432256 said:
Agree, If Champ really wants to play in NBA he needs to play and dominate the SF spot. No way he plays the 4 in the league. So, with our current roster and if Champ comes back to perfect skills ( shot is there ) which will probably be foot speed and defense ( my guess ) he'll come back and play the 3.
He does play the SF spot.

I think you guys are getting what I'm saying confused.  CMA's lineup doesn't play PG, SG, SF, PF, C.... He plays G, G, G, F, F.  The 4 spot in this system is basically the SF.  CMA doesn't play a traditional 2 big man lineup with a PF and Center he plays a PF or a Center.  With his system there's a lot of full court pressing and switching almost everything so it doesn't work well with 2 bigger slower guys out there so that's why he usually has 1 big man and 1 (what he refers to as quick forward) as his two forward positions.  

I wish I could find the press conference when he was at Arkansas where he was explaining his lineups and what he likes to do, so you guys could see what I was talking about.  Because I think you guys are thinking I'm saying Champ is a PF, which is not what I'm saying at all.
This is not about playing the 1,2,3 or whatever.  Its about Champ's skill set, I believe he needs to work on his lateral quickness, ball handling and creating his own shot.  Right now, don't think it's at a level where he can make it in the NBA.  That said, if he does come back, I'm sure that is a focus how he can continue to improve and showcase those improvements under CMA's system.
Not sure what you're talking about but my reply was to cappy, who was saying Champ needs to play SF, I was telling him he already is playing SF here.
Not arguing with you on what you said, just used your post to respond to the SF, PF argument!  Most of last season, SJ played with no post presence, no one played with back to the basket.  In essence you had 5 guys playing perimeter basketball, at which point it makes it moot wether you are playing the 1, 2, 3, etc.  Point being Champ is not a back to the basked player, hence has to improve his one-on-one offensive ability or else he'll have a very hard time making the next level.
Ah ok gotcha.
 
austour post=432363 said:
Making Plays post=432211 said:
Remember how Arkansas fans wanted Portis to start at the 4 with Kingsley at the 5? 


 
Umm.  Nope.  ;)
Really need to broaden your horizons, it was common knowledge all around Fayetteville.
 
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bamafan post=432376 said:
austour post=432363 said:
Making Plays post=432211 said:
Remember how Arkansas fans wanted Portis to start at the 4 with Kingsley at the 5? 


 
Umm.  Nope.  ;)
Really near to broaden your horizons, it was common knowledge all around Fayetteville.
haha, I try hard not to mix too much Arkansas talk.  Clearly didn't work for me in this thread :p
 
No idea who is going to start, but I do know that Posh, Stef Smith and Penny need to be in the game if they have a lead in the last 5 minutes. It's going to be hack a Shag time if foul trouble leaves us with 3 players on the court that were in the 60% range from the line last season.  Another shooter is the biggest need  right now.. Penny is going to get a lot of attention, and another 3 point threat will help open up the court.
 
Vince Cole is going to be a dynamic scorer. 
Toro is going to give us valuable minutes inside. 
Wusu will ride the pine. 

Shows you where prognosticating individual players will leave you. 

Outside of Julian and Posh, everything is a question mark. 
 
MainMan post=432618 said:
Vince Cole is going to be a dynamic scorer. 
Toro is going to give us valuable minutes inside. 
Wusu will ride the pine. 

Shows you where prognosticating individual players will leave you. 

Outside of Julian and Posh, everything is a question mark. 

uhh mathis gave Rutgers 8.3 PPG and he had a terrible year they said, I will take 8 points from him a game in a heartbeat. Wheeler averaged around 5 on Purdue in a slower system. These guys have proved it before lol. In a major conference. 
 
 
usguard post=432612 said:
Agree WUSU is not a pg we need another really good shooting player
 

I continue to believe that Wusu is (still) underestimated around here.  He is not a finished product by any means.  But notwithstanding that he handles the ball pretty well, is a good distributor, has confidence in his shot and his form looks fine, can obviously get to the rim, can rebound, and does not get intimidated or rattled in big spots.  In short he has at least the beginnings of every tool you could want in a player, and the mental makeup to go with it.  Does he need to lose some weight, be more consistent with his shot, learn how to control his body and work the refs, etc?  Sure.  But I have absolutely no reason to believe that isn't going to happen.

I am looking forward to seeing what kind of jump he makes this year.  I also think that the addition of Mathis may very well help his development.
 
usguard post=432612 said:
Agree WUSU is not a pg we need another really good shooting player

 

I continue to believe that Wusu is (still) underestimated around here.  He is not a finished product by any means.  But notwithstanding that he handles the ball pretty well, is a good distributor, has confidence in his shot and his form looks fine, can obviously get to the rim, can rebound, and does not get intimidated or rattled in big spots.  In short he has at least the beginnings of every tool you could want in a player, and the mental makeup to go with it.  Does he need to lose some weight, be more consistent with his shot, learn how to control his body and work the refs, etc?  Sure.  But I have absolutely no reason to believe that isn't going to happen.

I am looking forward to seeing what kind of jump he makes this year.  I also think that the addition of Mathis may very well help his development.
 
MainMan post=432618 said:
Vince Cole is going to be a dynamic scorer. 
Toro is going to give us valuable minutes inside. 
Wusu will ride the pine. 

Shows you where prognosticating individual players will leave you. 


 
I think that was pretty much my pre-season assessment.  All this speculation, particularly about what Montez Mathis will provide is absolutely meaningless.  I trust CMA and staff to figure it all out.
 
mm52 post=432754 said:
MainMan post=432618 said:
Vince Cole is going to be a dynamic scorer. 
Toro is going to give us valuable minutes inside. 
Wusu will ride the pine. 

Shows you where prognosticating individual players will leave you. 



 
I think that was pretty much my pre-season assessment.  All this speculation, particularly about what Montez Mathis will provide is absolutely meaningless.  I trust CMA and staff to figure it all out.
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This is what we do in the off season.....speculate.

 
 
lawmanfan post=432643 said:
usguard post=432612 said:
Agree WUSU is not a pg we need another really good shooting player

 

I continue to believe that Wusu is (still) underestimated around here.  He is not a finished product by any means.  But notwithstanding that he handles the ball pretty well, is a good distributor, has confidence in his shot and his form looks fine, can obviously get to the rim, can rebound, and does not get intimidated or rattled in big spots.  In short he has at least the beginnings of every tool you could want in a player, and the mental makeup to go with it.  Does he need to lose some weight, be more consistent with his shot, learn how to control his body and work the refs, etc?  Sure.  But I have absolutely no reason to believe that isn't going to happen.

I am looking forward to seeing what kind of jump he makes this year.  I also think that the addition of Mathis may very well help his development.

I agree that Wusu had a nice freshman year and exceeded expectations.  To your point, he has a lot of potential.  But, it's hard to say he has been underestimated on this board.  I think a majority of posters have been extremely optimistic about his future. 
 
What excites me most about 2021-2022 season is the level of competition we have at every position. Obviously, Penny and Posh can be penciled in to start, but man think about the battles and matchups that will happen in practice! Hopefully, this level of competition translates to development for some of the younger guys.
 
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