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The TORCH / Rapper Dave East
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beast of the east
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This story is ridiculous. If Dave East attended a political rally and wanted to express his political views with or without vulgarity, he would be free to do so.
By presuming everyone should agree with them and show their support of his view during an event that initiated our basketball season was inappropriate. It could be argue that if he had done the same a year ago to express a similar view about Barack Obama, a riot could have ensued.
An entertainer is free to express his political opinions, but I believe that they should also not express them in an entertainment forum. By doing so, the captive (and often paying audience) is subjected to an often partisan rant that presumes the audience largely is in agreement. Add to it the vulgar nature of the expression of his political view. Just because it wasn't expressed in our chapel, if any priests were present or not, doesn't diminish how offensive this is.
Let's say his opinion was anti gay. Would it be acceptable for him to encourage students to say "Raise your middle finger to let gays know what you think of them"? Or "Raise your middle finger to let the Catholic Church what you think of it"? Or "Raise your middle finger and let Muslims know what you think of them"?
All of those expressions of opinion are protected by the 1st amendment. The First Amendment, however doesn't protect those expressing their opinions from the consequences of those actions.
My feeling is that the AD should take proactive steps to prevent this sort of thing from occurring again. My guess is that this guy was paid with university funds, but even if he wasn't, his actions are inconsistent with the tone of narrative the university wants to exist on our campus.
By presuming everyone should agree with them and show their support of his view during an event that initiated our basketball season was inappropriate. It could be argue that if he had done the same a year ago to express a similar view about Barack Obama, a riot could have ensued.
An entertainer is free to express his political opinions, but I believe that they should also not express them in an entertainment forum. By doing so, the captive (and often paying audience) is subjected to an often partisan rant that presumes the audience largely is in agreement. Add to it the vulgar nature of the expression of his political view. Just because it wasn't expressed in our chapel, if any priests were present or not, doesn't diminish how offensive this is.
Let's say his opinion was anti gay. Would it be acceptable for him to encourage students to say "Raise your middle finger to let gays know what you think of them"? Or "Raise your middle finger to let the Catholic Church what you think of it"? Or "Raise your middle finger and let Muslims know what you think of them"?
All of those expressions of opinion are protected by the 1st amendment. The First Amendment, however doesn't protect those expressing their opinions from the consequences of those actions.
My feeling is that the AD should take proactive steps to prevent this sort of thing from occurring again. My guess is that this guy was paid with university funds, but even if he wasn't, his actions are inconsistent with the tone of narrative the university wants to exist on our campus.
ManhattAn1
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Spoke to the AD, happens again I am cancelling my season tickets and Red White participation.
Actually, the Torch article is a good, subdued, and reflective piece that enjoins freedom of speech and politics into the same venue. People should be able to express their political views at public events, but overview and censure is required to keep discussions civil. Our rights are not absolute and 'our right' to express them hinge on our behavior.
East went off the reservation with his 'finger' antics and 'F Trump' shouts.
Otherwise, in my view, he has the right, as does Kid Rock, et al, to express their views when they perform.
East went off the reservation with his 'finger' antics and 'F Trump' shouts.
Otherwise, in my view, he has the right, as does Kid Rock, et al, to express their views when they perform.
Oddly, I happened to be at the big mall in South Charlotte today (equiv. to Roosevelt Field Mall) taking our teenage daughter and her friend to Cheesecake Factory for her birthday dinner.
As I wait outside a store for them, I see a medium sized group walking, and in center is tall guy in a pair of sweatspants and t-shirt, with what looked like a bodyguard next to him, and someone taking video from a short distance. I assumed it might have been a non-star player for the Hornets or Panthers etc I did not recognize.
Getting a little closer, I see the tattoos on face and face begins to look somewhat familiar. I do a quick Google Image check on my phone for "Dave East" and sure enough it's him and see he performed in Charlotte last night.
Funny thing, my daughter/friend are in Bath & Body Works.... Some other teenage girls ask me " Is he famous?" "Do you know who that is? "I say it's "Dave East" and they were like "Wow, I can't believe it... are you sure?.. How did you know that?"
Ended up passing him like 3 times over the next hour, and he seemed really low key, taking a few pictures with fans. Someone woman shouted "Dave - I Love you" and he just smiled and gave her a hug"
As I wait outside a store for them, I see a medium sized group walking, and in center is tall guy in a pair of sweatspants and t-shirt, with what looked like a bodyguard next to him, and someone taking video from a short distance. I assumed it might have been a non-star player for the Hornets or Panthers etc I did not recognize.
Getting a little closer, I see the tattoos on face and face begins to look somewhat familiar. I do a quick Google Image check on my phone for "Dave East" and sure enough it's him and see he performed in Charlotte last night.
Funny thing, my daughter/friend are in Bath & Body Works.... Some other teenage girls ask me " Is he famous?" "Do you know who that is? "I say it's "Dave East" and they were like "Wow, I can't believe it... are you sure?.. How did you know that?"
Ended up passing him like 3 times over the next hour, and he seemed really low key, taking a few pictures with fans. Someone woman shouted "Dave - I Love you" and he just smiled and gave her a hug"
beast of the east
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Nice story. David Brewster aka Dave East, played basketball at university of Richmond and Towson, averaging 4.5 points in 16 minutes per game. He still had nba aspirations before turning to hip-hop. His wiki says he sold drugs in nyc to help support himself as late as 2013.
He was friends/teammates with Kevin Durant. The performance was for the recruits, students, and players. One of the hottest artists in the music industry right now.
People get so outraged over this, threaten to give up their season tickets, I just wonder if you guys responded the same way in regard to the Harrington scandal(s). A little more preposterous/serious if you ask me.
beast of the east
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I'm glad you brought that up. I posted dozens of times about Harrington's reported abuses of office, as did others. Harrington was forced from office, never to return. Even in expressing outrage over his actions as president and receipt of gifts from Cecilia Chang, I can also acknowledge his success in improving the campus.
Dave East had no business asking students to make obscene gestures at a basketball rally. Had he done this during a game ad a fan, he'd have been rightfully removed from CA. If you don't believe that, try it yourself at our next home game.
A generation ago Father Cahill was strolling through one if the student lounges when the sju radio station was playing Billy Joel's "Only the goid die young " and heard the lyric "Catholic girls start much too late." He immediately banned the song on campus. Cahill was a huge basketball fan and I could only imagine if dave East had pulled his stunt with Cahill there at midnight madness, the concert woukd have ended early and East woukd have been tossed off campus.