The Coming Disruption / NYU Professor Scott Galloway
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Good article. In virtually every other sector there have been consolidations and mergers, and very few players. In healthcare hospitals not only became part of networks, but all related services and levels of care from physician practices to nursing homes, etc. There are only a handful of computer hardware makers, and microsoft and apple control computer software. Education can go the same route, with prestigious schools leveraging their name to expand across the U.S.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396857]Good article. In virtually every other sector there have been consolidations and mergers, and very few players. In healthcare hospitals not only became part of networks, but all related services and levels of care from physician practices to nursing homes, etc. There are only a handful of computer hardware makers, and microsoft and apple control computer software. Education can go the same route, with prestigious schools leveraging their name to expand across the U.S.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Very good article, but I take exception to the writer calling BC only a "good" school! lol
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Very good article, but I take exception to the writer calling BC only a "good" school! lol
Interesting but exaggerated focus in my opinion. Education has already gone through a massive online shift even before the pandemic. You can already take Harvard and MIT courses online for free via edx. This has been around for quite a while and it already offers "micro degrees" It is significant and I appreciate it but it isn't the paradigm shift this article makes it out to be.
The real paradigm shift that can (it's the "pain point" that Silicon Valley investors require) and needs to happen, and again already widely discussed over the past several years "Education Bubble" is financial not a campus vs virtual issue. Way too much politics/ ideology and profiteering, drives higher education while students are now the modern indentured servitude via the student loan system. That has to stop.
The other thing is, while parents are more concerned, I can attest to the fact that college kids largely don't care about corona virus and many of them will never be satisfied with virtual learning. Despite the real and exaggerated depiction of young people hyper-focused on social media, they want to be out in the world experiencing things in new environments, and forging their path. This runs the gamut from party focused college students to more serious academic students. They don't see it as relevant to them. I'm not saying they are all irresponsible, but even excluding the extremes like the virus parties, for the past 6 months I've heard so many stories via my kids and the news about the blasé attitudes of so many kids including things like attending crammed music festivals and going to campus after testing positive and not telling anyone.
The real paradigm shift that can (it's the "pain point" that Silicon Valley investors require) and needs to happen, and again already widely discussed over the past several years "Education Bubble" is financial not a campus vs virtual issue. Way too much politics/ ideology and profiteering, drives higher education while students are now the modern indentured servitude via the student loan system. That has to stop.
The other thing is, while parents are more concerned, I can attest to the fact that college kids largely don't care about corona virus and many of them will never be satisfied with virtual learning. Despite the real and exaggerated depiction of young people hyper-focused on social media, they want to be out in the world experiencing things in new environments, and forging their path. This runs the gamut from party focused college students to more serious academic students. They don't see it as relevant to them. I'm not saying they are all irresponsible, but even excluding the extremes like the virus parties, for the past 6 months I've heard so many stories via my kids and the news about the blasé attitudes of so many kids including things like attending crammed music festivals and going to campus after testing positive and not telling anyone.
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=396865]Interesting but exaggerated focus in my opinion. Education has already gone through a massive online shift even before the pandemic. You can already take Harvard and MIT courses online for free via edx. This has been around for quite a while and it already offers "micro degrees" It is significant and I appreciate it but it isn't the paradigm shift this article makes it out to be.
The real paradigm shift that can (it's the "pain point" that Silicon Valley investors require) and needs to happen, and again already widely discussed over the past several years "Education Bubble" is financial not a campus vs virtual issue. Way too much politics/ ideology and profiteering, drives higher education while students are now the modern indentured servitude via the student loan system. That has to stop.
The other thing is, while parents are more concerned, I can attest to the fact that college kids largely don't care about corona virus and many of them will never be satisfied with virtual learning. Despite the real and exaggerated depiction of young people hyper-focused on social media, they want to be out in the world experiencing things in new environments, and forging their path. This runs the gamut from party focused college students to more serious academic students. They don't see it as relevant to them. I'm not saying they are all irresponsible, but even excluding the extremes like the virus parties, for the past 6 months I've heard so many stories via my kids and the news about the blasé attitudes of so many kids including things like attending crammed music festivals and going to campus after testing positive and not telling anyone.[/quote]
Without commenting on the main focus of your post, this is why I believe schools will open and shut as their are outbreaks of the virus on all campuses.
The real paradigm shift that can (it's the "pain point" that Silicon Valley investors require) and needs to happen, and again already widely discussed over the past several years "Education Bubble" is financial not a campus vs virtual issue. Way too much politics/ ideology and profiteering, drives higher education while students are now the modern indentured servitude via the student loan system. That has to stop.
The other thing is, while parents are more concerned, I can attest to the fact that college kids largely don't care about corona virus and many of them will never be satisfied with virtual learning. Despite the real and exaggerated depiction of young people hyper-focused on social media, they want to be out in the world experiencing things in new environments, and forging their path. This runs the gamut from party focused college students to more serious academic students. They don't see it as relevant to them. I'm not saying they are all irresponsible, but even excluding the extremes like the virus parties, for the past 6 months I've heard so many stories via my kids and the news about the blasé attitudes of so many kids including things like attending crammed music festivals and going to campus after testing positive and not telling anyone.[/quote]
Without commenting on the main focus of your post, this is why I believe schools will open and shut as their are outbreaks of the virus on all campuses.
Beast, your point about consolidations/mergers is right on, at various levels. We are headed to monopolies in pretty much every facet of society and there is no political will to change it. Even the fringes if you drill down they are funded by major financial interests so they are stunted and manipulated before they could ever actually do any good.
but on the other hand there are good things going on with the ideas and implementation of "local" and "quality." The pandemic is highlighting some of the massive problems with this current zeitgeist (like industrial/international meat processing). We are also seeing this in higher ed. There are some really exceptional small schools that are focused upon genuine education and development of person, not just brand, ideologues, influencers and profiteers. So if higher ed could take the path of micro-breweries for example, who have changed the landscape of industrial brand beer, there could be hope. Think, better beer on campus, not more beer...
but on the other hand there are good things going on with the ideas and implementation of "local" and "quality." The pandemic is highlighting some of the massive problems with this current zeitgeist (like industrial/international meat processing). We are also seeing this in higher ed. There are some really exceptional small schools that are focused upon genuine education and development of person, not just brand, ideologues, influencers and profiteers. So if higher ed could take the path of micro-breweries for example, who have changed the landscape of industrial brand beer, there could be hope. Think, better beer on campus, not more beer...
Two of my favorite posters in a high end discussion on line. I would add that there is a temptation to look at the system's condition instead of the condition of the individual. One of my professors at Northeastern talked about his work in Nigeria as it was going through industrialization, pointing out that many of the people learning to work in heavy industry with all of its interconnected behavior demands, lost their capacity for "eidetic imagery" (photographic memory) which was a critical skill in a hunter gatherer agrarian existence. Virtually everything virtual via digital device hyper-values linear (left brain organized) audiovisual skills. People with gifts in aesthetics, micro or macro motor behavior, or perceptual excellence using the other senses are not yet fully included the virtual world. This has lots of implications for the human condition and perhaps a devaluing of aspects of us that are important and unique characteristics.
David Brooks of the NY Times has written some about right brain faculties making leaps of understanding that are beyond linear analysis and serving as the source of genius and creativity.
Once upon a time I taught grant-writing and my word of warning to my students was that the worst grant writer was the person who could not muster their best effort for a grant that did not propose a role for the grant writer.
David Brooks of the NY Times has written some about right brain faculties making leaps of understanding that are beyond linear analysis and serving as the source of genius and creativity.
Once upon a time I taught grant-writing and my word of warning to my students was that the worst grant writer was the person who could not muster their best effort for a grant that did not propose a role for the grant writer.
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There are so many very smart guys on here, very impressive as representative of St. Johns. On the other hand if we were all a little bit smarter, we'd be rooting for another team. Maybe.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396857]Good article. In virtually every other sector there have been consolidations and mergers, and very few players. In healthcare hospitals not only became part of networks, but all related services and levels of care from physician practices to nursing homes, etc. There are only a handful of computer hardware makers, and microsoft and apple control computer software. Education can go the same route, with prestigious schools leveraging their name to expand across the U.S.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Really good points. I would take this further. A lot of what shaped my career are things that I learned from people at my first job (good and bad). These are things you don't learn virtually. I feel really sorry for kids missing out on these experiences including my own. The world is a really interesting place when you are able to get out and meet interact with people.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Really good points. I would take this further. A lot of what shaped my career are things that I learned from people at my first job (good and bad). These are things you don't learn virtually. I feel really sorry for kids missing out on these experiences including my own. The world is a really interesting place when you are able to get out and meet interact with people.
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[quote="Andrew" post=396998][quote="Beast of the East" post=396857]Good article. In virtually every other sector there have been consolidations and mergers, and very few players. In healthcare hospitals not only became part of networks, but all related services and levels of care from physician practices to nursing homes, etc. There are only a handful of computer hardware makers, and microsoft and apple control computer software. Education can go the same route, with prestigious schools leveraging their name to expand across the U.S.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Really good points. I would take this further. A lot of what shaped my career are things that I learned from people at my first job (good and bad). These are things you don't learn virtually. I feel really sorry for kids missing out on these experiences including my own. The world is a really interesting place when you are able to get out and meet interact with people.[/quote]
My very first mentor was my supervisor at St. John's, who was also director of the Academic Computing Lab (ACL), Lee Groffman. She just passed away a few months ago. She helped direct my graduate school major, and actually called me in one day and advised me that it was time for me to move on to the next phase of my career by leaving St. John's. She had a lot of personal integrity, and stood up to faculty members who gave assignments to students, and then told them that student workers in the ACL would help them solve it. At great personal expense she told faculty it was their job to teach, and student workers were there only to assist with technical problems such as logging on or off. It was a great life lesson that to be a good manager you should stand up for the people beneath you, even at your own personal risk.
My next job was at Hoffman LaRoche, and I had several great mentors who looked out for me, helped me grow professionally, and gave me exposure and credit in our company. Here again, after three plus years, my boss called me in one day and said my career would advance faster if I left. In graduate school I would sometimes quote my bosses on how to do things or treat subordinates, and my professors would always be impressed with answer I gave that you didn't find in textbooks.
Thanks for mentioning mentors, Andrew. Every day of my career I thought about these people and tried to be the type of managers they were.
In person learning has distinct advantages of remote learning. Think of it as finishing school. I've had some fairly bright people without degrees, and one or two that did all their coursework remotely. Those people, while all good people, were a little rough around the edges in terms of how they communicated and thought. I would certainly place less value on a degree earned remotely, and in my experience, with good reason.
This was a good, thought provoking article.[/quote]
Really good points. I would take this further. A lot of what shaped my career are things that I learned from people at my first job (good and bad). These are things you don't learn virtually. I feel really sorry for kids missing out on these experiences including my own. The world is a really interesting place when you are able to get out and meet interact with people.[/quote]
My very first mentor was my supervisor at St. John's, who was also director of the Academic Computing Lab (ACL), Lee Groffman. She just passed away a few months ago. She helped direct my graduate school major, and actually called me in one day and advised me that it was time for me to move on to the next phase of my career by leaving St. John's. She had a lot of personal integrity, and stood up to faculty members who gave assignments to students, and then told them that student workers in the ACL would help them solve it. At great personal expense she told faculty it was their job to teach, and student workers were there only to assist with technical problems such as logging on or off. It was a great life lesson that to be a good manager you should stand up for the people beneath you, even at your own personal risk.
My next job was at Hoffman LaRoche, and I had several great mentors who looked out for me, helped me grow professionally, and gave me exposure and credit in our company. Here again, after three plus years, my boss called me in one day and said my career would advance faster if I left. In graduate school I would sometimes quote my bosses on how to do things or treat subordinates, and my professors would always be impressed with answer I gave that you didn't find in textbooks.
Thanks for mentioning mentors, Andrew. Every day of my career I thought about these people and tried to be the type of managers they were.