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“Silver If we're going to be successful in raising the age from 19 to 20, part and parcel in those negotiations goes to the treatment of players on those college campuses and closing the gap between what their scholarships cover and their expenses. We haven't looked specifically at creating a financial incentive for them to stay in college. That's been an option that has been raised over the years but that's not something that is on the table right now.”
-- Adam Silver, NBA commission
 
Changing the minimum age to 20 will still allow kids who do a post high school year at a prep school to be one and done in college
If you're going to change the rule, require kids to spend a minimum of 2 years in college period
If a kid graduates high school at 17, he would have to stay in college for 3 years if this rule were enacted
Age shouldn't factor into the rule at all IMO - the rule should be a minimum of 2 years in college
 
full story:http://zapy.com/1haAXPZ

excerpt:
“Silver If we're going to be successful in raising the age from 19 to 20, part and parcel in those negotiations goes to the treatment of players on those college campuses and closing the gap between what their scholarships cover and their expenses. We haven't looked specifically at creating a financial incentive for them to stay in college. That's been an option that has been raised over the years but that's not something that is on the table right now.”
-- Adam Silver, NBA commission
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I think they should require them to stay in school for three or four years. I dont think they realize that having all these young inexperienced players in the nba effects the level of play in the nba and really diminishes its quality. There are very very few players who can jump to the nba without several years of experience in my opinion. Of course it gets easier as they continue to fill rosters with young inexperienced players. But it effects the game the fans watch.
 
Other sports allow a young person to go to work, and start making a living. How and why does the NBA have the right to be any different?
 
Other sports allow a young person to go to work, and start making a living. How and why does the NBA have the right to be any different?
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Not true at all
I believe that you must be out of high school for 3 years in order to be eligible for the NFL draft
 
Other sports allow a young person to go to work, and start making a living. How and why does the NBA have the right to be any different?
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It's done by the union to protect the jobs of current employees. I say either let them go straight out or adopt the baseball rules
 
Other sports allow a young person to go to work, and start making a living. How and why does the NBA have the right to be any different?
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It's done by the union to protect the jobs of current employees. I say either let them go straight out or adopt the baseball rules
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I think most of them are straight or, besides Jason Collins, all claim to be.

But seriously, what the kids, their handlers, the coaches and the schools want is irrelevant. NBA is dead set on raising the minimum wage to 20 in the next CBA and they will. I assume they're sick and tired of getting spoiled untrained employees jumping right into the highest levels of their trade and in the process lowering the quality of the product and its marketability. You don't jump right into the CEO chair out of your MBA program. The NFL and NBA use colleges as the only viable training ground/minor league. The NBA really needs a viable US alternative, i.e. a D League that is marketed, attracts fans and pays players a competitive salary. But in the absence of that if a kid doesn't want to go to college, go to Europe. You can make some money. Afraid of foreign languages? Play in Australia or the UK (like Billy Singleton did for a long time). Plenty of options for those that don't see the value in an education.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
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That's an interesting idea. It's not unlike what a lot of teams do with Euros. If they have no pressing needs they can stash them in Europe for free but I'm sure the stipends wouldn't be such that it would be a turnoff.

PS I was watching a D League playoff game last night, just for a few minutes, and the gym they were playing in was awful. No bleachers much less seats. Maybe they were on the camera side. Far lesser than the HS gyms my daughter plays her volleyball games at. It was a home game for the LA Defenders. I think they play in the facility by my wife's office were the Kings and Clippers train. Lots of familiar names.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
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Like someone said, its an interesting idea, but the problem with that is this: if you don't have to declare for the draft, it would in theory mean that everyone who has graduated high school is eligible for the draft. What if a kid doesn't want to play in the NBA? It probably sound strange, but there may be some kids that don't want to play basketball for the rest of their life. Also, what if a player wants to stay in college for all 4 years, but his NBA team wants him after 2? If the team has the rights to him, can they force him to leave college?

Here is my solution.....get rid of all rules regarding an age limit and let anyone declare for the draft. I think people need to realize that these high school "kids" are not really kids, but rather young adults. If they choose to try to go to the NBA and don't make it, oh well....that is their choice. Every high school senior in the country has the exact same choice as they do....college or enter the workforce? And here's the big thing, what is a year of college really doing for these kids anyways? Jabari Parker just declared for the draft. He knows he is going to be a high pick, and in a few months, will be a millionaire. His season is over right now, so do you honestly think that he is wasting his time going to history 101?
 
What if a kid doesn't want to play in the NBA? It probably sound strange, but there may be some kids that don't want to play basketball for the rest of their life.
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That would be up to NBA scouts to earn their money and do their due diligence. There would be no way to force a kid to play if he doesn't ever want to. The contract hasn't been signed yet.

Also, what if a player wants to stay in college for all 4 years, but his NBA team wants him after 2? If the team has the rights to him, can they force him to leave college?
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This one is tougher. I actually thought of this scenario while typing my post, but didn't really have an answer. Much tougher to not be forced to leave early when you do want that NBA career at some point, as opposed to the kid above who already knows he doesn't want to play after college.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
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Like someone said, its an interesting idea, but the problem with that is this: if you don't have to declare for the draft, it would in theory mean that everyone who has graduated high school is eligible for the draft. What if a kid doesn't want to play in the NBA? It probably sound strange, but there may be some kids that don't want to play basketball for the rest of their life. Also, what if a player wants to stay in college for all 4 years, but his NBA team wants him after 2? If the team has the rights to him, can they force him to leave college?

Here is my solution.....get rid of all rules regarding an age limit and let anyone declare for the draft. I think people need to realize that these high school "kids" are not really kids, but rather young adults. If they choose to try to go to the NBA and don't make it, oh well....that is their choice. Every high school senior in the country has the exact same choice as they do....college or enter the workforce? And here's the big thing, what is a year of college really doing for these kids anyways? Jabari Parker just declared for the draft. He knows he is going to be a high pick, and in a few months, will be a millionaire. His season is over right now, so do you honestly think that he is wasting his time going to history 101?
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"Wasting his time going to History 101?" If college is a vocational training school then History 101 may not be of value. If it is part of preparing a diverse population for the shared responsibilities of citizenship, then History 101, and Art History (see Detroit selling off its masterpieces), and all those other non-vocational courses are pretty valuable.
Satayana is a bitch.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
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Like someone said, its an interesting idea, but the problem with that is this: if you don't have to declare for the draft, it would in theory mean that everyone who has graduated high school is eligible for the draft. What if a kid doesn't want to play in the NBA? It probably sound strange, but there may be some kids that don't want to play basketball for the rest of their life. Also, what if a player wants to stay in college for all 4 years, but his NBA team wants him after 2? If the team has the rights to him, can they force him to leave college?

Here is my solution.....get rid of all rules regarding an age limit and let anyone declare for the draft. I think people need to realize that these high school "kids" are not really kids, but rather young adults. If they choose to try to go to the NBA and don't make it, oh well....that is their choice. Every high school senior in the country has the exact same choice as they do....college or enter the workforce? And here's the big thing, what is a year of college really doing for these kids anyways? Jabari Parker just declared for the draft. He knows he is going to be a high pick, and in a few months, will be a millionaire. His season is over right now, so do you honestly think that he is wasting his time going to history 101?
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First, teams would have to vet players to see if they wanted to play. Plenty of Euros get drafted but never make it to an NBA training camp much less play. "Calling Frederic Weis!"

Here's the thing, you think on behalf of the kids, the powers that be think of the quality of the league, the product and the present members of the union. I heard this morning 35% of early entry candidates don't even get drafted. and another 30% or so go in the 2nd round - no guaranteed money. These are not young adults, they're kids getting bad advise from predatory handlers who, if they don't hit it big with this one, will just move on to the next one leaving some kids dreams AND education in the trash heap.

Again, kids who absolutely don't want to go to college have an option to enter the work force in D League or Europe. If Jabari wanted to play in Europe this year instead of Duke he'd have made somewhere between $500K and $1mill, Brandon Jennings was making $400K. (tax free with no living expenses, by the way). That's pretty good pay for training years. As I said in an earlier post, they need a stronger D League to make skipping school without having to leave the country a viable alternative. Those other kids that skip school and enter the workforce don't just jump into the C suite, why should these kids, they're honestly not qualified.

The NBA is not set up for on the job training and vetting of candidates so they'll continue to strengthen the early entry requirements so that they get more finished products as well as more time to evaluate talent, just like any other business would want to.
 
Do away with declaring for the draft -- hold the draft July 1 and let everyone who has graduated high school all the way through college seniors to be draft eligible. Make it so kids have to complete at least two years of college before they can play in the NBA, but make it allowable for kids who have gotten drafted to receive a stipend from the NBA team that chose them.
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Like someone said, its an interesting idea, but the problem with that is this: if you don't have to declare for the draft, it would in theory mean that everyone who has graduated high school is eligible for the draft. What if a kid doesn't want to play in the NBA? It probably sound strange, but there may be some kids that don't want to play basketball for the rest of their life. Also, what if a player wants to stay in college for all 4 years, but his NBA team wants him after 2? If the team has the rights to him, can they force him to leave college?

Here is my solution.....get rid of all rules regarding an age limit and let anyone declare for the draft. I think people need to realize that these high school "kids" are not really kids, but rather young adults. If they choose to try to go to the NBA and don't make it, oh well....that is their choice. Every high school senior in the country has the exact same choice as they do....college or enter the workforce? And here's the big thing, what is a year of college really doing for these kids anyways? Jabari Parker just declared for the draft. He knows he is going to be a high pick, and in a few months, will be a millionaire. His season is over right now, so do you honestly think that he is wasting his time going to history 101?
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These are not young adults, they're kids getting bad advise from predatory handlers who, if they don't hit it big with this one, will just move on to the next one leaving some kids dreams AND education in the trash heap.
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These kids are not victims, so quit making it sound like they are! Are there people out there who are only in it for themselves and don't care about these kids? Absolutely.That's the nature of the business. But is it not the parent's and player's responsibility to associate themselves with the right individual(s)?

Look at it this way, should we feel bad for Sampson when he doesn't get drafted? I mean, 9 out of 10 sources are saying that there is no chance he is getting drafted. But some person out there put it in his head that he will get drafted. So are we to feel sorry for him because he believed the wrong person?
 
Well, yeah, I'll feel a bit sorry for him. Color me human.
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why? show me one article where it even suggests that he might be drafted. All the evidence out there shows that he will not get drafted. If he is too ignorant to believe it, then why should we feel bad for him?
 
Well, yeah, I'll feel a bit sorry for him. Color me human.
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why? show me one article where it even suggests that he might be drafted. All the evidence out there shows that he will not get drafted. If he is too ignorant to believe it, then why should we feel bad for him?
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Plenty of folks are not smart enough or self-aware enough to make the right decision. I feel bad they don't know they're making the wrong decision. On the whole most humans are pretty dumb, if you don't believe it spend more time reading message boards. Better I feel superior to them? I think not.
 
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