Top Recruits/transfers of our last 3 coaches

[monte]

Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

 

[ghostzapper]

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders has a puncher's chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

 

[monte]

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jesse, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders have a punchers chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

Agreed completely. IMO a successful recruiter here, be it Lavin or someone else, has to continue to recruit the heck of of the 4 + 5 star kids, but make the foundation of the team solid 3 star recruits, preferably from local and regional schools. This will help with consistency, stability and continuity, amongst other things. It should not be this difficult to field a team comprised of kids who are capable of contributing at this level, even with injuries, suspensions and kids declaring early and unexpectedly.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Thirty-nine players on that list, spread out over 16 years. How many college All- Americans? Is it 0, or did someone make honorable mention? How many knock down 3 point shooters? 0. How many great rebounders (not just for their size)? 0. How many strong interior scorers? 0. How many sniffed the NBA? Three. How many will have 5 year or more NBA careers? The way Mo is going, O. How many NCAA tournaments? Is it 2 or 3? How many past the first round? 0. Sixteen years! When will this end? The more important question is how will it end. That part is disturbing.

 

[dee]

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders has a puncher's chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

It is nice to have a wait and see attitude, but there is a 99% chance that after Tuesday's game we will be 0-3 in conference play. I dont think it will get any better if things on the team remain the same and the Duke game will turn into a total embarrassment. By February even the players will see the writing on the wall and come out playing like they did in last year's NIT game (as the garden will see fewer and fewer fans) and we all know how that ended. There will be lots of hype during the BE tournament of how they could still make it to the NCAA if they could win it and that too will end unfavorably. I feel very bad for the seniors on this team who were on the road to a storied season and now are sliding down the hill of no return.

 

[monte]

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders has a puncher's chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

It is nice to have a wait and see attitude, but there is a 99% chance that after Tuesday's game we will be 0-3 in conference play. I dont think it will get any better if things on the team remain the same and the Duke game will turn into a total embarrassment. By February even the players will see the writing on the wall and come out playing like they did in last year's NIT game (as the garden will see fewer and fewer fans) and we all know how that ended. There will be lots of hype during the BE tournament of how they could still make it to the NCAA if they could win it and that too will end unfavorably. I feel very bad for the seniors on this team who were on the road to a storied season and now are sliding down the hill of no return.

Still hoping for a return by Sheed, and soon. And even holding out hope that CO and Sheed come back next year. A guy can dream, can't he?

 

[paultzman]

U

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders has a puncher's chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

It is nice to have a wait and see attitude, but there is a 99% chance that after Tuesday's game we will be 0-3 in conference play. I dont think it will get any better if things on the team remain the same and the Duke game will turn into a total embarrassment. By February even the players will see the writing on the wall and come out playing like they did in last year's NIT game (as the garden will see fewer and fewer fans) and we all know how that ended. There will be lots of hype during the BE tournament of how they could still make it to the NCAA if they could win it and that too will end unfavorably. I feel very bad for the seniors on this team who were on the road to a storied season and now are sliding down the hill of no return.

Still hoping for a return by Sheed, and soon. And even holding out hope that CO and Sheed come back next year. A guy can dream, can't he?

Sensing Jordan will return.

 

[monte]

U

Monte wrote: Below is a list of kids who were top 150 recruits(to the best of my memory) and top transfers for our last 3 coaches. I only included kids who actually suited up, regardless of actual contribution. Anyone who continues to claim that its difficult to get kids to come here because we don't have enough to offer only need look at our recent and long term history of attracting talent, even during our most difficult times.


MIKE JARVIS(5 years):
Omar Cook(MCAA)
Elijah Ingraham(MCAA)
Marcus Hatten
Lamont Hamilton
Daryll Hill
Alpha Bangura
Willie Shaw
Kyle Cuffe
Mo Diakate
Eric King
Abe Keita
Cedric Jackson
Rodney Epperson

NORM ROBERTS(6 years):
Dwight Hardy
Anthony Mason Jr
Q Calhoun
Ricky Torres
Larry Wright
Avery Patterson
Justin Burrell
Dele Coker
Paris Horne
DJ Kennedy
Sean Evans
Malik Boothe
Rob Thomas
Justin Browlee
Omari Lawrence

STEVE LAVIN(5 years including this year):
Amir Garrett
Nurideen Lindsay
Moe Harkless
Dom Pointer
PG IV
God’s Gift
Jamal Branch
Chris Obekpa
Jakarr Sampson
Rysheed Jordan
Orlando Sanchez

I think you are right Monte getting some players here is not impossible but there are still levels of that talent and how they get coached that is the biggest factor to success.

At the end of the day our best results under Jarvis came with Fraschilla recruits: Artest, Barkley, Jessie, Thornton and Postell. Jarvis did not do all that much with his own best recruits McDonald's All Americans Cook and Ingraham. While he was a decent game coach he had flaws in his ability to recruit, burn ties locally and did not run a clean program. In the end he set us back quite a bit and that is his St. John's legacy.

Norm's players had some talent and character but never seemed to be that well coached. Ultimately he never brought in big time talent and that was a problem. The bottom line is that while he restored the program's integrity his teams did not win.

Lavin probably did his best work with Norm recruits Kennedy, Hardy, Burrell, Brownlee, Horne, Evans and Boothe (as well as one of his own Polee) in the rotation. Since then he has done just okay with his own recruits (who clearly have talent). However his big recruiting achievement the vaunted nine man class of 2011 have had a very mixed history.

To review: Harkless and Sampson to the NBA too soon to help us turn it around, Pelle never got to college, Lindsay transferred first semester (subsequently replaced by Branch as a transfer), God's Gift had integrity but performed below expectations, Garrett moved on to baseball after being a decent reserve, Branch has been pretty good at times but has generally played below initial expectations, Greene and Pointer have had pretty good four year careers and Harrison has had a great four year career.

Since that class the one big time recruit has been Jordan and that is a story with twists and turns that still is waiting for an ending but with strong concerns at present.

Lavin's regime has not written its final chapter yet but this has been a bad week. Lets see how it plays out before we write this whole year off. Any team with D'Angelo and Dom as their leaders has a puncher's chance. I am cautiously hopeful that we can do something of note still. We are after all only two games into the conference schedule.

As for recruiting going forward things are not looking great today, but I will take a wait and see approach before I say the sky is falling

It is nice to have a wait and see attitude, but there is a 99% chance that after Tuesday's game we will be 0-3 in conference play. I dont think it will get any better if things on the team remain the same and the Duke game will turn into a total embarrassment. By February even the players will see the writing on the wall and come out playing like they did in last year's NIT game (as the garden will see fewer and fewer fans) and we all know how that ended. There will be lots of hype during the BE tournament of how they could still make it to the NCAA if they could win it and that too will end unfavorably. I feel very bad for the seniors on this team who were on the road to a storied season and now are sliding down the hill of no return.

Still hoping for a return by Sheed, and soon. And even holding out hope that CO and Sheed come back next year. A guy can dream, can't he?

Sensing Jordan will return.

Thanks, feeling same thing.