Memory Lane

SLYFOXX1968 said:
For those not around in the Lapchick era , he was quite a guy !
Bobby Knight revered Joe , Called him Mr Lapchick or , Coach Lapchick .
Getting such accolades from Bobby Knight were few and far between .
It’s called Respect . Which isn’t as much in use as back then .
How did Bobby and Joe connect ? Bobby was Coaching Army at the time and Joe lived in Yonkers , not that far away . Plus , SJ use to play Army regularly back then .
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Bobby Knight's a complicated guy and not all bad. His respect for Joe Lapchick carried over to Looie C., and whenever Bobby got talking about the St. John's Lapchick and Lou eras he did it with reverence. I always respected him for that.

Later on when he did some color commentary and the name St. John's came up, he told some great stories.

Bobby Knight and Joe Lapchick two absolute pillars of the Game.
 
BrookJersey Redmen said:
Bobby Knight's a complicated guy and not all bad. His respect for Joe Lapchick carried over to Looie C., and whenever Bobby got talking about the St. John's Lapchick and Lou eras he did it with reverence. I always respected him for that.

Later on when he did some color commentary and the name St. John's came up, he told some great stories.

Bobby Knight and Joe Lapchick two absolute pillars of the Game.
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I was at a Lapchick luncheon one year when Coack K. was honored. I was at a table with Mr. Kaiser, Coach C., Carmine Calzonetti, Rino and several others. At one point, Coach K. and Carmine were reminiscing about how they held each other scoreless when K was at Army and Carmine at SJU. Of course, they mentioned that was due to the fact that both Knight and Carnesseca almost forbade their point guards to shoot....:)
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
It’s really quite a story . Rick Barry , as I recall was one of the best jumper shooters of his era .

Yet , he chose to shoot free throws under hand .
I think he was near automatic from the foul line
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Had opposing player high score against St John’s in Alumni Hall for years while playing for Miami
 
OLV72 said:
Definitely true for us...and that includes all of history going back to Fred Flinstone days.
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So OLV72 is not a believer that the Helms Award is "our" true national championship?

A jump ball after every basket, that's how basketball was played until 1937; won the Helms Award for our 14-0 record 1910-1911.

Our 1943 and 1944 teams NIT Champs arguably (but not really, read on) could be considered National Champions as it is almost universally said that until the mid 1950's the NIT championship was considered more prestigious/glamorous than the NCAA one. Except during WWII Red Cross had a charity game between the two different "Champions" and we lost to Wyoming and to Utah. DePaul lost to Oklahoma State the only other time those champions faced off.

Our 1959 team that won the NIT was terrific with Tony Jackson coached by Joe Lapchick. to a National Champion however.
 
BrookJersey Redmen said:
So OLV72 is not a believer that the Helms Award is "our" true national championship?

A jump ball after every basket, that's how basketball was played until 1937; won the Helms Award for our 14-0 record 1910-1911.

Our 1943 and 1944 teams NIT Champs arguably (but not really, read on) could be considered National Champions as it is almost universally said that until the mid 1950's the NIT championship was considered more prestigious/glamorous than the NCAA one. Except during WWII Red Cross had a charity game between the two different "Champions" and we lost to Wyoming and to Utah. DePaul lost to Oklahoma State the only other time those champions faced off.

Our 1959 team that won the NIT was terrific with Tony Jackson coached by Joe Lapchick. to a National Champion however.
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We say that but
. It may be revisionist history but whenever any one speaks about national championship games of the 50s, they always reference NCAA championship games, not NIT.
 
OLV72 said:
Is that out of ignorance, or laziness?
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I think that even in our own history we reference the 1952 championship game vs Kansas as our high water mark. If it were not, then we obviously weren't that good a team since LaSalle won the NIT IN 1952, a fact lost to most.

In 1952 heading into the NCAA tournament we already had lost a first round nit game to LaSalle.

Congratulations, you just planted a seed in my head that even 1952 wasn't such a great accomplishment. 😀
 
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