We Are...The Most Idiotic Fans
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Of course it isn't good.. but it happens to programs all over college basketball. It is magnified more with us because we had to bring in 9 new players.. I was expecting 1 for sure.. but 3 does suck. No different however then if we brought in a 3 man class and one didn't qualify. 9 players is an absurd amount to bring in and is almost unheard of. I hope Sir Dom can rebound
I know you were going for the We are...St. John's thing but it's not really we are the most idiotic fans it's more like a small group of people jumping off a bridge. I myself am very nervous about this year, if they get smacked around it won't bode well for future recruiting and without these three in the rough and tumble BE....not good
danman...read this thread and you'll know where Marbles is coming from.
http://www.redmen.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=4&id=2005&Itemid=602
Yeah its a bad day. Yeah you can't spin it any other way than its a big disappointment.
But its not the end of the world and it seems worse than it is because we were going to be short handed anyway this season.
I hope these kids can get cleared for 2nd semester. If not, I'm glad Lavin has 3 more ships to offer for next year. At the end of the day he'll bring in excellent players and as a side benefit we'll have our scholarship distribution squared away, even if its not the way we wanted it to happen.
Bad day...yeah.
But tomorrow is a new day.
Agree with SJU fan. It certainly sucks, but we had a massive rebuild with 11 schollies this year. Polee ditched, and the funny thing is that he would have gotten plenty of PT it seems. Regardless most weren't expecting a massively successful season with 10 newcomers. This sets us back a bit, but not all that much if we can at least get 1 or 2 of our guys qualified for second semester. I hope we get em all back.
Worst case scenario is really just a few more losses and hopefully an NIT this season, and a few more evenly distributed scholarships for next season. Lots of talent still on the table for Lavin to grab for one or two ships.
Now I'm hoping we can maybe grab Kyle Anderson to soften the blow a little.
Does it suck for this year yes it does, our number of losses just went up.
On a positive note Coach has already recruited two very good players for next season who will immediately add to our depth. He may have three more ships to award for next season and there are many very talented players he can get who we only would have dreamed of getting 18 months ago like Amile Jefferson and Christopher Obepka etc, whose recruitment has been put on hold while we pursue Ka.
Our scholarship distribution will work itself out almost overnight if the staff decides to go the Juco route and then we can be a program that recruits 3-4 top 100 players on an annual basis.
Short term pain no doubt but clearly long term gain.
In addition to kranmars original post , which I agree entirely with, all I can say is if some of you think this is bad recruiting by Coach Lavin what would you have said in 1985 when coming off a final four appearance where your team was loosing 4 key players including 3 starters your coach brought in a great recruiting class consisting of Marco Baldi.
As if that wasn't enough, in 1986 after finishing once again number 3 in the polls and winning the BE Championship your coach followed up on the great 1985 recruiting class with top 100 forward Moses Scurry, who never made it to campus because of academics, top 100 forward Jayson Williams who had to sit an entire year because of academics, top 50 guard Elander Lewis who transferred after his freshman season and top 50 guard Marcus Broadnax who transferred mid-way through his freshman season.
So of the 4 players recruited only 3 made it to campus, only 2 could play their first season. and only 1 player was left after their first season.
Thank g-d there was no internet then as I could not imagine what our brilliant fan base would have to say.
Bottom line is that this six man class is the best class recruited to SJU by far since I have been following the program in 1981 and perhaps ever.
On a positive note Coach has already recruited two very good players for next season who will immediately add to our depth. He may have three more ships to award for next season and there are many very talented players he can get who we only would have dreamed of getting 18 months ago like Amile Jefferson and Christopher Obepka etc, whose recruitment has been put on hold while we pursue Ka.
Our scholarship distribution will work itself out almost overnight if the staff decides to go the Juco route and then we can be a program that recruits 3-4 top 100 players on an annual basis.
Short term pain no doubt but clearly long term gain.
In addition to kranmars original post , which I agree entirely with, all I can say is if some of you think this is bad recruiting by Coach Lavin what would you have said in 1985 when coming off a final four appearance where your team was loosing 4 key players including 3 starters your coach brought in a great recruiting class consisting of Marco Baldi.
As if that wasn't enough, in 1986 after finishing once again number 3 in the polls and winning the BE Championship your coach followed up on the great 1985 recruiting class with top 100 forward Moses Scurry, who never made it to campus because of academics, top 100 forward Jayson Williams who had to sit an entire year because of academics, top 50 guard Elander Lewis who transferred after his freshman season and top 50 guard Marcus Broadnax who transferred mid-way through his freshman season.
So of the 4 players recruited only 3 made it to campus, only 2 could play their first season. and only 1 player was left after their first season.
Thank g-d there was no internet then as I could not imagine what our brilliant fan base would have to say.
Bottom line is that this six man class is the best class recruited to SJU by far since I have been following the program in 1981 and perhaps ever.
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You opened up a few eyes here brother!!! There were a few left over Norm ass kissers here that also forgot very quickly that SJ has THREE top 40 ranked players left! In SIX YEARS Roberts never recruited ONE top 50 player! Lav also has Gathers, a 6'7 top 50 in the fold. If he adds KA, he would have FIVE top 50 players next year. Not one coach in the last quarter century accomplished that recruiting success! Let us not forget we are in the hunt for at least one or two top 100 players and if 2 of the 3 do not return and we sign those players, we could have a 2012 team composed of EIGHT TOP 100 players! I do not care if our thin bench loses 15 games this year, next year they will be taking mucho SCALPS!!!!
The only problem I have with the whole thing is the predictability angle. This can't have been a total surprise and if you're going to restrict recruiting to the top 100s these things are going to happen. We didn't have enough minutes for them all anyway but it's too bad two big men were included. It might have been preferable to have a couple of student athlete types to fill the end of the bench after all. Might not have made this year's record any better but it beats playing walkons. So here we are again with prices up and quality probably down. Time to put away my red hats for awhile. Damn!
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Did you have the red hats the previous six years under Norm Roberts? Let's get real here! We were not going to win the Big East with all new young players! You may not like to hear this but Norm Roberts left SJ with a HUGE rebuilding project by strategically recruiting players that ALL left when the door slammed on his tenure. To have NINE scholarships on a D1 team spells REBUILD ASAP in all CAPS! Lav delivered on the recruiting end and if the stars all aligned SJ will be 8 deep by January 1, 2012. Being 8 deep with 4 top 100 players is something SJ never had under Roberts. Roberts was given 6 years to rebuild ----- he Failed! By YEAR THREE Steve Lavin will have a national contender------hope you still have the red hats by then!
Did you have the red hats the previous six years under Norm Roberts? Let's get real here! We were not going to win the Big East with all new young players! You may not like to hear this but Norm Roberts left SJ with a HUGE rebuilding project by strategically recruiting players that ALL left when the door slammed on his tenure. To have NINE scholarships on a D1 team spells REBUILD ASAP in all CAPS! Lav delivered on the recruiting end and if the stars all aligned SJ will be 8 deep by January 1, 2012. Being 8 deep with 4 top 100 players is something SJ never had under Roberts. Roberts was given 6 years to rebuild ----- he Failed! By YEAR THREE Steve Lavin will have a national contender------hope you still have the red hats by then!
Yeah I even wore the hats to and from all the horror shows under Roberts. Lately though with the top three recruiting class the word was getting outthat SJU was back and I was getting positive feedback in public. I wouldn't even hazard a guess what the ranking would be now. No, it's back to wearing the hats to and from the games. I don't care to hear the negative feedback on the players who weren't legit. Better luck next year I hope.