warners famous lead in was " Lets go to the video tape" and the NCAA has taken up his ideas in spades . this year the refs are going to the video tape to get calls correct but they have added a new ridiculous wrinkle . they are using the tape to call fouls that they did not see . This has happened several times at the Garden in St. johns games. The other night they went to the tape in the middle of a one and one and charged a foul they missed .When is a game going to hinge on a missed call that is found on tape and then a call is made . Imagine this scenario . Ah Coach K your guy fouled # 5 ,we dind't see it but we saw it on tape so we have to call it . I know the score is tied but we are awarding # 5 two shots
Warner wolf was ahead of his time !!!
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that video tape cr@p after the 1st free throw was freaking annoying. If you are gonna go to the tape it should be immediately after the play. Once you shoot a foul shot it's like resuming play and you shouldn't be allowed to.
That's like going to the tape in an nfl game after the offense already gets to the next down
beast of the east
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What were they looking for vs. GTown on the FT shot review? Lane violation?
The Creighton game was absurd in the number of times the refs were watching video reviews - I wondered during the GTown game if the refs were under a directive not to use video to review out of bounds or foul calls, as was done in the Creighton game.
I think basketball is the most subjective game to call. There is contact on almost every single drive to the hoop. There are 10 players free to roam anywhere on the court and are almost always in motion. Offensive fouls are often incredibly difficult to get right, and often fans are correct when they groan about a travel not called. Out of bounds, the last player to actually touch the ball often doesn't get cited that way - it's the player that was most animated in the deflection. My guess is that if the game was totally subject to video review, a panel of trained referees reviewing a game after the fact would make very different calls when reviewing action multiple times, in slow motion, and freeze frame.
And yea, influential coaches have an edge in persuading a ref to review video. I like the idea of challenges being tied to timeouts. It may actually help us if they did that, since Lavin seems to like to burn that last time out in ways many of us scratch our heads.
How about throwing replay away because with all the delays in the game they don't wind up "getting it right" a decent portion of the time anyway. It is a game and human error is part of it. By the way, I realize that is not going to happen, technology is only going to impede on sports more and more.
beast of the east
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Not only that, but a prolonged video review helps to break the momentum of a team on a run.
I remember in the years I worked at the US Open, where I had access to players on a daily basis as part of my crummy job, I was speaking to a good friend of John McEnroe's, in the era when John was becoming the ultimate bad boy of tennis. This guy said to me, you'll never see John go off when he is winning. Part of it is an act to disrupt his opponent and rattle him a bit. So, in the few minutes that McEnroe went berserk, his opponents momentum had been broken, and Mac tried to regroup, often with success. So, it was tactical to an extent. I felt that McDermott may have been demanding video reviews in the same manner. FWIW, if you are a tennis fan, Ilie Nastase's outbursts were not motivated the same way - when he lost it, it could be at any point in a match, and he was gone.
guinness77
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It should be used timing issues and to determine possession once the ball is out of play, all this other stuff is BS and is seriously adding another 10-15 minutes to games, usually down the stretch too. They often, still, don't get the call right and, as someone already pointed out, a huge game/momentum killer.
Here's a nutty concept....how about the referees get the call right on the floor and at the very most consult each other and come to a consensus in a reasonable amount of time. The refs know they can go to the video for ANYTHING, and I feel that makes them a little more lazy on the floor.
Here's a nutty concept....how about the referees get the call right on the floor and at the very most consult each other and come to a consensus in a reasonable amount of time. The refs know they can go to the video for ANYTHING, and I feel that makes them a little more lazy on the floor.
basketballjones
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The video tape reviews are driving me nuts too. They reviewed a post play where Obekpa raised his arm just to see if there was a flagrant foul. He didn't come close to throwing an elbow. Also, what is up with all the missed charging/blocking foul calls? Seems to me that the refs in the Big East are missing lots of charging calls.
Moose
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No they aren't. Usually regional based. So a Big East ref is likely to be doing ACC, A-10, MAAC, or maybe some Big 10
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees
One thing that has to change:
Starting next year, the people in attendance at the game need to (A). know what the refs are reviewing, and (B). should be able to see a replay on the big screen. Nothing like shelling out $75 for MSG tickets (though I'm lucky enough to go for free, thanks to my father), and not know what is going on, while the guy who stays at home for free has total access.
Starting next year, the people in attendance at the game need to (A). know what the refs are reviewing, and (B). should be able to see a replay on the big screen. Nothing like shelling out $75 for MSG tickets (though I'm lucky enough to go for free, thanks to my father), and not know what is going on, while the guy who stays at home for free has total access.
beast of the east
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I'm curious, since I don't have Jets or Giants season tix - do they show the video review on big screens at NFL games? I'm guessing not in the stadiums. I think it would be a good idea if fans at least knew what was being challenged.or reviewed.
The last thing we need is 19000 (or in our case 7,000 fans second guessing the refs more than we do now.
beast of the east
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Just what we need to see - 30 replays of the ball going out of bounds in the Creighton game and they still couldn't make up their minds.
On the BIG plus side, I love how the Garden strings together video of our baskets when we are on a run - definitely helps get the crowd going.
I go to Giants games, and yes they do show it now.
I've found that baseball is the worst actually. There must be a policy against it, because on a close or strike 3 they absolutely never show the replay on the video screen. You're better off sitting at the top of your section sometimes because you can turn around and see the tv screens by the concessions.
beast of the east
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Just a guess, but aren't most of the challenges in NFL most in bounds or not? Maybe some spots on the ball near the first down marker? What else? Those are usually undeniable when reviewed, correct?