You might have overlooked Erik Barckley on the Artest team .
He was a great PG . One of the best in our history , even for a short time here .
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You might have overlooked Erik Barckley on the Artest team .
He was a great PG . One of the best in our history , even for a short time here .
That's obviously not the team he is referring to. That's why.
Larry Wright
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That was following year minus Lopez and Zendon and went to Elite 8 which was my point, pun intended.
Nobody knows how things will shake out, but damn if people can’t just enjoy the process/getting our highest ranked player in god knows how long. Just weird to me that people try to come on here and shit all over things to prove how much ball knowledge they have.
We've got as much upside as any team in the country, and our floor would be our 2nd most successful season in 25 years. lol. Its an incredible time to be a fan.
Yea looking back at my posts from yesterday, I didn't mean to come off as down on the team we have coming in. For me it was more about defending the team we just had here, that gave us a special season and won both the Big East regular season and BET, and was one of the top 8 teams in the tournament.
I hope next years team is even better and has more talent, but I admittedly will have to wait and see on that before I willingly exclaim they are better than the 24-25 squad. A lot of that has to do with emotional attachment to the team I saw reach heights no St John's team has in my lifetime as a fan.
Speculation is just that. I believe what people are saying about Sanon and Jackson. But I would be lying if I said I watched a lot of Arizona State and North Carolina basketball last season. So I just need to see what they do for us. Nevertheless I am very pumped for the season and to see the last few pieces we can get here.
Last thing I'll add on this - I think worrying about "chemistry" right now is a moot point. Look at the portal numbers this offseason. Look at the turnover around the country. You could make the case that nearly every team in the country is going to have to build chemistry throughout the year. It is kind of a level playing field there. And we have a good coach and staff that I am confident will be able to facilitate chemistry over the course of the season, this was evident to me in the VICE doc, the team clearly had issues around the start of big east play and we figured it out quickly. Staff has to get credit for that
I hope next years team is even better and has more talent, but I admittedly will have to wait and see on that before I willingly exclaim they are better than the 24-25 squad. A lot of that has to do with emotional attachment to the team I saw reach heights no St John's team has in my lifetime as a fan.
Speculation is just that. I believe what people are saying about Sanon and Jackson. But I would be lying if I said I watched a lot of Arizona State and North Carolina basketball last season. So I just need to see what they do for us. Nevertheless I am very pumped for the season and to see the last few pieces we can get here.
Last thing I'll add on this - I think worrying about "chemistry" right now is a moot point. Look at the portal numbers this offseason. Look at the turnover around the country. You could make the case that nearly every team in the country is going to have to build chemistry throughout the year. It is kind of a level playing field there. And we have a good coach and staff that I am confident will be able to facilitate chemistry over the course of the season, this was evident to me in the VICE doc, the team clearly had issues around the start of big east play and we figured it out quickly. Staff has to get credit for that
I think a level headed way of looking at this transition is;
1. We had big holes and numbers to fill and are on our way to doing that w quality additions.
2. Chemistry which comes w so many changes is always a challenge.
3. The program captured national attention and that has continued to do so in off season.
4. It is fair to have concerns about PG tandem, but let’s see what we add.
5. National Championships are not won in May, but imo far better to have ingredients that may have imperfections, but also very good potential.
6. Pitino’s can coach, feels Ian can cut it at PG and no sense worrying about it all summer. He added the length he craves and upgraded the shooting. Can he find the sweet spot where we defend to an adequate level and are a legit scoring threat?
7. I’m not a blind faith Pitino guy, but hard to bet against him, considering where he has taken the program in two years.
With Mitchell on board, one could make a colorable argument that we have the best defensive front court in the nation -- which is insane since we don't have a traditional center/shot-blocker.
Then you throw in two filthy shooters like Sanon and Sellers...a top 10 at worst talent in the country in Jackson. Offense-defense substitutions abound.
We're obviously going to add a PG that can play 15-20 minutes minimally and then 1-2 Euros to top off the roster. I'd expect one to either provide insurance at PG or at least be able to chip in with secondary ball-handling and passing out of the 3 spot along with Lefty.
Chemistry will be a concern for every team in the country. It helps having guys like Zuby and Ayo who put the team first and a kid like Mitchell who is not going to look to dominate the ball.
And roster isn’t even complete yet. Why not enjoy the offseason?
Not just you... but see it come up a bit... " I dont have blind faith in Rick" type statement.... how?
He is a Living Coaching Legend... has had success as Every stop in his journey (sans Celtics)... who are "blind faith" coaches?
-Wooden / Dean / K / Roy ....? Rick has to be close if not on the list...
If there was anyone to have blind faith in this day in age... man, Rick has to pretty effin close lol
People seem to forget that hit two huge buzzer beaters at the end of games this year.
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I had forgotten Artest had played on that Lopez team with Tarik Turner as PG .
At least , I think Tarik was . He wasn’t awful , just not great .
Moose
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Have you read the Yankees thread here lately?
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We can talk about chemistry all we want, and that is fair. However, no one knows how teams will gel.
Who here can honestly say they forecasted the team would be as close as they were? We all love Kadary, but there were rumors of him being lazy and selfish.
While it turned out to be the opposite, it didn’t start off that way. Pitino called out Kadary for not being in shape. Then people here were complaining that Kadary never dives for a loose balls, and could never work with Deivon because both need the ball in their hands.
Kadary received plenty of criticism and was singled out as the main reason for the team’s lackluster performances early last season.
I would temper the chemistry concerns for the time being. There will be time for that later.
I would rather enjoy the build up of the roster. We just received a portal commitment from a former 5 star NYC player and it almost feels as if we lost a former 5 star NYC player.
Who here can honestly say they forecasted the team would be as close as they were? We all love Kadary, but there were rumors of him being lazy and selfish.
While it turned out to be the opposite, it didn’t start off that way. Pitino called out Kadary for not being in shape. Then people here were complaining that Kadary never dives for a loose balls, and could never work with Deivon because both need the ball in their hands.
Kadary received plenty of criticism and was singled out as the main reason for the team’s lackluster performances early last season.
I would temper the chemistry concerns for the time being. There will be time for that later.
I would rather enjoy the build up of the roster. We just received a portal commitment from a former 5 star NYC player and it almost feels as if we lost a former 5 star NYC player.
Sorry - I’m a Mets fan.
Two quick thoughts about the point guard situation:
1. A lot of folks around here still seem to view the PG position like we're in the Bob Cousy/Mo Cheeks era of basketball and the PG is "setting guys up". To my eyes, the PG has the ball in his hands less these days than at any time I can remember, especially in Pitino's offense and belief in positionless basketball. Anyone can bring the ball up, the PG basically starts the offense. The pick and roll/pop game can be played by any position 1-3, not just the PG. In this world, taking a guy like Jackson and making him the quote-unquote PG is not as risky as it may have been 20 years ago IMO
2. As to those lamenting our two amazing departing PGs and the awesome chemistry of last year's team, might I remind you that early last year Kadary was struggling mightily, and the chemistry- in general and between the two PGs- was so amazing that one of them got suspended for throwing a tantrum over his usage and the difficulty the two of them had in figuring out their roles. It speaks well of both of them that by the end they worked it out, but a LOT of that credit goes to CRP and staff. Of course nothing is guaranteed but so far CRP has shown not only an ability to coach them, but pick them. Highly doubt anyone coming here is a me-first guy and if they are that will be dealt with swiftly and severely. The last thing I'm worried about is how all the pieces are going to fit together.
1. A lot of folks around here still seem to view the PG position like we're in the Bob Cousy/Mo Cheeks era of basketball and the PG is "setting guys up". To my eyes, the PG has the ball in his hands less these days than at any time I can remember, especially in Pitino's offense and belief in positionless basketball. Anyone can bring the ball up, the PG basically starts the offense. The pick and roll/pop game can be played by any position 1-3, not just the PG. In this world, taking a guy like Jackson and making him the quote-unquote PG is not as risky as it may have been 20 years ago IMO
2. As to those lamenting our two amazing departing PGs and the awesome chemistry of last year's team, might I remind you that early last year Kadary was struggling mightily, and the chemistry- in general and between the two PGs- was so amazing that one of them got suspended for throwing a tantrum over his usage and the difficulty the two of them had in figuring out their roles. It speaks well of both of them that by the end they worked it out, but a LOT of that credit goes to CRP and staff. Of course nothing is guaranteed but so far CRP has shown not only an ability to coach them, but pick them. Highly doubt anyone coming here is a me-first guy and if they are that will be dealt with swiftly and severely. The last thing I'm worried about is how all the pieces are going to fit together.
To be fair staff went after Lee, a more traditional type PG, extremely hard. He was their first choice PG. Ian was seen as more of a wildly talented off guard, small forward guy who could also play point in manner Sim did depending on the situation.
Just putting this in proper and fair perspective.