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Do you really think that way? If you do, it's kind of sad.



I'd include Hardy as a good college outside shooter. I don't think Jackson was considered a huge outside threat.
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Huh? Think what way? I was referring to the fact that you cited a list of shooters that included only heady intelligent players like Ron Rowan and neglected the shooters who were natural athletes like Boo Harvey. To what are you referring?

PS Mark Jackson shot 42 percent from three as a senior. Better than JJ Reddick shot as a junior and .05 percent lower than JJ Reddick shot as a senior. Shirley JJ Reddick is one of those heady intelligent shooters who would have been on your list.
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Was MArk Jackson a better natural athlete than Chris Mullin? I don't recall that? I do recall Jackson, as a 6'3 guard, posting smaller guards. 42% is not amazing as a shooter. Mullin shot more than 50% in his 4 years at SJU. As pointed out earlier, if you remove PG's three point shooting, he was at 45% this year, an acceptable shooter.
 
Dwight Hardy would stroke it, so could James Scott and Boo Harvey.

Back in the day, Billy Schaefer had the sweetest jump shot I have ever seen.

Our lack of an abundance of really talented outside shooters goes back many, many years now.

Mattie Brust got better as he went along, but I would not compare him at all to Chris and Billy.
 
Was MArk Jackson a better natural athlete than Chris Mullin? I don't recall that? I do recall Jackson, as a 6'3 guard, posting smaller guards. 42% is not amazing as a shooter. Mullin shot more than 50% in his 4 years at SJU.
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I didn't say anything about Jackson being a better or worse athlete than anyone. The phrase you used and the list you left MJ off was players "that ... you could call good outside shooters who could also play the game." Heady and intelligent was merely my paraphrase of the italicized bit. I suggest that Jackson's HOF career is evidence that he could "play the game." Which leads me to wonder why you left him off the list in favor of Ron Rowan, who for some reason has not yet been inducted into Canton.

MJ shot 42 percent from three point range his senior year. That's comparable to JJ Reddick as a three point shooter. He shot over 50 percent from the floor, just like - wait for it - Chris Mullin.

From the floor Jackson shot 57, 56, 48 and 50 over 4 years. He shot 51 percent for his career.

In contrast Rowan shot 46, 49, 46 and 52 for his career. He had a lower career shooting percentage than Jackson and managed over 50 percent once. Jackson managed it three times.

Yet you remember Rowan as good shooter who could play the game and Jackson not so much. I find that odd considering the facts.

None of them compare to Mullin, obviously. He is one of the better shooters in the history of college BB. Ron Rowan certainly is in rare company to be on a list with him.
 
Dwight Hardy would stroke it, so could James Scott and Boo Harvey.

Back in the day, Billy Schaefer had the sweetest jump shot I have ever seen.

Our lack of an abundance of really talented outside shooters goes back many, many years now.

Mattie Brust got better as he went along, but I would not compare him at all to Chris and Billy.
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Scott shot 43.1% in his two years, not exactly stroking it when compared to some of the others mentioned in this thread. OTOH, he'd be leading this year's team. :lol:
 
Don't have my stat machine handy but Boo had a special talent for hitting the "big" shot. I'd wager that if you put his stats up for overall 3pt shooting vs 3pt shots at critical moments the latter would be significantly higher. David Cain Sr season hit some special shots. Jason Buchanan was used sparingly in that role but hit some good ones. Bootsy was awesome at hitting the outside shot and likewise cleaning up the garbage under the basket.
Had Mark Jackson played a few years later he probably would have been thought of as a great shooter. The three was a big adjustment for LC and it never seemed to be treated as anything but a gimmick on his last couple of teams.
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It's a great discussion to initiate - guys who want the ball in their hands and are capable of making the big shot. The greatest players always seem to do that - want the ball, and make shots. There's no question that as good as Jordan, Bird, and other were in the first 45 minutes of a game, they defined themselves by being money players in the final few minutes. For Knicks fans it seemed that more often than not, Ewing would miss a key foul shot, short jumper in the closing moments than come through.

Mark Jackson is a rare guy who was actually better in the NBA than he was in college. No one would have seriously picked Jackson to have a stellar career, and Pearl Washington to flop, but that's exactly what happened.[/quote

Mark, had a great career at St. John's. i remember him having huge games against the Cuse and Gtown, 2 of the Johnnie's biggest opponents.
When Mark dropped in the draft he took it personally and proved all the expert NBA draftniks wrong, winning rookie of the year. I believe that
Mark became particularly enraged when that moron Abe Pollin drafted the midget Muggys Bogues.I believe Kenny Aknderson and Kevin Johnson were
point guards picked ahead of Jackson but it was Bogues that killed him.
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Will Shaw was his freshman year, didn't he set the record? Unfortunately he declined from that point on.

Elijah Ingram was supposed to be a lights out 3 point shooter. We know how that turned out.
 
Don't have my stat machine handy but Boo had a special talent for hitting the "big" shot. I'd wager that if you put his stats up for overall 3pt shooting vs 3pt shots at critical moments the latter would be significantly higher. David Cain Sr season hit some special shots. Jason Buchanan was used sparingly in that role but hit some good ones. Bootsy was awesome at hitting the outside shot and likewise cleaning up the garbage under the basket.
Had Mark Jackson played a few years later he probably would have been thought of as a great shooter. The three was a big adjustment for LC and it never seemed to be treated as anything but a gimmick on his last couple of teams.
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Paul, you're right regarding Looie's acceptance of the three. Even his defense was suspect. I remember Kansas beating St. John's at the Garden with a last second tying three
when Looie should have fouled to send the player to the line for 2 with time expired. Looie explained later that he believed in his defense, when the crowd, and later the media was calling for a foul. A coach who was an early advocate of the three was Rick Pitino, you know the guy who has taken 3 different teams to the Final Four. All he did was the math 40% from three is a 60% shooter from everywhere else..
 
Was MArk Jackson a better natural athlete than Chris Mullin? I don't recall that? I do recall Jackson, as a 6'3 guard, posting smaller guards. 42% is not amazing as a shooter. Mullin shot more than 50% in his 4 years at SJU.
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I didn't say anything about Jackson being a better or worse athlete than anyone. The phrase you used and the list you left MJ off was players "that ... you could call good outside shooters who could also play the game." Heady and intelligent was merely my paraphrase of the italicized bit. I suggest that Jackson's HOF career is evidence that he could "play the game." Which leads me to wonder why you left him off the list in favor of Ron Rowan, who for some reason has not yet been inducted into Canton.

MJ shot 42 percent from three point range his senior year. That's comparable to JJ Reddick as a three point shooter. He shot over 50 percent from the floor, just like - wait for it - Chris Mullin.

From the floor Jackson shot 57, 56, 48 and 50 over 4 years. He shot 51 percent for his career.

In contrast Rowan shot 46, 49, 46 and 52 for his career. He had a lower career shooting percentage than Jackson and managed over 50 percent once. Jackson managed it three times.

Yet you remember Rowan as good shooter who could play the game and Jackson not so much. I find that odd considering the facts.

None of them compare to Mullin, obviously. He is one of the better shooters in the history of college BB. Ron Rowan certainly is in rare company to be on a list with him.
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That's a very good argument in favor of Jackson. Obviously good enough to be a first round pic, and his stats don't lie. I just always had this negative notion of him as being lead footed, and the helicopters and brooms turned me off. That doesn't however negate the fact that he was a good shooter.
 
Will Shaw was his freshman year, didn't he set the record? Unfortunately he declined from that point on.

Elijah Ingram was supposed to be a lights out 3 point shooter. We know how that turned out.
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He sure could shoot video with the best of them, however.
 
Was MArk Jackson a better natural athlete than Chris Mullin? I don't recall that? I do recall Jackson, as a 6'3 guard, posting smaller guards. 42% is not amazing as a shooter. Mullin shot more than 50% in his 4 years at SJU.
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I didn't say anything about Jackson being a better or worse athlete than anyone. The phrase you used and the list you left MJ off was players "that ... you could call good outside shooters who could also play the game." Heady and intelligent was merely my paraphrase of the italicized bit. I suggest that Jackson's HOF career is evidence that he could "play the game." Which leads me to wonder why you left him off the list in favor of Ron Rowan, who for some reason has not yet been inducted into Canton.

MJ shot 42 percent from three point range his senior year. That's comparable to JJ Reddick as a three point shooter. He shot over 50 percent from the floor, just like - wait for it - Chris Mullin.

From the floor Jackson shot 57, 56, 48 and 50 over 4 years. He shot 51 percent for his career.

In contrast Rowan shot 46, 49, 46 and 52 for his career. He had a lower career shooting percentage than Jackson and managed over 50 percent once. Jackson managed it three times.

Yet you remember Rowan as good shooter who could play the game and Jackson not so much. I find that odd considering the facts.

None of them compare to Mullin, obviously. He is one of the better shooters in the history of college BB. Ron Rowan certainly is in rare company to be on a list with him.
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That's a very good argument in favor of Jackson. Obviously good enough to be a first round pic, and his stats don't lie. I just always had this negative notion of him as being lead footed, and the helicopters and brooms turned me off. That doesn't however negate the fact that he was a good shooter.
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Mark took good shots. Thats part of being a basketball player. He also got to the line. everything about him said winner. The kid Glover who played for Iona of course was a step down then players we have been mentioning, but knew how to play. He would take 12 shots and score 20 pts. He would also get his 8 boards. I'm not talking about fancy now, talking about knowing how to play basketball. Darryl Hill played hurt, but knew how to play. DuJuan Blair played hurt but sure knew how to use what he had. I love those players. Sampson and Pointer have a chance to e heady, but really going to have to pay attention. CO I'm not sure about, bad fouls and laughs. I'll be rooting for theses guys, and we will see how it works out. If Harrison wants to play anywhere, he better listen good. Conn. had some guys who could play over the years, but why go there.
 
Will Shaw was his freshman year, didn't he set the record? Unfortunately he declined from that point on.

Elijah Ingram was supposed to be a lights out 3 point shooter. We know how that turned out.
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He sure could shoot video with the best of them, however.
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You have to be inspired by the subject matter.
 
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