Iowa St., Mon., Nov. 24, 4:30p, TruTV / 1050 AM

lawmanfan said:
Only so much homer-ism I can take, my friend. We all root for the same team. But a little objectivity never hurt anyone
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Respectfully don't think it's homer-ism to question IS having a 68% win chance. We are essentially ranked the same as Iowa State and their victory over Miss. State doesn't look all that impressive as they were also blown out by Kansas State and lost to New Mexico.
I think this should be at worst a pick em game but I like the matchup and our chances. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Will be a test for Darling and Sellers for sure.
 
dk423 said:
I just think it was a bit of a tell that Mitchell said he never saw it coming. It's not like it was a formal vote by the players. I think Rick understands that with a guy like him who's started basically every college game they've participated in, you can't just have him off the bench on a more permanent basis despite great leadership/hustle/practice stuff, without making a serious declaration of leadership somewhere else. He said earlier in the week that managing minutes would be the toughest challenge all year, I think he saw making Mitchell captain has one way to ease the internal pressure of his minutes a little bit.

And, to be clear, Mitchell 100% seems like an A++ leader and worthy captain. I just think its both.

In terms of Ayo, he became captain after the Bahamas episode when the team was spiraling a bit with chemistry. It wasn't compensatory, it was raising up a leader of the team and making guys focus on the right traits.
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Do you think Mitchell is an off the bench guy? I could be wrong but he plays pretty big and appears to me to be a glue guy who can fill a stat dheet without scoring a ton of points.

I see tri captains as a Pitino design to have middke managers - three guys who are all in that will lead by word and example.

Open to other opinions though.
 
Beasts of the East said:
Do you think Mitchell is an off the bench guy? I could be wrong but he plays pretty big and appears to me to be a glue guy who can fill a stat dheet without scoring a ton of points.

I see tri captains as a Pitino design to have middke managers - three guys who are all in that will lead by word and example.

Open to other opinions though.
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I think best version of this team, he's playing 25mpg. I actually do believe Rick when he says he doesn't care about who starts games, but he knows players do. Probably depends on matchup/opponent/game, but in March, I kinda think we'll end up with Darling/Jackson/Sanon/Hopkins/Zuby has the final five closing it out. Maybe Mitchell subs Darling out for defense.
 
Beasts of the East said:
Do you think Mitchell is an off the bench guy? I could be wrong but he plays pretty big and appears to me to be a glue guy who can fill a stat dheet without scoring a ton of points.

I see tri captains as a Pitino design to have middke managers - three guys who are all in that will lead by word and example.

Open to other opinions though.
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Agree! It is minutes, especially at crunch time, not who starts. Pitino has said this a hundred times.
 
dk423 said:
I think best version of this team, he's playing 25mpg. I actually do believe Rick when he says he doesn't care about who starts games, but he knows players do. Probably depends on matchup/opponent/game, but in March, I kinda think we'll end up with Darling/Jackson/Sanon/Hopkins/Zuby has the final five closing it out. Maybe Mitchell subs Darling out for defense.
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We'd be crazy not to have Sellers in at the end of close games as he is by far our best free throw shooter
 
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lawmanfan said:
Maybe it's based on "they are better than we are?". I mean other than playing in a better conference, being more highly ranked, having a better OOC win thus far than we do, probably having the best player on the court in the game, and being more together as a team at this point than we are, I can't think of a reason.

A lot of St John's ranking is Pitino, hype, and potential at this point IMO.

I think that Pitino plus development may eventually get closer to the hype (despite obvious flaws with the roster). And we might win this game. But totally reasonable for any given metric to favor Iowa State.

Still there's a reason they play the games, but to me the game is a coin flip at best
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You made this something not intended. I was simply questioning how they arrived at any metrics given limited data.

Yet in your ramblings you proved the point. “They are better than we are”. Says who? My point is it’s so early in the season NO ONE has any idea. In fact the game is pick ‘em. Too early to define who is who.

Then to label me as a “homer” and to pat yourself on the back is laughable. I made no prediction on the game. No idea how good SJU or Iowa State is. A little humility and less bluster never hurt anyone either.
 
SJU is the first good team Iowa State has played this season. It’s been all cupcakes for them to this point. Impossible to predict the outcome on that basis alone.
 
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