TCU OUT
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The Big East is now, for better or worse, dead IMO.
Can't see anyway we're getting in a major conference after the breakup, now.
Hope for an upper mid-major, 2-4 bid league, from now on. Maybe some NCAA tournament runs in our best years.
sju85uva86
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Making the Tourney will not be too hard when the field is increased to 96 or whatever. This too will happen quicker than we may like.
Considering they are a natural fit for the Big 12 and the Big 12 has room after they decided not to break up but rather expand and also considering that the BE is imploding with the defections of Pitt and Syracuse nobody should be surprised at this development.
Once the Pitt and Syracuse thing happened the odds of TCU coming to the BE went to slim and none.
Once the Pitt and Syracuse thing happened the odds of TCU coming to the BE went to slim and none.
NYCRedmen
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I may be in the minority here but I don't see this as a bad thing. Yes, this will hurt things from the football sense but as I posted earlier, I am not convinced that adding TCU would have been beneficial in the long run. I stated in another thread the following :
"TCU is a program that only recently had had success in football. My fear is that they will become a flash in the pan type of program and eventually after key players/coaches graduate and or move on, they will fall behind the Texas', Texas A&M & Texas Techs of the world in football. Very few "New Kids on the Block" are able to sustain themselves against the traditional powers of college football. Bosie St is an exception as was Miami in the early 80s, but if you make a comparison, there are very few programs that can do what Butler, VCU & George Mason have done in basketball, in today's college football world. That is what happened to Temple in the early 90s. They got an invite to the Big East b/c they were coming off a winning season and everyone thought that they were going to become a relevant program in the Philly area. We all know how that ended up. The flip side of the argument is that if Big East football is going to survive, we need to add a team that is relevant now and not worry about where they may be 5 or 10 years from now."
If we end up adding Air Force and or Navy & Temple, would TCU had made any real difference? I guess anything is possible, curious as to what others think.
"TCU is a program that only recently had had success in football. My fear is that they will become a flash in the pan type of program and eventually after key players/coaches graduate and or move on, they will fall behind the Texas', Texas A&M & Texas Techs of the world in football. Very few "New Kids on the Block" are able to sustain themselves against the traditional powers of college football. Bosie St is an exception as was Miami in the early 80s, but if you make a comparison, there are very few programs that can do what Butler, VCU & George Mason have done in basketball, in today's college football world. That is what happened to Temple in the early 90s. They got an invite to the Big East b/c they were coming off a winning season and everyone thought that they were going to become a relevant program in the Philly area. We all know how that ended up. The flip side of the argument is that if Big East football is going to survive, we need to add a team that is relevant now and not worry about where they may be 5 or 10 years from now."
If we end up adding Air Force and or Navy & Temple, would TCU had made any real difference? I guess anything is possible, curious as to what others think.
Class of 72
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....and you wrote the book on the power of positive thinking???LOL!
This may actually HELP the Big East!!!
If the Big 12 does go to 12, most pundits think they want to add schools west of the Mississippi. BYU, SMU, Houston and Boise State are the prime candidates.
The Big East now needs to add football schools asap and UCF, ECU, Temple and Memphis are likely getting calls along with the service academies.
The million $ ? Is commish Marinara still in the kitchen or will he be serving dinner soon????
NYCRedmen
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If we add Army, Navy & Temple to go along with UConn, Rutgers, USF, West Virginia, Cincy & Louisville we would have a solid (not great but solid) 9 team football league, 10 if Air Force is included. Lets be honest, how much better are Syracuse & Pitt these days than those 4 possible additions? Will this group make the BCS tremble, probably not but then again, how many schools are left that would be able to do that?
If the big 12 is going to remain a conference then BE football is DEAD. The only question that remains is whether or not it takes down BE hoops with it.
The Big East needs to find out who is in and who is out before it does anything at this point.
It makes no sense to add any football teams if we are losing Uconn, Louisville, Rutgers and West Virginia a month later.
Time for all the schools to put up or shut up. Offer them an out now and if they stay raise the exit fee to some ridiculous amount so nobody can leave.
If they all stay you can put together a 6th rate football conference for them that is part of a much larger Hoops conference.
If they go...its all hoops from here on out.
But they need to SH*t or get off the pot.
The Big East needs to find out who is in and who is out before it does anything at this point.
It makes no sense to add any football teams if we are losing Uconn, Louisville, Rutgers and West Virginia a month later.
Time for all the schools to put up or shut up. Offer them an out now and if they stay raise the exit fee to some ridiculous amount so nobody can leave.
If they all stay you can put together a 6th rate football conference for them that is part of a much larger Hoops conference.
If they go...its all hoops from here on out.
But they need to SH*t or get off the pot.
NYCRedmen
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The Big 12 remaining a conference won't hurt Big East football. If the Big 12 however decides to expand, then we have a problem because the natural targets would be the remaining Big East football schools. So far all TCU does is just replace Texas A&M. If Mizzou leaves that is just one school that can probably be replaced without the Big 12 having to reach out east. However if the Big 12 wants to replace schools and expand as well, then the Big East will have no choice but to look at becoming a non football conference or a conference with football but with no BCS automatic qualifier.
Whatever teams are left should simply merge with Conference USA for football only, and call it some hybrid name or strictly Big East, which is the better known brand.
Basketball and all other sports would continue as before for each conference, except that Temple and Xavier will be joining our eight Catholic schools. Add two to four more basketball programs that are currently very good or have considerable and easily predictable upside.
Basketball and all other sports would continue as before for each conference, except that Temple and Xavier will be joining our eight Catholic schools. Add two to four more basketball programs that are currently very good or have considerable and easily predictable upside.
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The Big 12 (now 10) lives on with TCU! Good for them and it now makes 5 so-called super-BCS conferences. They may stay at ten but I suspect BYU and Boise St are high on the list since they have very competitive football programs whereas Louisville and Cincy do not. I am doubtful Texas is in favor of any more Texas schools so SMU and Houston are still in play for the Big East.
Also still in play for the BCS side of the BE are Temple and UCF. Both play BE-level football and would compete in all sports. In the spirit of patriotism it is the service academies that may save the Big East FB side.
BTW, did not all the members just meet this past Sunday and voted unanimously to expand........iNSTEAD of contract! LOL!
Finally, in the current expansion scenario it appears only three more schools will move this year in and out of any of the remaining conferences--two in the B12 to bring them to 12 and one in the SEC to bring them to 14. Once those moves are completed, if they happen, the evaporation will have been completed before the new Big East contract talks.
That is why I believe the Big East will survive as a conference with either 16 or 18 teams. At the end of the day, there will still be a Big East Conference brand but with some new and promising members. Everything in college sports moves in cycles. When Uconn joined they sucked at basketball and had no football. DePaul was once a perennial top 25 BB school. Four programs stagnated or declined in the past decade and they are all basketball-only schools----Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul and St. John's.
Go figure!!!