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Harrington should be proud of the academic legacy he left at St.John's as .... tied with Adelphi University...... two places behind New Jersey Tech.
 
Sadly, behind most Big East Schools both present and past.
However ahead of most Florida schools. including
USF, Florida Atlantic, Florida A&M, Florida International, Central Florida, and FIT.
 

Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.
 
Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Beast... it is also telling that St. John's alums do not send their children to attend St.John's.
 
Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Beast... it is also telling that St. John's alums do not send their children to attend St.John's.

There's a legitimate reason for that beyond the relative demise of the school.

Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

In my case, the only local schools we are considering for my son are Fordham and NYU. He will not apply to SJU, even as a safety school
 

Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Fordham has an average alumni giving rate of 23%, according to US News, by way of comparison
 
Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Beast... it is also telling that St. John's alums do not send their children to attend St.John's.

There's a legitimate reason for that beyond the relative demise of the school.

Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

In my case, the only local schools we are considering for my son are Fordham and NYU. He will not apply to SJU, even as a safety school

FWIW....."40 years ago" was before the introduction of St. Vincents College (CPS today)
 

Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Fordham has an average alumni giving rate of 23%, according to US News, by way of comparison

Just think how much could be invested in the quality of education if we had 23% alumni participation. Four times as many Fordham alumni contribute to the school as SJU. That says more about us than it does about St. John's
 
Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Beast... it is also telling that St. John's alums do not send their children to attend St.John's.

There's a legitimate reason for that beyond the relative demise of the school.

Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

In my case, the only local schools we are considering for my son are Fordham and NYU. He will not apply to SJU, even as a safety school

How does St John's compare to a higher ranked SUNY school like Binghamton or Stony Brook?
 
Also if you go back 40 years or so, the undergrad population of St. John's was 7,700 in 1972.

Today's enrollment is it much, much larger.

FWIW.....Have to take that into account when comparing us with schools that have much smaller undergrad populations.

Still believe that the top 25% plus (you can assign you own guess) could be admitted and compete successfully at schools ranked much higher such as Fordham, Boston U. GW, Syracuse, UConn, etc.

Would rather focus on the positive and the "finished product".

It is up to all of us to encourage fellow grads to give back (i.e. time and money).

We as grads can define St. John's or let US News do it for us.

Like to think St. John's is more than one ranking.

My wife and I sponsor 2 undergrads and both "love" St. John's and feel that they are getting a great education (Accounting and Communication majors).

Can't tell me that virtually every grad can't contribute $50-$100 annually to the St. John's General Fund.

Yes. money is tight but we are not talking about a $1,000 a year pledge.
 
Isn't it amazing that 19 out of 20 alumni don't contribute anything to the university. I think that your college should be one of the top 5 things you donate to on an annual basis.

Beast... it is also telling that St. John's alums do not send their children to attend St.John's.

There's a legitimate reason for that beyond the relative demise of the school.

Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

In my case, the only local schools we are considering for my son are Fordham and NYU. He will not apply to SJU, even as a safety school

How does St John's compare to a higher ranked SUNY school like Binghamton or Stony Brook?

SB is #82
 
Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

Beast..... I admire your attempt to spin the argument to defend St.John's failings but you are mistaken if you believe that 25 to 40 years ago that other "Catholic colleges (see: Providence, Villanova, Marguettte, Seton Hall, Siena, St.John Fisher (yes, Fisher is ranked ahead of St.John's), Fairfield, Marist and others) did not likewise primarily attract first generation college students from parochial high school schools. The difference is that during the 25 to 40 years the other Catholic colleges raised their academic profile while the brain trust at St.John's was seemingly turned a blind eye to academic reputation. The end result is that today the mothers and fathers of most other Catholic colleges encourage their kids to attend the school they graduated from while St.John's parents encourage their kids to go elsewhere. Sad. Unfortunate. Didn't have to be.
 
Yeah, NYU ranked in the low/mid 30s . . . again . . . for like the 15th straight year. I'd like to see them crack the 20s in my lifetime.
 
Many SJU students of 25-40 years ago were among the first to attend college in their families. Most of their parents did not possess a college degree, especially those who served in WWII and Korea. SJU was so affordable that it was the ONLY choice for a Catholic, private education. As a result, in those years, we had students that never would consider St. John's today. Also, those SJU graduates became successful enough that they could afford better schools for their own kids, which essentially cut off most legacy possibilities. So as the student body doesn't get bright children of bright SJU graduates, the school has had to attract other students to St. John's. Add to the mix that the school, with a diminished Catholic population in Queens, has actually expanded enrollment, and the result is less qualified students than back in the day.

The result is not inevitable - it's a failure to improve the core aspects that make a university great beyond nice buildings.

Beast..... I admire your attempt to spin the argument to defend St.John's failings but you are mistaken if you believe that 25 to 40 years ago that other "Catholic colleges (see: Providence, Villanova, Marguettte, Seton Hall, Siena, St.John Fisher (yes, Fisher is ranked ahead of St.John's), Fairfield, Marist and others) did not likewise primarily attract first generation college students from parochial high school schools. The difference is that during the 25 to 40 years the other Catholic colleges raised their academic profile while the brain trust at St.John's was seemingly turned a blind eye to academic reputation. The end result is that today the mothers and fathers of most other Catholic colleges encourage their kids to attend the school they graduated from while St.John's parents encourage their kids to go elsewhere. Sad. Unfortunate. Didn't have to be.

It's pretty simple, really. Don't worry I won't get into it that much but the primary reason SJU has a dead average if not low academic profile is because the motto is diversity quotas over strict standards. It's usually one or the other...the only times you can work both into a school is places like Ivies, or Stanford, Duke, etc. Only the very top schools can be very diverse and also very academically stringent simultaneously. We won't get the top minority students...they go to the schools I mentioned. But we still need them to fill quotas so we just get who we can take. Obviously there are exceptions but they are rare. A school run with this philosophy will not be known for academic rigor.
 
Also if you go back 40 years or so, the undergrad population of St. John's was 7,700 in 1972.

Today's enrollment is it much, much larger.

FWIW.....Have to take that into account when comparing us with schools that have much smaller undergrad populations.

Still believe that the top 25% plus (you can assign you own guess) could be admitted and compete successfully at schools ranked much higher such as Fordham, Boston U. GW, Syracuse, UConn, etc.

Would rather focus on the positive and the "finished product".

It is up to all of us to encourage fellow grads to give back (i.e. time and money).

We as grads can define St. John's or let US News do it for us.

Like to think St. John's is more than one ranking.

My wife and I sponsor 2 undergrads and both "love" St. John's and feel that they are getting a great education (Accounting and Communication majors).

Can't tell me that virtually every grad can't contribute $50-$100 annually to the St. John's General Fund.

Yes. money is tight but we are not talking about a $1,000 a year pledge.
JSJ where are you getting that 7,700 In the late 1950's enrollment exceeded 20,000 with over 16,000 being under grads. In fact SJU claimed to be the largest Catholic University in the world.Then they corrected that as one on the Catholic university in the Philipines. had a larger enrollment.
In !980 when SJU was starting to establish alumni chapters nationwide I attended a get together in L. A. the priest who had come out from Queens announced that the enrollment had reached something like 18,000. and was proud of it. A number of us had to inform him of the enrollment in late 1950s.
 
Also if you go back 40 years or so, the undergrad population of St. John's was 7,700 in 1972.

Today's enrollment is it much, much larger.

FWIW.....Have to take that into account when comparing us with schools that have much smaller undergrad populations.

Still believe that the top 25% plus (you can assign you own guess) could be admitted and compete successfully at schools ranked much higher such as Fordham, Boston U. GW, Syracuse, UConn, etc.

Would rather focus on the positive and the "finished product".

It is up to all of us to encourage fellow grads to give back (i.e. time and money).

We as grads can define St. John's or let US News do it for us.

Like to think St. John's is more than one ranking.

My wife and I sponsor 2 undergrads and both "love" St. John's and feel that they are getting a great education (Accounting and Communication majors).

Can't tell me that virtually every grad can't contribute $50-$100 annually to the St. John's General Fund.

Yes. money is tight but we are not talking about a $1,000 a year pledge.
JSJ where are you getting that 7,700 In the late 1950's enrollment exceeded 20,000 with over 16,000 being under grads. In fact SJU claimed to be the largest Catholic University in the world.Then they corrected that as one on the Catholic university in the Philipines. had a larger enrollment.
In !980 when SJU was starting to establish alumni chapters nationwide I attended a get together in L. A. the priest who had come out from Queens announced that the enrollment had reached something like 18,000. and was proud of it. A number of us had to inform him of the enrollment in late 1950s.

SOURCE: Transformational Leadership (A Case Study At St. John's University) by James P. Pello, page 90 (last paragraph).

"Under Fr. Cahill, the university had grown from 7,700 undergraduate students in 1972 to 14,400 in 1985, partly due to the growth of the Junior College (which later became The School of General Studies, then St. Vincent's College, and finally The College of Professional Studies).
 
Yeah, NYU ranked in the low/mid 30s . . . again . . . for like the 15th straight year. I'd like to see them crack the 20s in my lifetime.

I think the perception of NYU is higher, especially in the metro area.
 
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