The other standard

[fuchsia]

I had a long talk about St. John's with a friend who is a well-respected basketball coach. My main question was one I asked on this board, "Can the 40 minutes of hell pressure defense system work against Big East Level play with big men who can pass and multiple shooters who can hit threes?" His answer was that St. John's needs better players and to spend more time practicing offense.

I had a second question that related to something in our past at STJ. My main awareness of Rick Pitino is of the Knick coach whose team deteriorated after the loss of Mark Jackson in the Charles Smith trade and of the Celtics coach who tried to not focus on defense. But my question was about something at STJ. Does Pitino throw his players under the bus for the sake of winning? Is winning all that matters to him? The moment I am proudest of in terms of STJ demonstrating care and loyalty to its players was Steve Lavin coming in as the new coach and making sure that the shell of a basketball player "worst knee injury ever seen in the history of STJ" and history of dyslexia named Rob Thomas finished his degree with full support of the STJ community.

If we wind up with Pitino and he treats himself as more important than the young men under his care, he will go on my Mike Jarvis "screwed the pooch" list of worst STJ coaches.

 

[bamafan]

Thanks for raining on our parade.

 

[redfazed]

But my question was about something at STJ. Does Pitino throw his players under the bus for the sake of winning? Is winning all that matters to him? The moment I am proudest of in terms of STJ demonstrating care and loyalty to its players was Steve Lavin coming in as the new coach and making sure that the shell of a basketball player "worst knee injury ever seen in the history of STJ" and history of dyslexia named Rob Thomas finished his degree with full support of the STJ community.

If we wind up with Pitino and he treats himself as more important than the young men under his care, he will go on my Mike Jarvis "screwed the pooch" list of worst STJ coaches.

You don’t win 2 national championships with two different teams and make it to the final four with a third team if you’re throwing your players under the bus. The guy knows what he’s doing, to put it mildly.

 

[Larry Wright]

Jackson got traded for Charles Smith when Riley was coach.
Pitino was a very good Knicks coach. Made playoffs both years and took Jordan to game 7
Left because didn’t get along with old redneck GM

 

[MainMan]

There was probably no one more instrumental to Mark Jackson's NBA success than Pitino.

A rookie coach gave a rookie point guard the car keys and told him to gun it

 

[firestorm]

I had a long talk about St. John's with a friend who is a well-respected basketball coach. My main question was one I asked on this board, "Can the 40 minutes of hell pressure defense system work against Big East Level play with big men who can pass and multiple shooters who can hit threes?" His answer was that St. John's needs better players and to spend more time practicing offense.

I had a second question that related to something in our past at STJ. My main awareness of Rick Pitino is of the Knick coach whose team deteriorated after the loss of Mark Jackson in the Charles Smith trade and of the Celtics coach who tried to not focus on defense. But my question was about something at STJ. Does Pitino throw his players under the bus for the sake of winning? Is winning all that matters to him? The moment I am proudest of in terms of STJ demonstrating care and loyalty to its players was Steve Lavin coming in as the new coach and making sure that the shell of a basketball player "worst knee injury ever seen in the history of STJ" and history of dyslexia named Rob Thomas finished his degree with full support of the STJ community.

If we wind up with Pitino and he treats himself as more important than the young men under his care, he will go on my Mike Jarvis "screwed the pooch" list of worst STJ coaches.

All good and fair points. I'll choose to believe Pitino (and St. John's) will treat the student-athletes with the proper care and considerations until they prove otherwise.

 

[Larry Wright]

There was probably no one more instrumental to Mark Jackson's NBA success than Pitino.

A rookie coach gave a rookie point guard the car keys and told him to gun it

Bomb squad Knicks might be my favorite Knick team

 

[ras]

He seems to be doing the right things at Iona.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

He seems to be doing the right things at Iona.

Many of the most successful College BB Coaches are focused on Winning . That being said , many in that category appear to be strict Motivators and to the casual fan , might seem a bit harsh . Bobby Knight regularly yelled at his players and more but , if you question any of them who played for him , they almost universally loved the guy as did Indiana fans . Coach K didn’t demonstrate love on the sidelines , nor did Boeheim , Calhoun , Roy Williams , Self , Huggy , etc . Pitino is also a intense Coach on the sidelines

 

[Joedib]

I know guys who played for Pitino. He is beloved by his former players. For those who can’t make it professionally on the next level, he has helped them get staff and coaching positions on the college level. He always has former players on his own staff. This issue is not a concern.

 

[SJUWillRockNYC]

Many of the most successful College BB Coaches are focused on Winning . That being said , many in that category appear to be strict Motivators and to the casual fan , might seem a bit harsh . Bobby Knight regularly yelled at his players and more but , if you question any of them who played for him , they almost universally loved the guy as did Indiana fans . Coach K didn’t demonstrate love on the sidelines , nor did Boeheim , Calhoun , Roy Williams , Self , Huggy , etc . Pitino is also a intense Coach on the sidelines

The great ones demand perfection.

 

[billthetruth]

I had a long talk about St. John's with a friend who is a well-respected basketball coach. My main question was one I asked on this board, "Can the 40 minutes of hell pressure defense system work against Big East Level play with big men who can pass and multiple shooters who can hit threes?" His answer was that St. John's needs better players and to spend more time practicing offense.

I had a second question that related to something in our past at STJ. My main awareness of Rick Pitino is of the Knick coach whose team deteriorated after the loss of Mark Jackson in the Charles Smith trade and of the Celtics coach who tried to not focus on defense. But my question was about something at STJ. Does Pitino throw his players under the bus for the sake of winning? Is winning all that matters to him? The moment I am proudest of in terms of STJ demonstrating care and loyalty to its players was Steve Lavin coming in as the new coach and making sure that the shell of a basketball player "worst knee injury ever seen in the history of STJ" and history of dyslexia named Rob Thomas finished his degree with full support of the STJ community.

If we wind up with Pitino and he treats himself as more important than the young men under his care, he will go on my Mike Jarvis "screwed the pooch" list of worst STJ coaches.

We need to win and be relevant quickly or we are on the verge of extinction in an ultra competitive Big East. plain and simple. Father Shanley knows that and is acting swiftly. We are losing generations of students who become nonparticipating alumni. They walk away from their days as students having no connection to anything successful with this basketball program. So they don’t care and then don’t donate.

Pitino is coaching college basketball not celebrating Sunday mass.

This holier than thou attitude needs to end or we should just fold up the tent.

 

[Henry050120]

Great point Bill. He comes and all boats rise

 

[kranmars]

Great point Bill. He comes and all boats rise

They may not all rise. But at least Pitino will navigate the SJU Titanic.

 

[billthetruth]

Great point Bill. He comes and all boats rise

Im sick and tired walking out of the Big East Tournament for 20+years as the brunt of the jokes of other fan bases who other than UCONN and Butler are fanbases of Catholic schools to boot.

We have to start acting more Xavier and less like our mom dads and grandparents St. John’s.

This is 2023 not 1985. It is a multibillion business not 8th grade CYO.

The mentality has to change and Father Shanley seems to be planting the seeds and possibly using miracle-gro (HOF coach) to see it grow fast.

 

[RedStormRising]

I had a long talk about St. John's with a friend who is a well-respected basketball coach. My main question was one I asked on this board, "Can the 40 minutes of hell pressure defense system work against Big East Level play with big men who can pass and multiple shooters who can hit threes?" His answer was that St. John's needs better players and to spend more time practicing offense.

I had a second question that related to something in our past at STJ. My main awareness of Rick Pitino is of the Knick coach whose team deteriorated after the loss of Mark Jackson in the Charles Smith trade and of the Celtics coach who tried to not focus on defense. But my question was about something at STJ. Does Pitino throw his players under the bus for the sake of winning? Is winning all that matters to him? The moment I am proudest of in terms of STJ demonstrating care and loyalty to its players was Steve Lavin coming in as the new coach and making sure that the shell of a basketball player "worst knee injury ever seen in the history of STJ" and history of dyslexia named Rob Thomas finished his degree with full support of the STJ community.

If we wind up with Pitino and he treats himself as more important than the young men under his care, he will go on my Mike Jarvis "screwed the pooch" list of worst STJ coaches.

I think we answered the question, can you win with 40 minutes of hell. The answer is yes, unfortunately it was Marquette, Shaka Smart, and Havoc that proved it.

The second question is the most important. And the reason I don’t think Pitino is a good hire. He is a smarmy guy, talks out of both sides of his mouth, and so far managed to remain Teflon way it comes to accountability. When we hired Mike Anderson, Pitino’s name game up in a lot of articles. I think it was Jersey’s star ledger that said ‘with Pitino you have a good chance of raising a banner, but an equally good chance of having to take it down again’. At 71 at the start of the season with Rick Pitino there is too high a chance, in my opinion, that history repeats itself and Pitino gets out of the way only to have the piano land on us.

At the end of the day, though I’d rather be happy than right. So if Pitino does come here, I hope he wins a lot of games and stays clean (or hides things real well).

 

[njfan]

Honestly this is an illogical unintelligent thread.