The Season as a Whole

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Some (ok, many) preliminary thoughts on the season.  It isn't over yet, but I think we've seen enough to draw some conclusions.

First, the big picture view: Coming into the season, I thought that the ceiling for this team would be 7th in the league, maybe 6th if everything went right.  So many things in life are a matter of perspective – when you are 1-5 then getting to that area seems as though it would be a tremendous achievement.  When you go on a winning streak and are in striking range of 3rd place and maybe an NCAA bid, falling back to that area seems like a miserable failure. 

But overall, with the team likely to finish someplace between 5th and 7th in the league, from a big picture standpoint I think it has to be counted as a successful season whatever happens from here on out.  That isn’t just record-based, either. 

The performance of Champagnie, Alexander and Wusu gives you confidence the staff has an eye for players who can thrive in their system.  I fully expect that we will find the same for Pinzon, Traore, and Stanley.  The JUCO/transfer scorecard is a bit more mixed (Moore has been a big plus, Cole has been disappointing, and Toro has been non-existent), but I think it’s fair to cut the staff a little slack on that – these are players who they reached for to fill what they perceived as holes in the roster (size, outside shooting) as opposed to freshmen brought in to develop in the program. 

Next, while there is still room for debate about exactly how far the Anderson system can go, there really isn’t room for debate that it’s capable of delivering (at a minimum) what I’ve referred to as Providence/Marquette type results – top half of the league, maybe more in a good year.

So what happened with the roller coaster ride of bad/good/bad?  I attribute the early bad to growing pains, and the good to the team jelling, rewarding Anderson’s patience and teaching, and establishing the starting and second units.  The recent bad has shown a return to the things the team has done poorly all along (stop the ball, defend the post) without being offset by creating turnovers and shooting the ball well from 3.  I think that’s due to a few things. 

One is a stretch of playing teams with senior point guards who were able to handle the pressure.  A related issue is that the league has seen SJU and adjusted, and we haven’t adjusted back.  That shows up in how they handle the pressure defense and in breaking down our guards on the dribble for easy points in the paint.  It also shows up in teams keeping a defender on Champagnie out on the perimeter (which essentially neutralizes him until he develops a better dribble-attack game), laying off Posh and Dunn from the outside, and taking their chances that someone else (Earlington, Wusu, Cole) won’t beat them.  A healthy Williams would make a huge difference, but we don’t have that.  And third, you get the sense in this crazy season that our freshmen have hit the proverbial freshman wall. 

Adding some more personnel (as many have noted) would definitely help with the equation, but Anderson has some work to do here too.  My primary concern when he was hired was the halfcourt offense.  It’s all well and good to try to get teams to run with you (and with more players and more experience I think that is only going to become more effective), but sooner or later you are going to have to survive a halfcourt game.  We need to add something to the arsenal that is designed to free players for open looks, as opposed to swinging the ball around looking for a matchup to exploit. 

A concern I did NOT expect to have, but which has risen to the top, is the fundamental defense, which has been atrocious from the beginning of the year.  There were a couple of exceptions during the win streak, but overall it’s difficult to win if your guards are incapable of stopping the dribble, your bigs don’t rotate, and nobody has any clue at all about how to play post defense.  Admittedly we are light on post personnel, but that is no excuse for being absolutely clueless about how to defend down low.

As far as the players go, most of this isn’t ground-breaking:

Champagnie: The next step is being able to put the ball on the floor and get his own shot. If he’s going to be a go-to guy in the league, he has to find a way to create points, not just take them when they are there to be taken.

Alexander:  Spend the summer shooting 3s.  Work on a pull-up jumper in the lane.  Pay more attention to staying in front of your man after the ball gets over halfcourt. 

Wusu:  Work on the outside shot and body control on the drive.  By now you know that if you touch somebody, they’re going to call the foul on you.  Work on avoiding the contact where possible. 

Moore:  Keep polishing the mid-range jumper until its deadly.  Practice the 3 also.  Hit the weight room.  Work on post moves and post defense.

Williams: Take up yoga. Work on your mindset to be more aggressive when you have the ball.  It isn’t being selfish, it’s helping the team.

McGriff:  Figure out why Coach doesn’t play you and fix it. 

Earlington:  Keep being the Junkyard Dog, and keep practicing the 3 pointer.

Roberts:  A short-range jumper would do you a world of good.

Cole:  Do what you can about the foot speed.  Play as much as you can against higher-level competition. 

Dunn: Keep working on that midrange jumper. 

Yes I know that was long.  Sue me. 
 
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The coaching staff has to get one (if not two) immediately eligible transfer big(s) that can rebound the damn basketball. Cant have teams like Villanova (with zero good low post power players) play volley ball off boards against you.  
 
lawmanfan" post=421748 said:
Some (ok, many) preliminary thoughts on the season.  It isn't over yet, but I think we've seen enough to draw some conclusions.

First, the big picture view: Coming into the season, I thought that the ceiling for this team would be 7th in the league, maybe 6th if everything went right.  So many things in life are a matter of perspective – when you are 1-5 then getting to that area seems as though it would be a tremendous achievement.  When you go on a winning streak and are in striking range of 3rd place and maybe an NCAA bid, falling back to that area seems like a miserable failure. 

But overall, with the team likely to finish someplace between 5th and 7th in the league, from a big picture standpoint I think it has to be counted as a successful season whatever happens from here on out.  That isn’t just record-based, either. 

The performance of Champagnie, Alexander and Wusu gives you confidence the staff has an eye for players who can thrive in their system.  I fully expect that we will find the same for Pinzon, Traore, and Stanley.  The JUCO/transfer scorecard is a bit more mixed (Moore has been a big plus, Cole has been disappointing, and Toro has been non-existent), but I think it’s fair to cut the staff a little slack on that – these are players who they reached for to fill what they perceived as holes in the roster (size, outside shooting) as opposed to freshmen brought in to develop in the program. 

Next, while there is still room for debate about exactly how far the Anderson system can go, there really isn’t room for debate that it’s capable of delivering (at a minimum) what I’ve referred to as Providence/Marquette type results – top half of the league, maybe more in a good year.

So what happened with the roller coaster ride of bad/good/bad?  I attribute the early bad to growing pains, and the good to the team jelling, rewarding Anderson’s patience and teaching, and establishing the starting and second units.  The recent bad has shown a return to the things the team has done poorly all along (stop the ball, defend the post) without being offset by creating turnovers and shooting the ball well from 3.  I think that’s due to a few things. 

One is a stretch of playing teams with senior point guards who were able to handle the pressure.  A related issue is that the league has seen SJU and adjusted, and we haven’t adjusted back.  That shows up in how they handle the pressure defense and in breaking down our guards on the dribble for easy points in the paint.  It also shows up in teams keeping a defender on Champagnie out on the perimeter (which essentially neutralizes him until he develops a better dribble-attack game), laying off Posh and Dunn from the outside, and taking their chances that someone else (Earlington, Wusu, Cole) won’t beat them.  A healthy Williams would make a huge difference, but we don’t have that.  And third, you get the sense in this crazy season that our freshmen have hit the proverbial freshman wall. 

Adding some more personnel (as many have noted) would definitely help with the equation, but Anderson has some work to do here too.  My primary concern when he was hired was the halfcourt offense.  It’s all well and good to try to get teams to run with you (and with more players and more experience I think that is only going to become more effective), but sooner or later you are going to have to survive a halfcourt game.  We need to add something to the arsenal that is designed to free players for open looks, as opposed to swinging the ball around looking for a matchup to exploit. 

A concern I did NOT expect to have, but which has risen to the top, is the fundamental defense, which has been atrocious from the beginning of the year.  There were a couple of exceptions during the win streak, but overall it’s difficult to win if your guards are incapable of stopping the dribble, your bigs don’t rotate, and nobody has any clue at all about how to play post defense.  Admittedly we are light on post personnel, but that is no excuse for being absolutely clueless about how to defend down low.

As far as the players go, most of this isn’t ground-breaking:

Champagnie: The next step is being able to put the ball on the floor and get his own shot. If he’s going to be a go-to guy in the league, he has to find a way to create points, not just take them when they are there to be taken.

Alexander:  Spend the summer shooting 3s.  Work on a pull-up jumper in the lane.  Pay more attention to staying in front of your man after the ball gets over halfcourt. 

Wusu:  Work on the outside shot and body control on the drive.  By now you know that if you touch somebody, they’re going to call the foul on you.  Work on avoiding the contact where possible. 

Moore:  Keep polishing the mid-range jumper until its deadly.  Practice the 3 also.  Hit the weight room.  Work on post moves and post defense.

Williams: Take up yoga. Work on your mindset to be more aggressive when you have the ball.  It isn’t being selfish, it’s helping the team.

McGriff:  Figure out why Coach doesn’t play you and fix it. 

Earlington:  Keep being the Junkyard Dog, and keep practicing the 3 pointer.

Roberts:  A short-range jumper would do you a world of good.

Cole:  Do what you can about the foot speed.  Play as much as you can against higher-level competition. 

Dunn: Keep working on that midrange jumper. 

Yes I know that was long.  Sue me. 
Quite fair, no litigation required :)
 
lawmanfan, very fair assessment, but points taken off non historia succingi......../media/kunena/emoticons/tongue.png
 
While Lawman is correct about his off-season assignments for each player, I prefer bringing in players that are already good at those things. Turning non shooters into shooters is a difficult task. I expect Posh and Wusu to improve a lot, especially in their decision making, but does either strike anyone as potentially a good shooter?  The summers drinking milkshakes and hitting the weight room is imoprtant for guys like Moore, but fighting the battle against body type and genetics is usually a losing one.

Still, I like a lot about this team as is. I would not trade Champagnie for anyone in the league. Posh is already good and will get better.  We know what Moore can do well. However, I don't what him to believe, like Tariq Owens did, that he is a jump shooter. Talent wins out. Every Hall of Fame coach won with great players who showed that greatness in high school. We need a few of those.

 
 
Lawman, Ray Morgan , Bill all excellent posts !  You guys hit a lot of Nails on the head .   I think we can give CMA a tip of the Cap for the job he's done with this team.  Struggling against MAAC opponents early and then the horrific 1-5 start led us to believe we were headed for another season challenging DePaul for last place .  But , he got the team righted and we played well from that long onward , until the Butler loss . A very bad one as it turns out . Blowing the game with 8 seconds left !  Beating X was good , losing to DePaul at home was a total breakdown . The Nova rout wasn't unexpected but , never being competitive was !   Disheartening to say the least .  There are 2 things that in my mind standout as the season winds down .  First , these recent 2 losses again, show our Talent throughout the Roster still isn't BE deep . And , up to now , Coach has competed well with 2 Very Good players and 6 Role Players . And , CMA's style of the pressure defense , when it works , can be easily dismantled when the turnovers don't come . Nova had Moore bring the ball upcourt instead of Gillespie and that negated Posh turning him over . . It was a simple strategy but , broke down a key part of our game plan . Basically making Gillespie a SG and not a PG . Moore had no trouble getting the ball upcourt and then they broke us down off the dribble or shooting from outside and rebounding us into submission .         The Talent Gap is again a issue moving forward and not acknowledging it , gives us false hope for next year . Our needs ?  A decent post player who can score and rebound a little . A 5 th year player ? Start scouting now , Coach .                  Next , our team speed in the froncourt is slow . Champ isn't explosive off the dribble and he does need work on his handle . Cole is very slow , weak handle , poor passer but , can shoot as a off the bench player . When Coach puts him in . Williams , to me is still not 100 percent . Even though he's trying hard . He's getting g beat off the dribble and doesn't seem comfortable going to the hoop as he normally does . But , I digress . We desperately need that 6'3" inch Shooting guard that can also get to the Rim . Again, scour the entire Country , transfer wires , etc for that 5 th year player . Even if he doesn't fit all of Coach's criteria . 
 
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All of the foregoing are excellent points.  Continue the evident incremental improvement and we'll see more successx.

Love the professiional approach of Coach and his staff.  Refreshing and confidence instilling.

 
 
Anyone who has watched even a couple of SJU games realizes that a rim protector for Anderson's pressure defense is lacking and that player and one more is needed to defend the paint against opponents half court offense. That was the situation last year and remains the same this year. No one on the current roster is going to be able to provide that missing ingredient next year either.
Yet ninety five per cent of the players listed in next years possible recruits are either small guards or shooting guards. I hope the staff has some tough rebounding big men ready to transfer in prior to next season.
 
Brandon Tierney

"St. John's absolutely has to find a legit banger inside. Someone with meat, not just height. A nasty, elbow-throwing, pick-setting, rebound-grabbing throwback. Not a ton of those types floating around in '21, but they need to locate one. Must address."

 
 
Paultzman" post=421761 said:
Brandon Tierney

"St. John's absolutely has to find a legit banger inside. Someone with meat, not just height. A nasty, elbow-throwing, pick-setting, rebound-grabbing throwback. Not a ton of those types floating around in '21, but they need to locate one. Must address."
           Scour the ends of the World . Check all 5 year 6'10" 240 lbs people .   Europe , Africa , Asia , Arctic Circle , SAmerica , Australia , South Pole ! 

 
 
Don't mean to just focus on the bad, but here is my opinion on teams biggest weaknesses!

No Interior play or presence -  on both offense and defense. I don't believe I have seen one good post up move or someone fighting for position to receive a pass in the post and execute a back to the basket play.  On defense, no defensive post presence, horrible rotations and no lane cloggers.  Wusu's hard foul yesterday might have been the most physical play we have seen all season on anyone driving the lane - its usually a clean sailing to basket.

Ballhandling - honestly, this stands out to me every game - in general all of our players are sub-par ballhandlers - even Posh.  One of the reasons we have a hard time penetrating defenses, we constantly fumble and lose control of the ball in lane.  When we are not hitting outside shots, driving to the hoop is critical, can't do that well if you can't control ball.

Defensive Switching - Can't count the number of times our guards get posted up because we too easily switch up on defense - causes mis-matches on interior or having big chase down a 3pt shooter.  


 
 
Paultzman wrote: 
Brandon Tierney

"St. John's absolutely has to find a legit banger inside. Someone with meat, not just height. A nasty, elbow-throwing, pick-setting, rebound-grabbing throwback. Not a ton of those types floating around in '21, but they need to locate one. Must address."

Xavier and other schools do a great job of finding bigs, sometimes from JUCO market, sometimes as transfers even from Div II schools; just no reason in hell we can't find them if we really look.  
 
Enright" post=421760 said:
Anyone who has watched even a couple of SJU games realizes that a rim protector for Anderson's pressure defense is lacking and that player and one more is needed to defend the paint against opponents half court offense. That was the situation last year and remains the same this year. No one on the current roster is going to be able to provide that missing ingredient next year either.
Yet ninety five per cent of the players listed in next years possible recruits are either small guards or shooting guards. I hope the staff has some tough rebounding big men ready to transfer in prior to next season.

I think Niywe is supposed to be that guy. But,  a grad transfer big to take Roberts place to go along with Niywe and Stanley is definitely needed. 
 
 
SLYFOXX1968" post=421762 said:
Paultzman" post=421761 said:
Brandon Tierney

"St. John's absolutely has to find a legit banger inside. Someone with meat, not just height. A nasty, elbow-throwing, pick-setting, rebound-grabbing throwback. Not a ton of those types floating around in '21, but they need to locate one. Must address."
           Scour the ends of the World . Check all 5 year 6'10" 240 lbs people .   Europe , Africa , Asia , Arctic Circle , SAmerica , Australia , South Pole ! 


Omar Stanley is listed at 6'8 245. I think he's supposed to be that guy. Like a Tyrone Grant type player. 


 
 
Mean Gene" post=421770 said:
SLYFOXX1968" post=421762 said:
Paultzman" post=421761 said:
Brandon Tierney

"St. John's absolutely has to find a legit banger inside. Someone with meat, not just height. A nasty, elbow-throwing, pick-setting, rebound-grabbing throwback. Not a ton of those types floating around in '21, but they need to locate one. Must address."
           Scour the ends of the World . Check all 5 year 6'10" 240 lbs people .   Europe , Africa , Asia , Arctic Circle , SAmerica , Australia , South Pole ! 


Omar Stanley is listed at 6'8 245. I think he's supposed to be that guy. Like a Tyrone Grant type player. 

Maybe we can get Ty to work with Omar during the summer.



 
 
Ray Morgan" post=421755 said:
While Lawman is correct about his off-season assignments for each player, I prefer bringing in players that are already good at those things. Turning non shooters into shooters is a difficult task.


 

Ray, I prefer to have an expert cook my ribeye for me at Bryant & Cooper, but since it's a special treat to go out to eat there, more often than not I have to go buy a steak and grill it myself.  If you don't have NBA-ready 5-star prospects like Kentucky, it's possible for a good staff to find players with potential and to develop them.

I agree that you can't make a non-shooter into a shooter, but shooting and other skills can definitely be improved with proper coaching, discipline and practice.  There aren't any finished products coming out of high school - and truthfully there aren't that many finished products coming out of college.  The NBA is drafting on potential, and our staff is clearly also recruiting based on potential.

Let's look at Julian year 1 vs year 2:

MPG: 25.6 to 32.3
FG% 45.3% to 43.8%
3 Pt% 31.2% to 40.1%
FT% 75.4% to 89%
Reb 6.5 to 7.2
Asst 0.8 to 1.3
Blk 0.8 to 1.1
Pts 9.9 to 20 (!)

Now clearly he was a good shooter from mid-range to begin with - his overall FG % is actually down fractionally from last year to this year.  However he did expand his range to 3 point territory - and not only that, substantially improved his accuracy from that distance.  He also stepped up almost every other aspect of his game.

It would not surprise me in the least if you see Wusu take a Champagnie-esque jump from Year 1 to Year 2.  And although he has been in a shooting slump lately, Posh went from a non-shooter to having a stretch where he was hitting them well enough.  I fully expect that shot to be more of a weapon for him next year, along with a pull up jumper in the lane.

You know the saying - the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.  I know we have lost sight of the concept of player development because our prior staffs were not great cooks, but I'm pretty sure this group knows their way around the kitchen.
 
 
Haven't had someone that could come over from the weak side and block shots since Owens/Obepka... 

glaring need when you overplay the ball and cheat like we do 
 
The lows were really low, but certainly not the lowest we've seen. The highs were pretty high, but also not the highest we've seen. When we're good we've been fun, which is all I want to see during a rebuild. Rebuilding and plodding sucks and seriously tests your loyalty to a team.

We've already got a PG who looks like he can lead a deep run if you surround him with better pieces. Overall I'm happy because I think I can see the bigger picture. There will be some casualties, which sucks for some kids, but they'll get more mpg at other schools.
 
I hope we can keep the core from this year to next year meaning we dont lose anyone transferring to another school. If we have a decent class next year that will be a really solid foundation to build on and move up. The worry I have with the current transfer portal situation so many players just keep moving around. I hope Coach Anderson keeps our core together next year
 
Team defense breaks down when your bigs cannot contain their men without help from guards collapsing.   Whether we lacked size, or speed, or strength down low, there were too many easy points scored in the paint.

Bigs also help correct mistakes when smaller players get beat on the drive.

I think our ball handling overall was adequate and don't see that as a problem.

In general, basketball is an unforgiving game when it comes to lack of height.   Guards are a dime a dozen, and there are hundreds of talented guards playing in the g league and overseas that have more overall ability than some 6'10 guys in the nba.    

The real recruiting wars are over talented bigs, and it's where we must win our share to become an upper echelon team.
 
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