NBA Draft 2025

MarkRedman said:
Most kids who come back to school for an extra year have an insurance policy for protection in case of injury
If he comes back and has a terrible year he's not good enough to even think about making it into the NBA
All I am saying is that, as a 2nd round pick (at best), he gets little or no guaranteed money and no financial stability
If he came back, he'd make lots of NIL money and, with another good year, could parlay that into the 1st round next year
I'm not looking to argue with you or anyone else and am not saying that his decision is wrong
I'm just suggesting that, from strictly a financial point of view, coming back to school was probably a better option for him
But, you're right, I'm not him and he and his family have to do what they think is best for him and I wish him the best of luck
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Again insurance is not the same as the rest of your career.

Again these are suppositions. "If he comes back and has a bad year he was not good enough..." No not necessarily...

Again you are substituting your judgement as a fan. You are free to do that but let's not pretend anyone here has the "best interest" of RJ or anyone. We are fans...
 
Marillac2 said:
I think RJ made the right decision. A lot of monster kids dropped out. I don't think there is a realistic chance he could replicate his 2024-2025 season -- certainly not the accolades. Worst case is he goes undrafted and signs a two-way deal. I do think he will be drafted in the second round.

He'd have to have the most ridiculous type of season to be in a better spot next year at 23.5 years old. Good luck, RJ.
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I agree. In the NIL error, many players are just taking a short term grab of some $$ and, in some cases, are actually diminishing their long term value because anything can happen in that extra year.....you can be exposed under different coaching (Storr), you can get injured, other players come out ahead of you from a new crop of young players, etc.
 
fordham96 said:
Again insurance is not the same as the rest of your career.
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if youre going with different scenarios... have to make them static in each route....

-Blowing out his knee in College next yr... on a 2-3mm contract.... vs blowing out his knee on a 2way.... think College wins that one...

-have a worse yr in college on a 2-3mm contract.... vs having a bad yr in the GLeague.... think the Pro route actually wins this one...

Either way... rootin like hell for him... might be the first NBA jersey i get in quite some time
 
He’s 22 now. If he’s going to grind his way into the League, best to start now. Made the decision to sacrifice a year of guaranteed NIL for potential years of NBA money. Already did college, believes he’s good enough for the NBA, and is willing to do what it takes. I applaud his decision.
 
Just looking at some of the Names in the 1st and 2nd Round predicted Draftees , I shake my head .
There is no way some of the guys are better players than RJ . That’s my opinion anyway .
Karraban , who was projected before he backed out ? He isn’t near the Player that Luis is .
Yes , i’m not a NBA Scout but , even those guys aren’t 100 percent right .

Who can ever forget Frederick Weis , drafted by the Knicks ahead of Ron Artest .
 
Parrish is not wrong. But the kid made up his mind and that's his prerogative.

This will be in the minority opinion here, but I have little loyalty to RJ or many of these guys, in this day and age. He is a semi-pro gunslinger for hire, who at times can be very good. Some have overestimated the player he is. In an historical perspective, he is not on par with Chris, or Ron, or Walter, or a bunch of other of our great past Redmen. He had an all star/all league year. Yup, he did. In reality, he is probably somewhere between that guy and the guy we saw the year before. That in between guy is not an NBA player, or certainly needs a lot of work to be one. His decision making, shot selection and making and other aspects of his game are lacking. He is a tremendous athletes, but there is no shortage of those in the league. He benefitted greatly from his surrounding cast last year, and from the fact that he was not hampered by nagging injury. BUT, in the last game, he reverted to "bad RJ". Scouts and teams see that. Maybe some think it is not worth the investment. It is a business.

I hope the best for him, but as I have said elsewhere, we have seen this movie before. I hope it is the one with the happy ending not the one ending in disappointment.

I just don't see the need to canonize him, or make it sound as if he is being highly undervalued.
 
paultzman said:
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Looking at that list if hypothetically the draft played out in that order I don't know that guys like Luis and Sallis (both ball-centric players) who rose into the very end of the second round as a result of guys like Condon and Lendeborg coming back to college are better off getting drafted there or being undrafted and having more flexibility to sign with a team where they might have more opportunity.

Surprised to see Grant Nelson ranked lower, I think he has some solid NBA characteristics. Sears clearly dinged here for height, lots of guys like Pedulla and Shulga for age. Happy to see Peavy in the mix, he has sneaky potential I think.

To Fizzy's point I think Clayton has one of the wider variances in this draft but I don't think he can get above maybe 14 - and he could fall out of the first round entirely. Really hope Kalk makes it into the first round, he's been on the borderline there all along.
 
lawmanfan said:
Looking at that list if hypothetically the draft played out in that order I don't know that guys like Luis and Sallis (both ball-centric players) who rose into the very end of the second round as a result of guys like Condon and Lendeborg coming back to college are better off getting drafted there or being undrafted and having more flexibility to sign with a team where they might have more opportunity.

Surprised to see Grant Nelson ranked lower, I think he has some solid NBA characteristics. Sears clearly dinged here for height, lots of guys like Pedulla and Shulga for age. Happy to see Peavy in the mix, he has sneaky potential I think.

To Fizzy's point I think Clayton has one of the wider variances in this draft but I don't think he can get above maybe 14 - and he could fall out of the first round entirely. Really hope Kalk makes it into the first round, he's been on the borderline there all along.
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I think Kalkenbrenner in the second round would be a real steal.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Just looking at some of the Names in the 1st and 2nd Round predicted Draftees , I shake my head .
There is no way some of the guys are better players than RJ . That’s my opinion anyway .
Karraban , who was projected before he backed out ? He isn’t near the Player that Luis is .
Yes , i’m not a NBA Scout but , even those guys aren’t 100 percent right .

Who can ever forget Frederick Weis , drafted by the Knicks ahead of Ron Artest .
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If that wasn't purely rhetorical, here is the answer to your question (in my opinion, and that's all it is):

1. Younger players with high-level athletic traits are NBA gold because the league looks at that and says "we can teach NBA skills to go with that talent." Those are who you see in the first round, mainly. Maluach and Sorber are two obvious ones; Bailey, Harper, Edgecombe all fit that bill as well.

2. Your second-round players are guys who the NBA looks at and says "we can find a role for that guy." Players like Champagnie, Karaban, potentially Kalkbrenner, they fall into that category. 3 and D wings, backup bigs, backup PGs, guys like that. Think about Tyler Kolek who was a great player in college - from an NBA standpoint he might be able to steal some minutes at PG but can't be played too much because he's expected to be a defensive liability. Second round pick. Brunson, who was an all-time college player but concerns about his height, athleticism, age, footspeed - second rounder.

3. When you get to players like RJ Luis or Hunter Sallis, the NBA looks at them and says "Yeah they're athletic but so is everyone in this league. There's no way they are going to succeed at this level playing the way they played in college. And it doesn't seem likely given their age and what they've shown us that they are likely to be a fit as role players. Let's send them to the G league and see if they show us anything that we missed."

So while you may look at the list and conclude that RJ was a more productive (I'll use that term instead of "better") player than some of the names ahead of him, from an NBA standpoint those names have a better chance to fit in and succeed in their game than he does.

Doesn't mean they always get it right, but there is a logic to it and I think it's largely the above.
 
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