U.S. News Ranking

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New ranking recently released: #145

Average Acceptance Rate: 52.6%

Freshman Retention Rate : 78%

6 Year Graduation Rate: 55%

Freshman in top 10% of High School Class: 17%

Freshman in top 25% of High School Class: 42%

Average Alumni Giving Rate: 5.4%

Average High School GPA: 3.4

SAT Critical Reading Average Score: 541

SAT Math Average Score: 563

SAT Writing: N/A

5 Most Popular Majors

Business, Management, Marketing: 22%

Communication, Journalism: 11%

Health Professions: 9%

Psychology: 8%

Biological and Biological Sciences 7%

Student Body:

55% Female
45% Male
 
New ranking recently released: #145
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President Gempesaw has his work cute out for him. The good news however is that the 2 individuals I know that have spent time with President Gempesaw say that he is a very bright, and engaged individual.

A goal to move St.Johns to the top #125 within 4 years is doable.

I sincerely wish President Gempesaw success.
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
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The 58% not in the top 25% drag down our rankings. They tend to have lower SAT scores, come from working class backgrounds, have to work, or are just poor college material. Eliminate the acceptance of the bottom 25% and you become a top 100 school. That is basically the difference between Fordham and SJ. Finally, SJ is still not a traditional 4 year college where most students live on campus and bond for 4 years. The 60% that commute have a very high drop out rate. Those are most of the "factors".
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
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The 58% not in the top 25% drag down our rankings. They tend to have lower SAT scores, come from working class backgrounds, have to work, or are just poor college material. Eliminate the acceptance of the bottom 25% and you become a top 100 school. That is basically the difference between Fordham and SJ. Finally, SJ is still not a traditional 4 year college where most students live on campus and bond for 4 years. The 60% that commute have a very high drop out rate. Those are most of the "factors".
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I don't think your analysis explains things fully. While 40% of enrolled students are Pell eligible, coming from disadvantaged backrounds, If just 80% of those in the top 25% of their hs class (58%) graduate within 6 years, that would be account for 48% of the 58%. The other 42% of enrolled students would have only 25% of students graduate within 6 years, which is abysmal. Statistics can be funny things - once you figure out what the metrics are, you can bend stats without improving performance, which is why I asked those questions to JSJ.

You are correct though in that the bottom 40% of students SJU is admitting are likely not great students. Bobby has his job cut out for him if enrollment is down, since there is pressure to fill freshman classes by lowering standards.
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
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I believe the top 361 collges are from The Princeton Review. Not U.S. News. Different publications.

SAT scores referenced by U.S. News is for incoming 2013 freshman.
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
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The 58% not in the top 25% drag down our rankings. They tend to have lower SAT scores, come from working class backgrounds, have to work, or are just poor college material. Eliminate the acceptance of the bottom 25% and you become a top 100 school. That is basically the difference between Fordham and SJ. Finally, SJ is still not a traditional 4 year college where most students live on campus and bond for 4 years. The 60% that commute have a very high drop out rate. Those are most of the "factors".
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Fordham also doesnot have anywhere near the number of Pell grant students that we do (over 40%).

As you know, and appreciate, both are schools with different missions. According to U.S. News, Fordham's list price tuition and fees are $43,500 annually (Room and Board catipultes it well over $60K) while ours are $38,600 a year.

FWIW, I would seriously doubt that SJU wiould shrink its enrollment by 25%.

I would agree that you will find more "working class" kids at SJU than Rose Hill/Lincoln Center.

The Family AGI at Fordham would be "quite a bit more" than our students.

I would also think that you will find a much higher % of first geneeration college students at SJU than Fordham. I don't think any of us are surprised by that.
 
JSJ,
Please explain how just last season, St John's was touting in commercials that they were ranked the 361st best university in America, and now 145? Is this a regional ranking?

Also, are the SAT scores published the aggregate SAT scores of current undergrads, 2013 freshmen, or accepted students? I know that like some schools, SJU will reach out to top hs students with an offer of zero application fee, almost immediate acceptance response, scholarship and no essay required. It appears to be done to bolster some statistic.

When 42% of your students are in the top 25% of their hs graduating class, but only 55% graduate within 6 years, something is awry. Either we are admitting kids from some very bad high schools, or some other factor.
Click to expand...

The 58% not in the top 25% drag down our rankings. They tend to have lower SAT scores, come from working class backgrounds, have to work, or are just poor college material. Eliminate the acceptance of the bottom 25% and you become a top 100 school. That is basically the difference between Fordham and SJ. Finally, SJ is still not a traditional 4 year college where most students live on campus and bond for 4 years. The 60% that commute have a very high drop out rate. Those are most of the "factors".
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Fordham also doesnot have anywhere near the number of Pell grant students that we do (over 40%).

As you know, and appreciate, both are schools with different missions. According to U.S. News, Fordham's list price tuition and fees are $43,500 annually (Room and Board catipultes it well over $60K) while ours are $38,600 a year.

FWIW, I would seriously doubt that SJU wiould shrink its enrollment by 25%.

I would agree that you will find more "working class" kids at SJU than Rose Hill/Lincoln Center.

The Family AGI at Fordham would be "quite a bit more" than our students.

I would also think that you will find a much higher % of first geneeration college students at SJU than Fordham. I don't think any of us are surprised by that.
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. My son was admitted to Fordham but declined. I think tuition, room, and board was 57K, which surprised us. Even with a pretty good scholarship, the tuition was high. They are in a different category academically.

As Father Peter of Villanova said this spring, "When Villanova was founded back around 1840, Augustinians borrowed 18,000 to buy the tract of land where the campus sits today. Today he said, a book costs $18,000.
 
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