The Talent Issue

Franny80

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I've been reading the many comments post Providence loss and agree with those who believe that we lack high level talent at key positions. 
The first position I see us getting dominated is at the five. Soriano gives his all but lacks the defensive skills and athleticism to compete at the Big East level. As big men develop slowly, it may be a while before he reaches his potential. I like that he plays at a high emotional level but it backfires at times like last night.

The second, and perhaps most important position is at shooting guard. While Mathis is a very good attacking guard and decent defender he cannot be counted on to deliver points off his outside shooting.  Wusu is hot and cold and loves to penetrate but lacks a consistency in shot selection. Coburn is a good outside shooter but is too passive on defense.

This leads us to the forward positions. We have no real power forward who can penetrate and pose a scoring threat. All of our forwards play a soft offensive game. Champagnie is really a 2 guard in the NBA for his 6'6" height and is a mediocre ball handler. Wheeler is the most talented at the forward position and both handles and shoots the ball well but is a very average defender.  The most athletic forward we have is Stanley but he poses no scoring threat at this juncture in his young career..

It remains to be seen if our recruiters have the selling skills to bring in impact players given the mediocre product they have to sell.  The last decent recruiting staff was during the Lavin years which is evident to this day by the number of players having succes overseas.
Due to our obvious lack of offensive talent, this likely will be coach Anderson's first losing season. 
His future next season will be decided by who he is able to retain to build on the experience factor and what transfers he identifies as immediate impact player's.

Finally, while talent is a key factor in winning games, as Michael Jordan once said "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence win championships.”
 
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Fran(Cisco) Dalton post=454707 said:
I've been reading the many comments post Providence loss and agree with those who believe that we lack high level talent at key positions. 
The first position I see us getting dominated is at the five. Soriano gives his all but lacks the defensive skills and athleticism to compete at the Big East level. As big men develop slowly, it may be a while before he reaches his potential. I like that he plays at a high emotional level but it backfires at times like last night.

The second, and perhaps most important position is at shooting guard. While Mathis is a very good attacking guard and decent defender he cannot be counted on to deliver points off his outside shooting.  Wusu is hot and cold and loves to penetrate but lacks a consistency in shoot selection. Coburn is a good outside shooter but is too passive on defense.

This leads us to the forward positions. We have no real power forward who can penetrate and pose a scoring threat. All of our forwards play a soft offensive game. Champagnie is really a 2 guard in the NBA for his 6'6" height and is a mediocre ball handler. Wheeler is the most talented at the forward position and both handle and shoot the ball but is a very average defender.  The most athletic forward we have is Stanley but he poses no scoring threat at this juncture in his young career..

It remains to be seen if our recruiters have the selling skills to bring in impact players given the mediocre product they have to sell.  The last decent recruiting staff was during the Lavin years which is evident to this day by the number of players having succes overseas.
Due to our obvious lack of offensive talent, this likely will be coach Anderson's first losing season. 
His future next season will be decided by who he is able to retain to build on the experience factor and what transfers he identifies as immediate impact player's.

Finally, while talent is a key factor in winning games, as Michael Jordan once said "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence win championships.”

This is a thoughtful post and I agree with everything you wrote.  The one point I would add is that our system is flawed for reasons that have been discussed.  I don’t believe Providence is much more talented than we are but unlike us, they are well coached and make winning plays.  That was evident in last night’s game.
 
 
We miss Pinzon’s versatility big time. He was just starting to get comfortable and would have really added value to our stagnant half court offense.
 
I think we all know Anderson is our coach for at least another 2 seasons- obviously need some positive momentum into end of the year and really look to solidify core development for next season- Posh, Wheeler, Wusu, Pinzon and Soriano to go with Florida kid. Stanley will be a nice 4 year role player.  As someone mentioned in big boy forum- need an impact player or two in portal.. See what “shoes” can pull out of his hat.  Assuming he has targets that want to come home. No one wants to wait another season and most have written off next year as a disaster, but one or two pickups can change teams direction in a hurry.
 
The talent issue is really an arms race.   Watching our guys closely, I'm actually (maybe ridiculously, I don't know) think this year's talent is superior to last years.   We haven't seen Pinzon lately, but from what we've seen his ceiling is way above Dunn's.   I think I would take GW over Mathis, but it's not hands down, considering Williams got hurt a few times when he was showing some consistency and his minutes were limited.   Wheeler I would take every day of the week over Earlington, who played his heart out but is nowhere near the basketball player Aaron is.   The biggest dropoff is at center.  Soriano has the body you want, works really hard, but hasn't provided the offense that Moore did.   I do think that if he works on his game and body, he has a real upside before his playing days end here.  

Stef Smith and maybe even Coburn have more upside at the back end of the paying rotation than what we've had in the past.   Also, I do believe that Stanley is a minutes eater in the future with a higher upside off the bench than we're accustomed to.  Nyiewe is active on defense, and can provide some value in limited minutes, but overall Josh Roberts provided a tiny bit more.

In the meantime, we have lost ground in the arms race.   The Big East is a lot better this season, and without being too obvious, we need to recruit higher level talent through HS and transfer.  No secret, I'm certain CMA knows this and it will be a big part of his ultimate success and failure here.    

I still believe that our best basketball, as in the 2 previous seasons, is ahead of us.
 
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Agree w/ Beast’s points.  U hate to rely on portal, but is a necessary evil until we build enough consistency to sign top 100 HS players.  In Shoes we trust! Big off-season for staff to bring home NYC area kids who are disgruntled elsewhere.
 
I also agree with Beast who is very analytical in his evaluations except the Esahia Nyiwe / Josh Roberts comparison. While I agree in terms of their bench value, Nyiwe is bigger and a better shooter. While listed as 6'10, his wing span is that of a 7 footer and his motor is higher. He is just scratching the surface of his potential imo.
Also, the transfer market will be very critical this Spring if Anderson is the make it to year five. I wouldn't be surprised if the poor NBA draft prospect for Champ also doesn't inspire him to return for his senior year since playing overseas will be there anytime he leaves school.  I don't think making euros early is an issue for him and his family. 
 
 
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Could the talent be better ….sure, but there is certainly enough talent to be far more successful then they have been this season. It really all comes down to the staff. If the talent is lacking, the staff needs to bring in better talent, if the talent is legit, they need to be coached up. Simple concept. I don’t buy the argument that facilities are holding the program back. That was the argument at Marquette until Shaka showed up and brought in some studs and coaching. And the reality is, it’s not about the facilities anymore it’s about the NIL if you are talking about bringing in too talent. 

Having the perk of playing home games at MSG should make up for the facilities or lack thereof on campus. 
 
Clearly against Butler, our front line of Wheeler, Champ and Soriano demonstrates superior talent to the opposition. If the team would play better D in the three and Champ could hit a long range shot or two,  the game would not have been close. 
 
SJU has had dynamic on-ball guards the past few years, but not really any stretch 3/4's which are so important in today's game (and the BE particularly)
 
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