Yes. Stipend went away when the on- campus dorms started ramping up.
The Stipend from the Old Days
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[quote="Room112" post=401961][quote="SJUFAN2" post=401946][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401907]You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.[/quote]
We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.
There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.
1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)[/quote]
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
They were and you are correct. Then we built dorms like most other schools and the stipend disappeared as the players got room and board in lieu of the stipend. Recruiting has gotten harder in nyc as the majority of good players now leave nyc and go to prep schools and who can blame them. But CMA understands that and is playing the hand he was dealt. The 2 nyc high school players he recruited this year are higher rated than the 2 he got last year. Next year it should only continue to improve as the staff will have had 2 full years to forge relationships. Just remember that Steve Pikell at Rutgers has been in the surrounding area a long time between Stoney Brook and Rutgers. It took him 4 seasons of continued improvement at Rutgers to finally get a top 50 kid. Relationships are not built overnight and it takes years to change perceptions. I am convinced it will happen for CMA at SJU.
We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.
There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.
1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)[/quote]
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
They were and you are correct. Then we built dorms like most other schools and the stipend disappeared as the players got room and board in lieu of the stipend. Recruiting has gotten harder in nyc as the majority of good players now leave nyc and go to prep schools and who can blame them. But CMA understands that and is playing the hand he was dealt. The 2 nyc high school players he recruited this year are higher rated than the 2 he got last year. Next year it should only continue to improve as the staff will have had 2 full years to forge relationships. Just remember that Steve Pikell at Rutgers has been in the surrounding area a long time between Stoney Brook and Rutgers. It took him 4 seasons of continued improvement at Rutgers to finally get a top 50 kid. Relationships are not built overnight and it takes years to change perceptions. I am convinced it will happen for CMA at SJU.
[quote="Room112" post=401961][quote="SJUFAN2" post=401946][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401907]You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.[/quote]
We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.
There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.
1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)[/quote]
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
I remember players getting cars when I was at SJU.
We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.
There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.
1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)[/quote]
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
I remember players getting cars when I was at SJU.
[quote="redmannorth" post=401964][quote="Room112" post=401961]
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
They were and you are correct. Then we built dorms like most other schools and the stipend disappeared as the players got room and board in lieu of the stipend. Recruiting has gotten harder in nyc as the majority of good players now leave nyc and go to prep schools and who can blame them. But CMA understands that and is playing the hand he was dealt. The 2 nyc high school players he recruited this year are higher rated than the 2 he got last year. Next year it should only continue to improve as the staff will have had 2 full years to forge relationships. Just remember that Steve Pikell at Rutgers has been in the surrounding area a long time between Stoney Brook and Rutgers. It took him 4 seasons of continued improvement at Rutgers to finally get a top 50 kid. Relationships are not built overnight and it takes years to change perceptions. I am convinced it will happen for CMA at SJU.[/quote]
Players were still receiving stipends towards the end of Jarvis' years but after Pittsburgh the admin demanded the players (that were left) be moved from off campus to on campus housing at the end of the semester and the stipend discontinued. In fact at least for 5-10 years after that folks were saying that if STJ wanted they could still offer the stipend because they percentage of students they dorm fell below a benchmark set by the NCAA that allowed the stipend to be offered. I don't know if that is still the case as I understand the amount of "on-campus" housing continues to go up..
Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.[/quote]
They were and you are correct. Then we built dorms like most other schools and the stipend disappeared as the players got room and board in lieu of the stipend. Recruiting has gotten harder in nyc as the majority of good players now leave nyc and go to prep schools and who can blame them. But CMA understands that and is playing the hand he was dealt. The 2 nyc high school players he recruited this year are higher rated than the 2 he got last year. Next year it should only continue to improve as the staff will have had 2 full years to forge relationships. Just remember that Steve Pikell at Rutgers has been in the surrounding area a long time between Stoney Brook and Rutgers. It took him 4 seasons of continued improvement at Rutgers to finally get a top 50 kid. Relationships are not built overnight and it takes years to change perceptions. I am convinced it will happen for CMA at SJU.[/quote]
Players were still receiving stipends towards the end of Jarvis' years but after Pittsburgh the admin demanded the players (that were left) be moved from off campus to on campus housing at the end of the semester and the stipend discontinued. In fact at least for 5-10 years after that folks were saying that if STJ wanted they could still offer the stipend because they percentage of students they dorm fell below a benchmark set by the NCAA that allowed the stipend to be offered. I don't know if that is still the case as I understand the amount of "on-campus" housing continues to go up..
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="rawdognyc" post=401957]Theoretically this is really his second recruiting class. Trying to retain your upperclassmen and fill some holes with whatever players are left a few months before a semester starts isn't really a true recruiting class in my opinion. Granted, pessimists will always try to find the negative in everything. Zaun is the most negative poster on this board since he got his medium shirt in the mail. Unless we win a game by 90 points, he will find something to bitch about.[/quote]
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.
Players were allowed to do whatever they wanted with the money. Tony Jackson and Leroy Ellis stayed home and commuted by car every day from Brooklyn to Jamaica. They could have purchased the car with the stipend. Most roomed together chipping in for rent which left money for living expenses.
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash left over if players split the rent.
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash left over if players split the rent.
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
Some people here must think that St. John's is the center of the college basketball world. If anyone can recall the last NCAA win, they have a better memory than me. The recruiting advantages St. John's had years ago are gone.
CMA runs a clean program. Some 4 and 5 stars are off the table for that reason alone. Fortunately, Kyle is a good kid from a good family. His recruitment will be a fair process. We have a decent chance here.
St. John's made a wise move by hiring CMA. We finally have a coach who actually can coach. He will win here because winning is what he does everywhere he goes. He will make multiple NCAA tournaments with players that will fight for each win.. i'm not worried about recruiting because I am realistic. and still confident that CMA will win here.
CMA runs a clean program. Some 4 and 5 stars are off the table for that reason alone. Fortunately, Kyle is a good kid from a good family. His recruitment will be a fair process. We have a decent chance here.
St. John's made a wise move by hiring CMA. We finally have a coach who actually can coach. He will win here because winning is what he does everywhere he goes. He will make multiple NCAA tournaments with players that will fight for each win.. i'm not worried about recruiting because I am realistic. and still confident that CMA will win here.
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[quote="Enright" post=401983]Players were allowed to do whatever they wanted with the money. Tony Jackson and Leroy Ellis stayed home and commuted by car every day from Brooklyn to Jamaica. They could have purchased the car with the stipend. Most roomed together chipping in for rent which left money for living expenses.
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash
left over if players split the rent.[/quote]
If they lived in queens, could they stay at their parents house, or they had to rent out one of those places?
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash
left over if players split the rent.[/quote]
If they lived in queens, could they stay at their parents house, or they had to rent out one of those places?
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=401984]Some people here must think that St. John's is the center of the college basketball world. If anyone can recall the last NCAA win, they have a better memory than me. The recruiting advantages St. John's had years ago are gone.
Just going by.what cma himself said: "I want to win a championship.
CMA runs a clean program. Some 4 and 5 stars are off the table for that reason alone. Fortunately, Kyle is a good kid from a good family. His recruitment will be a fair process. We have a decent chance here.
St. John's made a wise move by hiring CMA. We finally have a coach who actually can coach. He will win here because winning is what he does everywhere he goes. He will make multiple NCAA tournaments with players that will fight for each win.. i'm not worried about recruiting because I am realistic.[/quote]
Just going by what cma himself said: "I want to win a championship here."
Just going by.what cma himself said: "I want to win a championship.
CMA runs a clean program. Some 4 and 5 stars are off the table for that reason alone. Fortunately, Kyle is a good kid from a good family. His recruitment will be a fair process. We have a decent chance here.
St. John's made a wise move by hiring CMA. We finally have a coach who actually can coach. He will win here because winning is what he does everywhere he goes. He will make multiple NCAA tournaments with players that will fight for each win.. i'm not worried about recruiting because I am realistic.[/quote]
Just going by what cma himself said: "I want to win a championship here."
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401982][quote="rawdognyc" post=401957]Theoretically this is really his second recruiting class. Trying to retain your upperclassmen and fill some holes with whatever players are left a few months before a semester starts isn't really a true recruiting class in my opinion. Granted, pessimists will always try to find the negative in everything. Zaun is the most negative poster on this board since he got his medium shirt in the mail. Unless we win a game by 90 points, he will find something to bitch about.[/quote]
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.[/quote]
Just for the record. In case you don't realize this, but I'm pretty sure everyone on here knows you are among the biggest st john's fan and supporters like the rest of us. You may disagree on something but does t mean you are any less of a fan than anyone else. Everyone wants the team to win.
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.[/quote]
Just for the record. In case you don't realize this, but I'm pretty sure everyone on here knows you are among the biggest st john's fan and supporters like the rest of us. You may disagree on something but does t mean you are any less of a fan than anyone else. Everyone wants the team to win.
rawdognyc
Well-known member
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401982][quote="rawdognyc" post=401957]Theoretically this is really his second recruiting class. Trying to retain your upperclassmen and fill some holes with whatever players are left a few months before a semester starts isn't really a true recruiting class in my opinion. Granted, pessimists will always try to find the negative in everything. Zaun is the most negative poster on this board since he got his medium shirt in the mail. Unless we win a game by 90 points, he will find something to bitch about.[/quote]
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.[/quote]
LOL. At least you got a refund!!
I don't question whether you're a fan or not. I guess I've always just waited for the results of the season before getting upset about things. I think he proved last year that he can win games with inferior talent. He finished with a winning record (like he has his whole career) with his top 2 players not even coming close to what they're capable of in Heron and LJ. He got the best out of players that probably on most teams are end of bench talent. It shows he knows how to get the best out of players and get them to reach beyond what people thought their potential was. Earlington to me was a prime example of that. I honestly never expected much out of him when he came out of HS. Then after watching him play as a freshman i can honestly say that I was hoping he would transfer after the year. I thought his shots were going to break the backboard a few times. Then you see what great conditioning and good coaching can do for someone. I think we surprise some people this year. I think we can finish 5th or 6th. With winning it makes it easier to get the 4*s. Especially running a clean program.
Correction: never got my shirt believe it or not LOL. That was Dave on JJ by the way not here. Paid him and he never sent it for weeks, so I asked for refund and got $ back. He got embarrassed because I didn't know how the forum really worked at that time on JJ and accidentally posted it publicly. That's the story.
If you guys knew me, you'd think I was obsessed with SJ hoops. I will find a way to squeeze it in after just meeting someone sometimes. I want this program to take off more than anyone. When you want success so badly and the recruiting is not projected to line up with that, it's frustrating especially because CMA really is a good coach. I've said before that I will be very happy with just finishing top half Big East most years and making tourneys 6/10 years even if we don't win a game. Not sure when asking to be Providence College became "he'd complain if we won by 90". I hope coach shuts me up and we have a great season where we make the tourney and knock off BC and Texas Tech en route to an above .500 conf record. We will see what happens. I just know it's much tougher to win like that when your recruits are not as talented as the rest of the conf at least on paper. We will see if these kids are the real deal. Let's hope they are.[/quote]
LOL. At least you got a refund!!
I don't question whether you're a fan or not. I guess I've always just waited for the results of the season before getting upset about things. I think he proved last year that he can win games with inferior talent. He finished with a winning record (like he has his whole career) with his top 2 players not even coming close to what they're capable of in Heron and LJ. He got the best out of players that probably on most teams are end of bench talent. It shows he knows how to get the best out of players and get them to reach beyond what people thought their potential was. Earlington to me was a prime example of that. I honestly never expected much out of him when he came out of HS. Then after watching him play as a freshman i can honestly say that I was hoping he would transfer after the year. I thought his shots were going to break the backboard a few times. Then you see what great conditioning and good coaching can do for someone. I think we surprise some people this year. I think we can finish 5th or 6th. With winning it makes it easier to get the 4*s. Especially running a clean program.
You were able to live at home and pocket the money. The NCAA came up with an average rent plus cost of food and that was what a player received every month. Most players roomed with one or more other players and had a nice amount of spending money.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.
In mid 90's, I recall being told stipend was around $750/mo. Not sure if that included summer.
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[quote="Enright" post=401991]You were able to live at home and pocket the money. The NCAA came up with an average rent plus cost of food and that was what a player received every month. Most players roomed with one or more other players and had a nice amount of spending money.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Why the need to build dorms then? Sju screwed themselves. When you have an advantage you keep Keep it.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Why the need to build dorms then? Sju screwed themselves. When you have an advantage you keep Keep it.
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401993][quote="Enright" post=401991]You were able to live at home and pocket the money. The NCAA came up with an average rent plus cost of food and that was what a player received every month. Most players roomed with one or more other players and had a nice amount of spending money.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Why the need to build dorms then? Sju screwed themselves. When you have an advantage you keep Keep it.[/quote]
Maybe because we are a University not a basketball franchise. LOL
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Why the need to build dorms then? Sju screwed themselves. When you have an advantage you keep Keep it.[/quote]
Maybe because we are a University not a basketball franchise. LOL
Joe Tempesta
Member
I completely agree with your post, I love your glib style, and I appreciate that you can properly rub a verb and a noun together. Oh, and Kyle Cuffe is a cool name.
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=401985][quote="Enright" post=401983]Players were allowed to do whatever they wanted with the money. Tony Jackson and Leroy Ellis stayed home and commuted by car every day from Brooklyn to Jamaica. They could have purchased the car with the stipend. Most roomed together chipping in for rent which left money for living expenses.
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash
left over if players split the rent.[/quote]
If they lived in queens, could they stay at their parents house, or they had to rent out one of those places?[/quote]
If they lived in Montauk they could stay at home if they could take the commute.
You would read that SJU was at a disadvantage in recruiting because of no dorms. Once the dorms were built you would read SJU was at a recruiting disadvantage because of the loss of the stipend. I agreed with the latter. The school had a list of home owners who were willing to rent at reasonable prices which left a good amount of cash
left over if players split the rent.[/quote]
If they lived in queens, could they stay at their parents house, or they had to rent out one of those places?[/quote]
If they lived in Montauk they could stay at home if they could take the commute.
TaQuan Woodley (@T_boogi5) will be announcing his college decision tomorrow. Woodley was a former Penn State commit, but recently decommitted.
Woodley's final five are Georgia, St. John's, Temple, South Carolina, and St. Joe's.
Jake Lieberman
Woodley's final five are Georgia, St. John's, Temple, South Carolina, and St. Joe's.
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JackofVirginia
Active member
[quote="Enright" post=401991]You were able to live at home and pocket the money. The NCAA came up with an average rent plus cost of food and that was what a player received every month. Most players roomed with one or more other players and had a nice amount of spending money.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Certainly an advantage to recruit. Remember seeing the players after the game wearing leather jackets and carrying boom boxes. A lot of them lived in cheap apartments in Jamaica. Some of my baseball teammates who also played varsity basketball got money at each traveling game. Don't know how much since it was in an envelope. We, however, only got $3.00.
SJU, being in a nice area , resulted in what was high living costs and if you wanted to spend your meal money on beer instead of food so be it.
As far as the cars go when Tony and Leroy were attending SJU a good used car was about five hundred dollars and insurance was about one hundred. It was not difficult to finance a car with the stipend. SJU had many athletes from Brooklyn commuting by car to Jamaica in those days.[/quote]
Certainly an advantage to recruit. Remember seeing the players after the game wearing leather jackets and carrying boom boxes. A lot of them lived in cheap apartments in Jamaica. Some of my baseball teammates who also played varsity basketball got money at each traveling game. Don't know how much since it was in an envelope. We, however, only got $3.00.
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