STILL EARLY to Make any Judgements

mchin

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It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!
 
It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!

but...but...that would eliminate 75 percent of the posts on every St. John's board.

Oh c'mon Mods...you took away my wonderful Jesus Shuttlesworth post in the other thread?? hahaha.
 
It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!

but...but...that would eliminate 75 percent of the posts on every St. John's board.

LOL ... this is basically a Freshman and Sophomore team.....and I love the talent. Expecting great things.
 
Branch has not seen a lot of playing time since high school. How many minutes did he log before transferring? Logic dictates that he will he some time to fit in. So I am not expecting big things immediately. Sanchez should yield dividends sooner. That's assuming he ever gets here. That's a few "ifs" too many.

Is it too early to make a judgment? This team is not going to suddenly turn into a great shooting team or a strong rebounding team. We are missing a floor general. The first 2 are likely to be our weaknesses all year. It is not an easy task in a demanding conference when the other team has more threes and more rebounds almost every game. Yet there are positives. This is a superbly athletic team with sufficient depth( by Christmas) to emphasize their strengths, which is shot blocking and running the floor. Our other strength is a guard that has the ability to get hot and take over games. That's how god Dlo can be. It is not too early to say that we will have problems with most teams if it becomes a half court game. There are a lot of good coaching staffs in the Big East. They will be working to exploit our weaknesses.

Bottom line: If Sanchez clears, and is truly a NBA talent, then we become much better and more difficult to prepare for. If Branch's rust wears off quickly, and he is really the goods as a PG and shut down defender, then one more weakness disappears. I would prefer not dealing in "ifs". That happens when even a great recruiter like Lavin has to build a team from scratch, and when your best player from last season leaves after his freshman year. Life in the fast lane isn't easy.
 
Branch has been practicing with the team since last December. He will fit in far better than the frosh right away as well as be more comfortable with the system. He's also the only true PG on the team. Yes he'll have a game action learning curve but it will be far smaller than the 8 new guys and he was also higher rated out of HS than all the newbies except Jakarr.
 
Branch has not seen a lot of playing time since high school. How many minutes did he log before transferring? Logic dictates that he will he some time to fit in. So I am not expecting big things immediately. Sanchez should yield dividends sooner. That's assuming he ever gets here. That's a few "ifs" too many.

Is it too early to make a judgment? This team is not going to suddenly turn into a great shooting team or a strong rebounding team. We are missing a floor general. The first 2 are likely to be our weaknesses all year. It is not an easy task in a demanding conference when the other team has more threes and more rebounds almost every game. Yet there are positives. This is a superbly athletic team with sufficient depth( by Christmas) to emphasize their strengths, which is shot blocking and running the floor. Our other strength is a guard that has the ability to get hot and take over games. That's how god Dlo can be. It is not too early to say that we will have problems with most teams if it becomes a half court game. There are a lot of good coaching staffs in the Big East. They will be working to exploit our weaknesses.

Bottom line: If Sanchez clears, and is truly a NBA talent, then we become much better and more difficult to prepare for. If Branch's rust wears off quickly, and he is really the goods as a PG and shut down defender, then one more weakness disappears. I would prefer not dealing in "ifs". That happens when even a great recruiter like Lavin has to build a team from scratch, and when your best player from last season leaves after his freshman year. Life in the fast lane isn't easy.

Hmmm I don't read all of the posts, but to say Freshman or Sophomores are busts, or a junior looks horrible after being on the floor for one game is unfair. My point is that some people are saying the sky is falling after a few games is too early. Some people are now saying Jakarr is awesome now, after saying he was too hyped up. My point is that it is early. No one is saying the team looks great now. They have a huge learning curve if they are to do well. Just as you say. Hoping that they succeed.....
 
Branch has not seen a lot of playing time since high school. How many minutes did he log before transferring? Logic dictates that he will he some time to fit in. So I am not expecting big things immediately. Sanchez should yield dividends sooner. That's assuming he ever gets here. That's a few "ifs" too many.

Is it too early to make a judgment? This team is not going to suddenly turn into a great shooting team or a strong rebounding team. We are missing a floor general. The first 2 are likely to be our weaknesses all year. It is not an easy task in a demanding conference when the other team has more threes and more rebounds almost every game. Yet there are positives. This is a superbly athletic team with sufficient depth( by Christmas) to emphasize their strengths, which is shot blocking and running the floor. Our other strength is a guard that has the ability to get hot and take over games. That's how god Dlo can be. It is not too early to say that we will have problems with most teams if it becomes a half court game. There are a lot of good coaching staffs in the Big East. They will be working to exploit our weaknesses.

Bottom line: If Sanchez clears, and is truly a NBA talent, then we become much better and more difficult to prepare for. If Branch's rust wears off quickly, and he is really the goods as a PG and shut down defender, then one more weakness disappears. I would prefer not dealing in "ifs". That happens when even a great recruiter like Lavin has to build a team from scratch, and when your best player from last season leaves after his freshman year. Life in the fast lane isn't easy.

Hmmm I don't read all of the posts, but to say Freshman or Sophomores are busts, or a junior looks horrible after being on the floor for one game is unfair. My point is that some people are saying the sky is falling after a few games is too early. Some people are now saying Jakarr is awesome now, after saying he was too hyped up. My point is that it is early. No one is saying the team looks great now. They have a huge learning curve if they are to do well. Just as you say. Hoping that they succeed.....

We are ultimately dealing with very talented athletes with some holes in their games, and inexperience individually and as a group compounding those holes. College basketball at the highest level is so competitive these days, going from more than a decade of obscurity to the big time can't happen overnight, or even in two years. This is a program that is essentially two years old, coinciding with Lavin's first real class of recruits. Michigan's fab five doesn't happen often. You need experience, which results in having battle tested juniors and seniors that know the system and can lead by example. Our best scorer has had bouts of immaturity, resulting in early season ramifications. We have no true PG. No steady influence on the floor. Three freshman logging serious minutes. It's no accident that the Hardy and DJ team, less talented and far less athletic than this group, made the tourney as seniors. Look at them as underclassmen. Almost all of us threw them under the bus for three years. Just having Hardy blossom as a senior made a huge difference. As fans, we are all naturally impatient. Most fans only remember what they saw yesterday. That is why bookies make money, because you can't make rash judgments after 5 games about young athletes. I would take this group over Norm's best recruiting class any day. If they made the tourney with a year filled with major upsets, the sky is the limit for this class. Probably not this year, but a season or two down the road.
 
It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!

Amen Redmen_Mike!... like i said in a prior thread - Once Jan/Feb rolls around no one is going to want any part of this team!!.. We are integrating a VERY talented freshmen class with a VERY talented group of sophs.These things take time. Plus, we are still awaiting the arrival of two VERY talented players in Branch and Sanchez... In other words.. RELAX folks, this team is only going to get better as the season progresses.

btw - Sampson = BEAST!!
 
As of right now, we are 7th in the Big East in FG percentage and 7th in FT percentage. We're 10th in 3pt %. Those stats aren't bad considering we start almost all freshmen and sophs. Our rebounding numbers are terrible, but they will get a lot better with better positioning as well as hopefully adding a PF to our lineup of either Gift or Sanchez.
 
We need to shoot better and defend better. It also always seems that we are constantly in need of a player who can hit from 3 point land and we never seem to recruit them no matter all the pre-season talk on the new talent coming in
 
It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!

Amen Redmen_Mike!... like i said in a prior thread - Once Jan/Feb rolls around no one is going to want any part of this team!!.. We are integrating a VERY talented freshmen class with a VERY talented group of sophs.These things take time. Plus, we are still awaiting the arrival of two VERY talented players in Branch and Sanchez... In other words.. RELAX folks, this team is only going to get better as the season progresses.

btw - Sampson = BEAST!!
Scotch/OldRed ?
 
It's really early and people are already throwing the team under the bus. As I recall, the NCAA team of a few years ago, filled with SENIORS, didn't look too hot around this time....Look where they went. Not saying this team is equivalent, but it is too early to make any judgements. This is a talented team and they need time to gel. We don't even have Sanchez and Branch yet...Come on now....enjoy the ride. Much better then when Lavin and Co wasn't here!!!

Oh, and Happy Thanks Giving ALL!!!!

Amen Redmen_Mike!... like i said in a prior thread - Once Jan/Feb rolls around no one is going to want any part of this team!!.. We are integrating a VERY talented freshmen class with a VERY talented group of sophs.These things take time. Plus, we are still awaiting the arrival of two VERY talented players in Branch and Sanchez... In other words.. RELAX folks, this team is only going to get better as the season progresses.

btw - Sampson = BEAST!!
Scotch/OldRed ?

Probably.
 
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