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[quote="panther2" post=397053][quote="Paultzman" post=397050]The Milwaukee Bucks have decided to boycott Game 5, source tells ESPN.

The Bucks players made this decision in the wake of the Jacob Blake shooting in Wisconsin, ultimately deciding that they wouldn't leave the locker room for the start of Game 5 against Orlando.

Per WoJ[/quote]



Now they are saying that all of tonight's games will be canceled. Powerful statement.[/quote]

No, with all due respect, it is not a powerful statement, it is political pandering. When ALL black lives matter, then black lives matter. Those aborted, those killed in drive byes, those killed by random shootings, drug turf wars, etc. Let me see LeBron, etc. lead a march through inner city Chicago calling for an end to ALL VIOLENCE and I will call it a powerful statement stating that black lives matter. Until then it is just another move by the left to gain political power.
 
[quote="Logen" post=397080][quote="panther2" post=397053][quote="Paultzman" post=397050]The Milwaukee Bucks have decided to boycott Game 5, source tells ESPN.

The Bucks players made this decision in the wake of the Jacob Blake shooting in Wisconsin, ultimately deciding that they wouldn't leave the locker room for the start of Game 5 against Orlando.

Per WoJ[/quote]



Now they are saying that all of tonight's games will be canceled. Powerful statement.[/quote]

No, with all due respect, it is not a powerful statement, it is political pandering. When ALL black lives matter, then black lives matter. Those aborted, those killed in drive byes, those killed by random shootings, drug turf wars, etc. Let me see LeBron, etc. lead a march through inner city Chicago calling for an end to ALL VIOLENCE and I will call it a powerful statement stating that black lives matter. Until then it is just another move by the left to gain political power.[/quote]



I agree that we as Blacks living in America, have to do a better job of stopping gang violence in our own communities. There are many things that we can improve and we need the assistance of the Police to help fix some of them.

However, that does not negate the fact that a few of the police officers who are sworn to protect our communities, have killed Black men. When you watch videos of the George Floyd and Jacob Blake killings, you wonder how we have arrived at this point in our society.

What really got my attention was how a 17 year old tRump supporting White male, traveled from Illinois to Wisconsin with an AR 15. Once there, he shot 3 protestors, killing two. When he was finished, he literally walked by police officers with the gun in plain sight. He even waved at them. Imagine what would have happened if this had been a 17 year old Black youth.

My community is far from perfect, but that does not give you or anyone else to make broad statements painting us all with the same brush. For your information, there are groups within the Black community, dealing with the issues that you have raised. I guess you were not included in the email.

As for Lebron, he has financed a school in Akron and promised to pay the college tuition of those who graduate. He is giving back to his community. Why you find it so easy to disparage him is beyond ridiculous.

It has become clear to me that some Whites only view Black athletes as entertainers trotted out for their pleasure. There is also a kind of jealousy at the insane salaries they are paid. The mindset being, "you are being paid to play, so that is what "we" expect you to do".

Y'all did not listen when Kap took a knee four years ago. Quite the opposite, he was maligned and blackballed. Now you have a whole group of Black and White athletes taking a stand together and some of y'all are mad.

I can remember when it was said that Blacks were not intelligent enough to play Quarterback in college or the NFL. Now some of the best Quarterbacks are Black. Did these young Black men become intelligent overnight, or was this just a pretense used to keep the most important position on the field White?

All bullshit aside, some of y'all are probably mad because the sports that are the most popular, football and basketball, are dominated by Blacks. Just a lil something to think about.
 
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I'd rather not comment on this, but will anyway.

I don't think this is a "powerful statement". Honestly, professional sports , now more than ever, is only being followed by sharply focused fans of that sport, not by the public at large. As the casual NBA fan who is playing in the playoffs, which teams are favored, who the stars of each team are, and I would guess few would know. Throw in a Covid "we need money" season, and frankly even fans don't care.

After the Bucks canceled their game, other professional teams and sports joined in, not in solidarity, but for fears of having an angry mob point their attention and fingers towards them. What does cancelling a game or even season mean? Will it result in less black men being shot by cops, less poverty in black neighborhoods, less crime, better educational outcomes? No, of course not. You'd have to connect an awful lot of dots to see how now playing a basketball game will do those things. You'd much more reliably look at the summer sky at night, and connect the dots to find Cassiopeia.

As Panther pointed out only a few days ago, and I agree, our perspective of the world and country are shaped by where we see it from. Look at El Capitan from 2 miles away and it looks like a big boulder, not the massive edifice it is. Look at it from its base and you don't understand how massive it is.

Understandably, any black person has reasonable fear when getting stopped by a cop. 13 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019. However 48 law officers killed also in 2019. I would imagine their heightened concerns are also justifiable when you consider the violence in primarily black neighborhoods..

Consider that the national outrage over those 13 deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of police in 2019, and those that occurred this year, and compare it to Chicago. In Chicago alone, in the first 6 months of this year, there have been 440 homicides and 2200 shootings!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon man!

Class of 72 posted a summary, that I won't dissect, but there are often realities that are ignored. Blake was armed with a knife, and we may or may not know precisely how that figured into the shooting, but there is a very good chance it contributed to it. Lest we minmize knife vs. gun, once someone is intent of getting or using the knife, armed or not, a cop is in a life threatening situation. People will talk about 7 shots, and some morons will say, "Why not shoot him in the hand to disable him?" I think it takes about 1.5 seconds to fire 7 shots, and once deadly force is used in a life threatening situation, it is not feasible to shoot to disarm.

The thread will be locked and rightfully so according to policy.

I don't even care one way or another about seasons shutting down or suspended over this. I DO care about how disingenuous protests, violent or not, really are, when there is no substantive change behind it. It isn't all about educating police either. With 2200 shooting in Chicago alone, violent rioting, vandalism and looting in many major cities, defunding the police to punish them is just about the most idiotic thing anyone could suggest. How about stiffening laws for even possession of an unlicensed firearm where mandatory sentences are required even when a felonious crime is not committed? How about doubling sentences without bail when a gun is used in the commission of a crime?

Instead , we have violent offenders charged with assault or more, of any race, who are released with bail in NYS. Hilariously, there are reported instances of these guys being released and committing more violent crimes the very same day. We have rhetoric calling protests "peaceful" even when cars are burned, mobs stalk homes in the middle of the night shouting obscenities, threatening murder, where stores are vandalized and looted, where those opposing mob rule are violently beaten or killed. In no instance have I seen the peaceful protesters stop the violence when a store owner, property owner, or someone who simply shouted an opposing view was being violently beaten of worse.

We are in sad, sad times. Win lose or draw, all the protests and violence will end in November. You can pretty much bet on it.

Suspend game? Seasons? Disband these leagues where athletes are trotted out for our amusement? Sure, fine, go ahead. I really don't care.

Ending all murder and oppression of innocent people of all colors and professions, especially people of color. I'm all in for that. It's not simply a one way street, and until we acknowledge that, ZERO will change.

The stats from FBI database:

[URL]https://www.fbi.gov/news/press...forcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty[/URL]
 
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When people of color talk about inequality in policing they don't mention the right or the left. That only enters the discussion when people who get their news filtered through organizations with political agendas regurgitate what they heard (left and right). There's no need to talk about national politics in these communities because it's a local, immediate and personal issue. Just something to think about. The discussion is very different than the one occurring on this board right now. If you're relying on racial stereotypes and generalizations about minority neighborhoods that were popularized for political purposes in the 70/s/80/s & 90's I encourage you to look at the large amount of more, recent, available research (hard, real numbers) from academic institutes that are universally respected that very clearly point to crime being socio-economic. Poor whites commit crimes at the same rate as poor blacks. That's not an opinion. I know nothing I say from my own point of view will be received well by those who disagree and I know any research posted will be accused of being "partisan" in one way or another. So with that being said here's what Wikipedia (which I sadly think is the least divisive source now) has to say about race and criminal justice in this country:

Research indicates that there is extensive racial and ethnic discrimination by police and the judicial system.[7][8][9][10] A substantial academic literature has compared police searches (showing that contraband is found at higher rates in whites who are stopped), bail decisions (showing that whites with the same bail decision as blacks commit more pre-trial violations), and sentencing (showing that blacks are more harshly sentenced by juries and judges than whites when the underlying facts and circumstances of the cases are similar), providing valid causal inferences of racial discrimination.[11][12][13][14] Studies have documented patterns of racial discrimination, as well as patterns of police brutality and disregard for the constitutional rights of African-Americans, by police departments in various American cities, including Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Philadelphia.[15][16][17][18][19]
 
Just to recap the thread before it gets closed:

- One side thinks cops are predisposed to violence against minorities at a higher rate than whites, which is statistically provable.

They want that to stop and are fine with black athletes using their leverage to help move the needle on that issue.

- The other side thinks its just fine to shoot an unarmed black guy in the back 7 times who legally has a knife in his car (not on him, and told them it was there) or has a record, once the police determine his intent to use that knife (that's in his car) or they feel threatened.

They also feel black athletes should focus on eliminating abortion and gang violence before they worry about cops shooting or killing unarmed (if not completely "innocent") black people.

Oh, and they feel that the black athletes and black communities rage about these injustices (real or perceived) is manufactured for political purposes on the left.


Yeah, we've made tons of progress since the civil war...

Ok...time to close this thread
 
[quote="P Simmons" post=397048][quote="Moose" post=397046][quote="P Simmons" post=397045]The Big East can logistically figure out a way to make a bubble work. The real issue is who is going to watch? The NBA ratings are tanking and the NCAA is at risk of getting dragged down with it.[/quote]

NBA ratings being down a bit flawed. Other sports like MLB, NHL and soccer are up as well. Fans still want to see sports. There are no new entertainment programs because of Covid either.[/quote]

The NBA has become politically charged in a way that NHL, soccer and MLB have not.[/quote]

I do believe that at some point, those leagues, except maybe for the NHL, will take a stand on issues facing us. And if that means becoming politically charged, so be it. Right now, or as of July 31, the NBA players are taking a stand which the majority of Americans agree with.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/63-...nition-discrimination-jumps/story?id=71779435
 
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