Top 113 Undergrad Biz Schools

 SJU certainly needs to explore how to improve their ranking in those areas. SJU's business school should be a flagship program. No reason SJU should not and cant be in the top 100.
 
Depends on the poll.
Remember the one I posted last year that was based on starting anuual salaries?
STJ came in like 3rd or 4th. 
 
Depends on the poll.
Remember the one I posted last year that was based on starting anuual salaries?
STJ came in like 3rd or 4th. 
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Agree Tom. Those types of rankings tell a bit more real world information about the grads a school is putting out. Still think SJU should aim to crack top 100 in this kid of ranking, which isn't a lofty goal.
 
Depends on the poll.
Remember the one I posted last year that was based on starting anuual salaries?
STJ came in like 3rd or 4th. 
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Although I did have a job waiting for me after graduation, I have to say that the above is a little bit of a skewed statistic. Due to proximity alone, STJ benefits. If UNC or Duke were located 15 minutes from NYC, I'm sure they'd be a lot higher.

There is no reason why STJ should not further strive to crack the top 100. Considering NYC is the biggest business area in the entire world, it should be a lot higher than it is.
 
Hello Tom,

You are so right !

This is the kind of stat the university should be vocal about.

Particularly since most of our students are the first in their families to attend college and the fact that a significant number come from families with AGI's below $50K.  

These are "big" numbers for someone who hasn't had anyone in their family with this type of earning power.

It's not like many of the students at St. John's have a parent who is a partner at Goldman Sachs.

Happy Easter !!
 
Below is a link to the updated 2012 undergrad business school rankings which JSJ posted to start this thread. Under Father Donald J. Harrington's leadership St. John's undergraduate business program lacks any ranking despite the boatload of grads that have enjoyed mega successful business careers. Given the success of the St. John's grads and its location in New York it is hard to understand why such schools as:

-Rochester Institute of Technology,
- Bowling Green,
- Xavier,
- Duquesne,
- St. Joseph's
- Hofstra,
- John Carroll (Tim Russert's undergrad school)
- Quinnipiac,
- Bryant,
- Marquette,
- Loyola Maryland,
- University of St. Louis,
- St. Thomas University (Minn.)
and other seeming relative mid or lightweights that lack the alum and geographic advantage which our beloved St. John's enjoys are ranked in these most recognizable rankings of undergrad business schools yet St. John's lacks any mention and national gravitas.

If my memory serves me the Dean of St. John's Business School bolted to accept a career move to the Norfolk State University. Think about it- the Dean apparently thought that his career could be advanced by moving from St. John's to Norfolk State University.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why St. John's cannot have a recognized undergrad business program while meeting its goal of providing opportunities to the educationally underserved.

LINK:
http://www.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/ugtable_3-20.html
 
Below is a link to the updated 2012 undergrad business school rankings which JSJ posted to start this thread. Under Father Donald J. Harrington's leadership St. John's undergraduate business program lacks any ranking despite the boatload of grads that have enjoyed mega successful business careers. Given the success of the St. John's grads and its location in New York it is hard to understand why such schools as:

-Rochester Institute of Technology,
- Bowling Green,
- Xavier,
- Duquesne,
- St. Joseph's
- Hofstra,
- John Carroll (Tim Russert's undergrad school)
- Quinnipiac,
- Bryant,
- Marquette,
- Loyola Maryland,
- University of St. Louis,
- St. Thomas University (Minn.)
and other seeming relative mid or lightweights that lack the alum and geographic advantage which our beloved St. John's enjoys are ranked in these most recognizable rankings of undergrad business schools yet St. John's lacks any mention and national gravitas.

If my memory serves me the Dean of St. John's Business School bolted to accept a career move to the Norfolk State University. Think about it- the Dean apparently thought that his career could be advanced by moving from St. John's to Norfolk State University.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why St. John's cannot have a recognized undergrad business program while meeting its goal of providing opportunities to the educationally underserved.

LINK:
http://www.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/ugtable_3-20.html
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The previous Dean at Tobin left for a similar job at NSU not as a "step-up" but to be a one hour drive from his "summer home" in Williamsburg where he earned his Masters at William and Mary. At 55, he saw NFS as his last stop before sitting on his porch in Williamsburg. The current Dean is an accountant who, at 63, should retire. She has a good rep as a professor but not credentials to upgrade Tobin's status. I agree with all here that SJ has extended minimal investment in upgrading the School of Business leadership and until Dr. Shoaf retires there will be zero progress.
 
Class of 72,

Your statement is fairly accurate regarding Tobin. The business school's attempt to manage its perception by posting videos and interviews online doesn't address the issue. Tobin has no credible ranking(s) or comparative status anywhere, and Princeton Review doesn't count. Some business schools retain more academic oriented leadership, while others pursue candidates with hard business experience and results in the real world (even with the appropriate credentials). I believe that this latter type of leadership is what Tobin needs to make it to the next level.

It's amazing how the administration behaves as if business school rankings and media perception (in a geographical area with the largest number of business schools per square foot in the country) don't matter. Tobin grads are also competing against graduates of top ranked business schools from out of state, in addition to the globally ranked Columbia, NYU, and the other local candidates (such as Fordham, which I think Tobin is closer to in perception). When the old incumbent administrators are replaced with fresh talent not so removed from the real world, I think we'll see some very big changes.

LXG
 
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