Telfair going to jail
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[quote="Jeff Smith" post=356138][URL]https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/sport/former-nba-player-gun-sentencing/index.html[/URL][/quote]
Marijuana, no headlights, u-turn off the median. Loaded gun in the car. These guys should have just put a sign with blinking lights saying ARREST US.
Marijuana, no headlights, u-turn off the median. Loaded gun in the car. These guys should have just put a sign with blinking lights saying ARREST US.
beast of the east
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Without the loaded gun, his actions may have gotten him an invite to speak at a national political convention.
We cannot get serious about gun control laws until we also treat possession of deadly unlicensed weapons. It legitimately pains me to see a guy who had sneaker companies pitching contracts at him while still in HS take this kind of fall from grace. But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.
We cannot get serious about gun control laws until we also treat possession of deadly unlicensed weapons. It legitimately pains me to see a guy who had sneaker companies pitching contracts at him while still in HS take this kind of fall from grace. But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=356248]Without the loaded gun, his actions may have gotten him an invite to speak at a national political convention.
We cannot get serious about gun control laws until we also treat possession of deadly unlicensed weapons. It legitimately pains me to see a guy who had sneaker companies pitching contracts at him while still in HS take this kind of fall from grace. But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.[/quote]
Kid had the world in his hands and clearly took it for granted. There is nothing painful to see there, it is the definition of stupidity. He could still be playing basketball overseas, making great money and living an easy life. He let himself go down the dark road and npo he is getting exactly what he deserved.
What pains me to see is mentally ill people taking guns and shooting innocent people.
We cannot get serious about gun control laws until we also treat possession of deadly unlicensed weapons. It legitimately pains me to see a guy who had sneaker companies pitching contracts at him while still in HS take this kind of fall from grace. But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.[/quote]
Kid had the world in his hands and clearly took it for granted. There is nothing painful to see there, it is the definition of stupidity. He could still be playing basketball overseas, making great money and living an easy life. He let himself go down the dark road and npo he is getting exactly what he deserved.
What pains me to see is mentally ill people taking guns and shooting innocent people.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=356248]But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.[/quote]
True, but Plaxico Burres of the Giants was a poster child amongst many others. Served time right. Not sure that has any impact. Not sure anyone has the answer.
True, but Plaxico Burres of the Giants was a poster child amongst many others. Served time right. Not sure that has any impact. Not sure anyone has the answer.
[quote="sjc88" post=356262][quote="Beast of the East" post=356248]But we also sadly need poster boys for the implications of having unlicensed illegal weapons on your person, especially in areas where gun violence takes a continual daily toll.[/quote]
True, but Plaxico Burres of the Giants was a poster child amongst many others. Served time right. Not sure that has any impact. Not sure anyone has the answer.[/quote]
Make that answer(s), status quo, is obviously not one of them.
True, but Plaxico Burres of the Giants was a poster child amongst many others. Served time right. Not sure that has any impact. Not sure anyone has the answer.[/quote]
Make that answer(s), status quo, is obviously not one of them.
Wrote the first version of this in 2013.
Guns have been familiar to me my whole life, eight year old me told to cover my ears as my dad and a fishing buddy used the revolver and shotgun in the bottom of the boat to ward off water moccasins near our home in Pine Bluff, Arkansas; the licensed revolver my dad carried everyday for thirty years to a factory in a high crime Brooklyn neighborhood, shotguns and rifles secured near the factory windows in case of urban rioting; and now as deer and groundhogs wreak havoc with my garden, seeking the input of hunter friends, near my Hudson Valley summer home, about which shotguns and rifles are best suited to deal with these four legged munching machines. Among my friends are gun collectors (including one who is totally blind) and guns as a tool and for self-defense are well known to me.
News about mental health and guns is usually bad news. Each mass killing and the growing sense of expected repetition attaching to these horrors, (the first draft of this was in 2013) evokes gun control responses from some and an equal number or more of us picture ourselves in harm=s way and armed, hoping we would have the courage to put our own lives at risk to protect our fellow citizens and the judgment to not harm bystanders or non-threats. The tension between these two reactions has yielded an on-going public policy and political scrum with no shortage of unsavory characters emerging from the fringes of either side (the nanny state vs. the gun pedlars) and endless rounds of each camp trying to out-shout the other. In the midst of so many advocated solutions from each side but no common ground on which to negotiate, a back to basics approach might help, using the actual language of the founders in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" as the source for that common ground.
In my more than fifty years of teaching about mental illness and drug abuse, most of the actions proposed to keep guns out of the hands of impaired people don’t seem to match the reality of these judgment and function impairing illnesses. Training staff, and families, people directly affected by mental illness and drug abuse, requires teaching them that chronic relapsing progressive illnesses tend to yield chronic relapse. Good planning and preparation and realistic expectations can go a long way in making sure things don’t fall apart, but symptoms can and do flare up and service models must face the possibility that these brain-based illnesses, particularly in the face of new traumatic events, and in-place plans are needed to protect patients and families and communities when that happens. Failure to teach about risks, betrays hope, and burns out the investment made in education and training. In its worst manifestation victims of illness are blamed when unrealistic expectations come face to face with loss and deterioration in people who deserve scientifically informed care. Treatment programs need follow-up supports and systems to prevent re-occurring symptoms from damaging rebuilt lives.
After 50 plus years there are many stories to tell, (from recovering substance abusers accepting that having drug cravings is natural, the problem is when the cravings have you, to my clinical psychologist wife leading a mutual support group for people with both schizophrenia and full time jobs for more than 15 years and the group continuing after she accepted a new position), but for me, the intersection between behavioral illnesses and guns is much more personal. I remember preventively removing the last gun, a Browning .25 automatic, from my father's home, as dementia took him in the last year of his life. Having the judgment and function to bear arms is not a static condition. Background checks may be necessary, but clearly not sufficient to assure gun safety, and reading the Second Amendment suggests that the founders knew that when they wrote about a well-regulated militia as the first clause of the Second Amendment.
A "well-regulated militia" is trained, has healthy members (physically and mentally), has assigned roles and pre-arranged communication systems, and convenes often enough to keep its members current on methods and technology, and the people in charge of the militia (police, fire, EMS, State Adjutant General) current as to the welfare and functionality of its members. What that well-regulated militia looks like and does, probably varies from state to state and from urban to suburban to rural settings. The federal government could probably set minimum standards about this attached to some incentive funding.
Who can be in the militia is answered most simply as "any adult citizen who wants to and is of sound mind and body", but who must serve in the militia is the much tougher question. My answer based on the feedback I have about my own gun purchases from my hunter friends, and on recent gun control discussions in the media is that anyone who owns a militia capable weapon or specialized anti-personnel ammunition must serve in the militia and if unable to do so because of loss of capacity to use weapons with proper judgment, must be required by militia leadership to disable their militia capable guns. Militia capable weapons can be defined as those that can accept magazines of more than ten rounds and anti-personnel ammunition is exactly what it sounds like.
A well-regulated militia however, is much more than muster and gathering on a regular basis to show you are fit to handle a potential mass casualty weapon. Muster also gathers the people who serve through volunteer fire departments or ambulance corps services with those who own militia capable weapons to give updates on local emergency communications, on where is there an automatic defibrillator stored if fire and EMS are called elsewhere, on what are the recalls on guns and gun related equipment, is there new safety equipment, is there a new flood evacuation route, changes in hunting regulations, can I get retraining in first aid and CPR, which people are dressing and preparing game or teaching others how to do it, and many other things including new safer weapons.
Muster is also where people who are in physical or mental trouble and who are gun owners can be seen and approached by militia leadership and their peers in terms of changes in behavior and demeanor, not with a focus on guns but with a focus on help and support. A well-regulated militia understands that the whole is dependent on the well-being of its individual members, that the parent with a small business to run and a child who has become seriously ill will not be their usual self, nor will the recently widowed man or woman who has lost control of their alcohol intake, nor endless other circumstances in which the strength of the community including its expert members (medical, police, fire, and clergy) are needed to assure that militia capable weaponry does not complicate or devastate an already difficult situation for a militia member.
The American people's responsibility to protect and defend our country grows with our armed forces repeatedly engaged away from home and our domestic reserves, the National Guard, used and re-used in roles out of the country. A well-regulated militia becomes, under Police, Fire, EMS, and State Adjutant General leadership, the back-up to the back-up. You never want to have to use it but even more so, you don't want it full of people who can not pass muster.
Muster
Guns have been familiar to me my whole life, eight year old me told to cover my ears as my dad and a fishing buddy used the revolver and shotgun in the bottom of the boat to ward off water moccasins near our home in Pine Bluff, Arkansas; the licensed revolver my dad carried everyday for thirty years to a factory in a high crime Brooklyn neighborhood, shotguns and rifles secured near the factory windows in case of urban rioting; and now as deer and groundhogs wreak havoc with my garden, seeking the input of hunter friends, near my Hudson Valley summer home, about which shotguns and rifles are best suited to deal with these four legged munching machines. Among my friends are gun collectors (including one who is totally blind) and guns as a tool and for self-defense are well known to me.
News about mental health and guns is usually bad news. Each mass killing and the growing sense of expected repetition attaching to these horrors, (the first draft of this was in 2013) evokes gun control responses from some and an equal number or more of us picture ourselves in harm=s way and armed, hoping we would have the courage to put our own lives at risk to protect our fellow citizens and the judgment to not harm bystanders or non-threats. The tension between these two reactions has yielded an on-going public policy and political scrum with no shortage of unsavory characters emerging from the fringes of either side (the nanny state vs. the gun pedlars) and endless rounds of each camp trying to out-shout the other. In the midst of so many advocated solutions from each side but no common ground on which to negotiate, a back to basics approach might help, using the actual language of the founders in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" as the source for that common ground.
In my more than fifty years of teaching about mental illness and drug abuse, most of the actions proposed to keep guns out of the hands of impaired people don’t seem to match the reality of these judgment and function impairing illnesses. Training staff, and families, people directly affected by mental illness and drug abuse, requires teaching them that chronic relapsing progressive illnesses tend to yield chronic relapse. Good planning and preparation and realistic expectations can go a long way in making sure things don’t fall apart, but symptoms can and do flare up and service models must face the possibility that these brain-based illnesses, particularly in the face of new traumatic events, and in-place plans are needed to protect patients and families and communities when that happens. Failure to teach about risks, betrays hope, and burns out the investment made in education and training. In its worst manifestation victims of illness are blamed when unrealistic expectations come face to face with loss and deterioration in people who deserve scientifically informed care. Treatment programs need follow-up supports and systems to prevent re-occurring symptoms from damaging rebuilt lives.
After 50 plus years there are many stories to tell, (from recovering substance abusers accepting that having drug cravings is natural, the problem is when the cravings have you, to my clinical psychologist wife leading a mutual support group for people with both schizophrenia and full time jobs for more than 15 years and the group continuing after she accepted a new position), but for me, the intersection between behavioral illnesses and guns is much more personal. I remember preventively removing the last gun, a Browning .25 automatic, from my father's home, as dementia took him in the last year of his life. Having the judgment and function to bear arms is not a static condition. Background checks may be necessary, but clearly not sufficient to assure gun safety, and reading the Second Amendment suggests that the founders knew that when they wrote about a well-regulated militia as the first clause of the Second Amendment.
A "well-regulated militia" is trained, has healthy members (physically and mentally), has assigned roles and pre-arranged communication systems, and convenes often enough to keep its members current on methods and technology, and the people in charge of the militia (police, fire, EMS, State Adjutant General) current as to the welfare and functionality of its members. What that well-regulated militia looks like and does, probably varies from state to state and from urban to suburban to rural settings. The federal government could probably set minimum standards about this attached to some incentive funding.
Who can be in the militia is answered most simply as "any adult citizen who wants to and is of sound mind and body", but who must serve in the militia is the much tougher question. My answer based on the feedback I have about my own gun purchases from my hunter friends, and on recent gun control discussions in the media is that anyone who owns a militia capable weapon or specialized anti-personnel ammunition must serve in the militia and if unable to do so because of loss of capacity to use weapons with proper judgment, must be required by militia leadership to disable their militia capable guns. Militia capable weapons can be defined as those that can accept magazines of more than ten rounds and anti-personnel ammunition is exactly what it sounds like.
A well-regulated militia however, is much more than muster and gathering on a regular basis to show you are fit to handle a potential mass casualty weapon. Muster also gathers the people who serve through volunteer fire departments or ambulance corps services with those who own militia capable weapons to give updates on local emergency communications, on where is there an automatic defibrillator stored if fire and EMS are called elsewhere, on what are the recalls on guns and gun related equipment, is there new safety equipment, is there a new flood evacuation route, changes in hunting regulations, can I get retraining in first aid and CPR, which people are dressing and preparing game or teaching others how to do it, and many other things including new safer weapons.
Muster is also where people who are in physical or mental trouble and who are gun owners can be seen and approached by militia leadership and their peers in terms of changes in behavior and demeanor, not with a focus on guns but with a focus on help and support. A well-regulated militia understands that the whole is dependent on the well-being of its individual members, that the parent with a small business to run and a child who has become seriously ill will not be their usual self, nor will the recently widowed man or woman who has lost control of their alcohol intake, nor endless other circumstances in which the strength of the community including its expert members (medical, police, fire, and clergy) are needed to assure that militia capable weaponry does not complicate or devastate an already difficult situation for a militia member.
The American people's responsibility to protect and defend our country grows with our armed forces repeatedly engaged away from home and our domestic reserves, the National Guard, used and re-used in roles out of the country. A well-regulated militia becomes, under Police, Fire, EMS, and State Adjutant General leadership, the back-up to the back-up. You never want to have to use it but even more so, you don't want it full of people who can not pass muster.
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beast of the east
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In his autobiography, Charles Barkley responded to criticisms of him for not hanging out childhood friends and "not keeping it real". Barkley's response, paraphrased, was, "I'm very wealthy now and not going to be hanging with a posse at this point in my life".
Telfair made $19 million plus in salary playing NBA basketball, exclusive of any other income derived from any other source. He could have been living a very different life than driving around Brooklyn on a path to jail.
Telfair made $19 million plus in salary playing NBA basketball, exclusive of any other income derived from any other source. He could have been living a very different life than driving around Brooklyn on a path to jail.
What is interesting about this is that must be more to story or Telfair got terrible legal advice. As noted by Chief of Police Monahan this week the Brooklyn DA has a high rate of "diversions" (NO jail time) for gun possession convictions. The arrested person basically pleads guilty if they have no violent crime history and they get no jail time and they must hold down a job, check in with DA weekly and observe a curfew.
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="BrooklynRed" post=356328]What is interesting about this is that must be more to story or Telfair got terrible legal advice. As noted by Chief of Police Monahan this week the Brooklyn DA has a high rate of "diversions" (NO jail time) for gun possession convictions. The arrested person basically pleads guilty if they have no violent crime history and they get no jail time and they must hold down a job, check in with DA weekly and observe a curfew.[/quote]
I can't imagine he would have been too keen on a curfew. Probably wouldn't have wanted to check in weekly, either. If you get coddled too long, those things are beneath you.
I can't imagine he would have been too keen on a curfew. Probably wouldn't have wanted to check in weekly, either. If you get coddled too long, those things are beneath you.
Booksnball
Member
A wise man once said (From a Bronx Tail ?) One of the worst things that can happen is "Wasted Talent." I knew Bassy from his 8th grade arrival (one of only 3-4 guys to achieve that) @ the famed "ABCD" camp.
Never could imagine it coming to this.> FU B A R
Never could imagine it coming to this.> FU B A R
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