The Athletic- Big win for the Big East? House settlement unknowns have college basketball coaches worried

for the StJ's fans that don't like Yukon coach Dan Hurley you will like the following quote from The Athletic article:

"When UConn coach Dan Hurley was told of coaches from other leagues being worried about the Big East’s advantage, he grinned and said they should be more worried that his league has won four of the last eight national titles — and that his Huskies have gone back-to-back. A good reminder that the schools with the biggest budgets do not always win in basketball."
 
Exerpts from the Article.

Since seemingly every school will decide for itself, one league at the high-major level could have a distinct advantage: the Big East, a conference that does not sponsor football.

“I don’t think any of us have the answer to it yet, but I think we do feel good about our position,” Xavier coach Sean Miller told The Athletic last week at Nike’s Peach Jam, the biggest basketball recruiting event of the year. This topic came up often there and at Big East coaches meetings. “In so many ways, it works to our advantage. The good thing about being in the Big East is it’s about one sport. I shouldn’t say one sport, but I think the importance of college basketball is at the top and after what just happened in the landscape of college sports, it puts us in a very unique position.”

What if, while the SEC and Big Ten continue their football-first arms race, those basketball-centric Big East schools decided to give the bulk of the allowed revenue share to their primary sport?

“That’s a problem,” Oats said, his eyes widening at the thought. “As long as it’s equitable across all the high-major schools, you’re fine. But if one’s got $22 million and one’s got $5 million, that’s a problem. We’re not going to be able to compete. They haven’t thought everything through.”

Florida coach Todd Golden said SEC basketball coaches have been buzzing about this nightmare scenario since last year.

“You have all these great basketball schools that have no football they have to take care of,” Golden said, “so yeah, definitely, we are worried about that.”
 
Other tidbits from the article:

And although Big East coaches like that they do not have to split their in-house NIL pool with football, their media deals and athletic department revenues dwarf those in the Big Ten or SEC.

“There’s more money to be gobbled up at those places,” Creighton coach Greg McDermott said. “But you either find a way to fund it or you die. That’s the reality. I just think there’s a lot of uncertainty. I would love it to be to the point where I don’t have to raise so much NIL money. It would be nice to go back to coaching and get out of the fundraising business.”

And although Big East coaches like that they do not have to split their in-house NIL pool with football, their media deals and athletic department revenues dwarf those in the Big Ten or SEC.
 
Finally, Hurley gets the last word, the next to last paragraph that Otis posted and (which was great IMHO) and then this:

“I think there’s anxiety about everything, because the one thing we know is three months, six months, nine months from now, nothing is going to be like it is now,” Hurley said. “But as college coaches, our job is to figure it out. That’s what you do during the course of a game: when things go weird, figure it out.”
 
Maybe this will be the case for a few years, but got a feeling B10/SEC will figure this out...
 
dk423 said:
Maybe this will be the case for a few years, but got a feeling B10/SEC will figure this out...
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I find this to be a reasonable position and I don’t disagree with it; however, let me play devil’s advocate:

Take the SEC:
In 2024, UK basketball brought in $29,773,859 . That’s after a 23-10 second place SEC finish, 1 and done in the dance.
UK football brought in $41,178,801. That’s for. 7-6 (3-5), tied for 4th in SEC East, and a Gator Bowl L.

Fans care about Ws and Ls on the sports pages, admins care about it on the income statement. It is highly likely they will chase the $ and continue to pour resources into football.

And what of the Big East’s advantage? Simple… break off from the NCAA, have your Power 5 or 4 or 2 or whatever have a tournament and forget everyone else. Or exclude teams without football. This allows the juggernaut that is the MWC to continue to dash the hopes of the big boys in March. And it gets rid of those schools with an “unfair advantage”.
 
otis said:
for the StJ's fans that don't like Yukon coach Dan Hurley you will like the following quote from The Athletic article:

"When UConn coach Dan Hurley was told of coaches from other leagues being worried about the Big East’s advantage, he grinned and said they should be more worried that his league has won four of the last eight national titles — and that his Huskies have gone back-to-back. A good reminder that the schools with the biggest budgets do not always win in basketball."
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Of course Hurley’s case is unique because there is always the specter of UConn’s quest to upgrade foorball hanging over his head.
 
Spocky Ramone said:
I find this to be a reasonable position and I don’t disagree with it; however, let me play devil’s advocate:

Take the SEC:
In 2024, UK basketball brought in $29,773,859 . That’s after a 23-10 second place SEC finish, 1 and done in the dance.
UK football brought in $41,178,801. That’s for. 7-6 (3-5), tied for 4th in SEC East, and a Gator Bowl L.

Fans care about Ws and Ls on the sports pages, admins care about it on the income statement. It is highly likely they will chase the $ and continue to pour resources into football.

And what of the Big East’s advantage? Simple… break off from the NCAA, have your Power 5 or 4 or 2 or whatever have a tournament and forget everyone else. Or exclude teams without football. This allows the juggernaut that is the MWC to continue to dash the hopes of the big boys in March. And it gets rid of those schools with an “unfair advantage”.
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The football teams want us. It would kill them to win a tournament that didn't include us. Too shallow a victory and the entire sports world would let them know it.
 
tom in salem said:
The football teams want us. It would kill them to win a tournament that didn't include us. Too shallow a victory and the entire sports world would let them know it.
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If having us in there makes them more money they will have us in there. If having us in there doesn’t make them any more money then they won’t have us in there. If the answer to the question doesn’t concern money then rephrase the question because everything is about money. But, I don’t think for one second that they give a damn about shallow victories etc. or what people think.
 
Spocky Ramone said:
I find this to be a reasonable position and I don’t disagree with it; however, let me play devil’s advocate:

Take the SEC:
In 2024, UK basketball brought in $29,773,859 . That’s after a 23-10 second place SEC finish, 1 and done in the dance.
UK football brought in $41,178,801. That’s for. 7-6 (3-5), tied for 4th in SEC East, and a Gator Bowl L.

Fans care about Ws and Ls on the sports pages, admins care about it on the income statement. It is highly likely they will chase the $ and continue to pour resources into football.

And what of the Big East’s advantage? Simple… break off from the NCAA, have your Power 5 or 4 or 2 or whatever have a tournament and forget everyone else. Or exclude teams without football. This allows the juggernaut that is the MWC to continue to dash the hopes of the big boys in March. And it gets rid of those schools with an “unfair advantage”.
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Yes but the cost of running an FBS football program is much more than $10mill more than running a hoops program. So the ROI for hoops, at UK at least, is far better.
 
Mean Gene said:
If having us in there makes them more money they will have us in there. If having us in there doesn’t make them any more money then they won’t have us in there. If the answer to the question doesn’t concern money then rephrase the question because everything is about money. But, I don’t think for one second that they give a damn about shallow victories etc. or what people think.
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They win the basketball tournament less than half the time as it is. No reason to wait.
 
Football should be separate and it will be.

Everything with FBS football moves at a snail’s pace. It’s taken decades to go to and now beyond a 4-team playoff when D1-AA was using an 8-team format since before I was born.

Football was already wrecked the rest of college athletics.
 
Marillac2 said:
Football should be separate and it will be.

Everything with FBS football moves at a snail’s pace. It’s taken decades to go to and now beyond a 4-team playoff when D1-AA was using an 8-team format since before I was born.

Football was already wrecked the rest of college athletics.
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Actually only took 10 years to go from 4 team to 12 team playoff.
 
Marillac2 said:
😂 what?

There was no playoff until 2014. The BCS ranking didn’t start until 1998. So before that the national champion was determined by a poll.

Meanwhile D1-AA had an 8 team tournament in 1981 and a 4-team playoff before that.
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You asked how many years to get to 4. They got to 4 from 2 which was for 15 years. Don’t need to be told about the poll era I was following it since well before you were born.
 
bamafan said:
You asked how many years to get to 4. They got to 4 from 2 which was for 15 years. Don’t need to be told about the poll era I was following it since well before you were born.
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Maybe that’s the disconnect then…I don’t count anything before the 4-team playoff.
 
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