Top 10 Players To Wear A St. John's Uniform
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DieHard Johnny
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please repeat the list Im not a newsday member thanks
MarkRedman
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10. Harry Boykoff
9. Alan Seiden
8. Tony Jackson
7. Sonny Dove
6. Dick McGuire
5. Malik Sealy
4. Mark Jackson
3. Bob Zawoluk
2. Walter Berry
1. Chris Mullin
Saw top 5 play as well as Sonny Dove when I was very young, but don't remember him well. Can't really arque with the list, but the following I'm sure merited consideration:
George Johnson
Ron Artest
Leroy Ellis
Reggie Carter
Marcus Hatten
David Russell
MarkRedman
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I would think that a younger fan would have a very different list than the one that was published
You could add so many other possibilities (ie: Johnny Warren, Mel Davis, Billy Schaeffer, etc)
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I'm not sure if it was a repeat or not, but last night SNY had a show picking the top 10 Big East players of all time (I thought the timing was ironic given the latest developments in the BE). As much fun as the list so was the discussion of who didn't make it and the placement of those who did.
Chris was #2 and Ewing was first, naturally we disagree with the order, but given the great players that have gone through the BE we were certainly privileged to have Chris on our court every night.
Chris was #2 and Ewing was first, naturally we disagree with the order, but given the great players that have gone through the BE we were certainly privileged to have Chris on our court every night.
Agree George Johnson needs to be on list. Would not argue with Ewing over Mullin for #1 as he made 3 final fours and won a NC and dominated games defensively and this from someone who disliked Ewing immensely for his roughhouse tactics. Even Chris would pick Ewing.
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George Johnson - no question he belongs in the top 10. All time SJU rebounder, #6 in scoring. 9 ppg in NBA and 5.6 rebounds. a Fierce warrior with offensive skills.
Ron Artest - Whereas Berry could put the ball in the hole, Artest could do it all - defend, shoot, handle the ball and pass. He could be an impact player even if he didn't score, because he filled a stat sheet. Possibly out most talented player skills and athleticism combined. Probably belongs in the top 5.
Reggie Carter - came so hyped from LI Lutheran and Hawaii, he couldn't possibly live up to billing. Solid performer, but nothing exceptional except perhaps his character and on court demeanor.
David Russell - perhaps the best high wire act on the break in SJU history. Always felt he could have been so much more had he worked on refining his game. Push come to shove, I'd take BIlly Goodwin.
Marcus Hatten - don't think he figures in the conversation, but everyone has there personal favorites and many loved his game.
Leroy Ellis - (RIP in 2012) best one season rebounding avg in SJU history (16.5 reb pg) long NBA career 14 years with a ring and 9.7 ppg and 8.3 rebounds. Didn't see him at SJU, but has to be considered.
How about Kevin Loughery? Who here remembers him at SJU? I remember him as a very good NBA guard, avergaing 15.3 ppg for his career including a career high 22.6. in 68-69. He's got to be in the conversation, no?
DieHard Johnny
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Ewing smoked the johnnys in 1985 3 out of 4 he deserved the the title hoya destroyer he owned wenniington.
I was at the 1st 3 games Berry was the difference in gm 1 at cap center & Louie blew the 2 games at garden by playing moses over jax & not setting plays ag. Gt box & one with the Truth Walter Berry
Lou also did not utilize Ron Rowan at all, a clutch shooter who beat scuse next yr for BE title for us.
John Thompson outcoached Louie which killed mydream at st.j's as a student
The final4 in lexington was a joke bec.Mullin had a hidden injury from partying too much which made Louie so pissed he refused to attend wooden award ceremony for chris mullin.
St,johns underacheived with the bette team being out- coached winning with a better chess game
his hoya defense was the best Ive ever seen in college in ur face hand checking with Ewing back ther blocking everything in the paint. Walter Berry was the only guy who never was rejected by Ewing w his unorthodox lefty shot from his waist .
Agree with most of what your saying, but Berry was a far more finished product then Artest was while each played here. Artest did have a more balanced all around game and he likely would have been an AA had he stuck around for his Junior year, but he didn't. Berry was an impact player from his 1st day here and was the national player of the year his Junior year. I understand that Artest had a far superior NBA career however we are talking about contributions while at SJU. Also loved Billy Goodwin. Postell always reminded me a lot of Goodwin.
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As most of us who saw him play, I was overwhelmed with the offensive firepower Berry brought onto the court. He had some unorthodox left handed moves that were impossible to stop, and while he often seemed out of control with wild spins to the hoop, always released the ball squared up to the basket in perfect form.
I was therefore stunned when Red Auerbach, when questioned on a pre-NBA draft show that reviewed his top picks, had omitted Berry. When questioned why he didn't mention Berry, he said "I don't want him on my team. He doesn't play defense" While Berry could score in the NBA, the lack of overall refinement of his game kept him out of the league. When he went to Spain, coached by Sergio Luyk's dad, he at one point was averaging about 45 per game, which led to a huge to contract, something in the vicinity of $5 million a year. As the story goes, he did receive invitations going forward from NBA teams, but no one would guarantee the kind of money Berry demanded to consider a move. At least that's how the story goes.
As a collegiate, I at the time likened Artest to Magic Johnson, a guy who could beat you in almost every way, and seemed happier to give up the ball to teammates with efficient passes on the break or while craving his way to the hoop. Outside of Mullin, I think he played the game as well as it could be played for his positionwhile at SJU. Jarvis, though was said to have privately been relieved when Artest declared early, privately noting that he was the craziest kid he had ever coached
Saw 9 of the selected men play in a StJ uniform. Never saw Boykoff play but met him in the Garden at the 50th anniversary party when we played and beat UCLA. Harry looked exactly like his photo in the 1947 yearbook, black hair, moustache and all. He looked like he could suit up that evening.
I have no arguement wrth the 10 selected as our best. I also agree with the 10 or so named by the current fan base that should be considered.
. Although he played 2 years, perhaps a reason for his absence from the list, RonRon had ability, court sense, smarts, and the biggest heart I have ever seen. He could take games on his back and win them single handedly. Alan Seiden was like that. If we had 11 bests, Artest should be somewhere around 4-7.
Leroy was dominant because of his size and and a short sweet jump shot. He lasted in the pros for 15 years, a lot because his bright attitude and enthusiasm in practice and on the bench. He has a few rings but Billy Wennington has a few as well and was not always a starter. Wennington or Jayson Williams was our best pure center
Tony Jackson had the best jump shot we had ever seen untill Mullin came along. Neither had the benefit of a three point shot. Both would have averaged 30 with the treble.
McGuire was better than Cousy.Lots of Nyers would agree with that.
I have no arguement wrth the 10 selected as our best. I also agree with the 10 or so named by the current fan base that should be considered.
. Although he played 2 years, perhaps a reason for his absence from the list, RonRon had ability, court sense, smarts, and the biggest heart I have ever seen. He could take games on his back and win them single handedly. Alan Seiden was like that. If we had 11 bests, Artest should be somewhere around 4-7.
Leroy was dominant because of his size and and a short sweet jump shot. He lasted in the pros for 15 years, a lot because his bright attitude and enthusiasm in practice and on the bench. He has a few rings but Billy Wennington has a few as well and was not always a starter. Wennington or Jayson Williams was our best pure center
Tony Jackson had the best jump shot we had ever seen untill Mullin came along. Neither had the benefit of a three point shot. Both would have averaged 30 with the treble.
McGuire was better than Cousy.Lots of Nyers would agree with that.