St. John's University Makes An Interesting List

Good to see nothing has changed at NYU since the early '90s. I would take the DMV over the NYU bursar's office any day of the week.
 
I'll vouch for us being on this list. Our school offices are the absolute worst. So undermanned for the amount of students we have. 
 
 Has been like that forever at STJs. I remember back in the early 90s waiting on line in the registrar or bursar forever with one window open for dozens of students waiting. When you would get to the window, I swear there were 20 people sitting around, drinking coffee and talking behind the person who was helping you. :angry:
 
In this regard, St. John's is still a Mom and Pop school - literally. While nearly all schools have doubled the szie of their infrastructure and developed impressive, responsive, customer service for both parents and students, St. John's appears to still operate on the concept of hiring people at reduced salaries where the main benefit is tuition for their kids.

I had tried several times in the past two years to offer an internship to the university for a new major offered there. I called the university multiple times, and even sat down with two administrators (who I bought lunch for). the end result of that meeting? A (successful) solicitation for a donation - they dropped the ball on the internship. I called again last spring, this time to the office of the chair of that department where the internship should have been valued. I was told it was close t finals week and it was too late for them to do anything. Consider that my company offers a service directly related to the new major, and that there are very few companies in the tri state area that are in this market sector.

SJU under Harrington has done an amazing job improving the campus plant - many beatiful new buildings and dorms. They offer scholarships and grants to 95% of students in attendance. However, the infrastrcuture is clearly second rate.

I'll vouch for us being on this list. Our school offices are the absolute worst. So undermanned for the amount of students we have. 
 
 
SJU under Harrington has done an amazing job improving the campus plant - many beatiful new buildings and dorms. They offer scholarships and grants to 95% of students in attendance. However, the infrastrcuture is clearly second rate.

I'll vouch for us being on this list. Our school offices are the absolute worst. So undermanned for the amount of students we have. 
 
 

I agree that they do a great job with students who come from underprivileged households and make it affordable to them. My mother was the daughter of immigrants and came to St. John's because it was affordable and she had no money. Now, being a middle-class white guy, it is incredibly hard to go here or any other private school since they won't give me government aid or grants.

I made better academic schools (Villanova, Fordham) but didn't get any merit-based scholarship money from them and their tuiton's were both in excess of 20K more per year than St.John's tuition. As much as I and every other student complain about our tuition, it is nothing compared to other local Catholic schools. Is the education I am getting worth the 150K in loans I will leave with? No. I could've gone to Baruch and paid it all off in cash and got an equal education. I'm not sure if would come here if I had to choose over again, but I have enjoyed my time here very much and will enter the job market more than prepared and with ample opportunity to succeed in my field.

Although helping the poor is at the core of the Vincentian mission, it is an aspect that keeps us from becoming an academic institution at the level of other Catholic schools. It is a touchy trade-off and you really can't have it both ways. Although I would love to go to a high-level academic school, the diversity at St. John's is unmatched and I think it adequately prepares the students for life in the real world. If I had gone to Fordham or Nova, I wouldn't know how to deal with people who don't speak English well, have different ways of doing work than I do, etc. but after going to St. John's you really get a grasp of what the real world is like, and that is something that can't be matched by other schools comprised completely of rich white kids walking around in sweaters with dress shirts underneath, playing frisbee, comparing rolex watches and discussing if their parents should buy them a benz or a BMW as their graduation present (all things I noticed while on Fordham's campus last weekend).

After growing up in a predominantly white area, it was a real culture shock the first couple of months at St. John's. I had never been in a class with someone whose native language wasn't English before or even hung out with someone who wasn't white. After going through my experience at St. John's I now have an appreciation for people from all walks of life while my friends who went to different schools don't get that type of experience and they have to get a crash course on it when entering the real world. That coupled with the small class-size, opportunities for internships, etc. are the true advantages of a St. John's education.

It is also great that alumni like you are looking out for the current batch of students. That is the type of connection you get at St. John's that cheaper schools do not offer.
 
Your post is thoughtful, and well written. Nice job. It's nice to know SJU can win a student who apparently scores above 1300 on the SATs who had other options at more prestigious schools. Good luck in your career - I have a feeling you are going to do quite well.

SJU under Harrington has done an amazing job improving the campus plant - many beatiful new buildings and dorms. They offer scholarships and grants to 95% of students in attendance. However, the infrastrcuture is clearly second rate.

I'll vouch for us being on this list. Our school offices are the absolute worst. So undermanned for the amount of students we have. 
 
 

I agree that they do a great job with students who come from underprivileged households and make it affordable to them. My mother was the daughter of immigrants and came to St. John's because it was affordable and she had no money. Now, being a middle-class white guy, it is incredibly hard to go here or any other private school since they won't give me government aid or grants.

I made better academic schools (Villanova, Fordham) but didn't get any merit-based scholarship money from them and their tuiton's were both in excess of 20K more per year than St.John's tuition. As much as I and every other student complain about our tuition, it is nothing compared to other local Catholic schools. Is the education I am getting worth the 150K in loans I will leave with? No. I could've gone to Baruch and paid it all off in cash and got an equal education. I'm not sure if would come here if I had to choose over again, but I have enjoyed my time here very much and will enter the job market more than prepared and with ample opportunity to succeed in my field.

Although helping the poor is at the core of the Vincentian mission, it is an aspect that keeps us from becoming an academic institution at the level of other Catholic schools. It is a touchy trade-off and you really can't have it both ways. Although I would love to go to a high-level academic school, the diversity at St. John's is unmatched and I think it adequately prepares the students for life in the real world. If I had gone to Fordham or Nova, I wouldn't know how to deal with people who don't speak English well, have different ways of doing work than I do, etc. but after going to St. John's you really get a grasp of what the real world is like, and that is something that can't be matched by other schools comprised completely of rich white kids walking around in sweaters with dress shirts underneath, playing frisbee, comparing rolex watches and discussing if their parents should buy them a benz or a BMW as their graduation present (all things I noticed while on Fordham's campus last weekend).

After growing up in a predominantly white area, it was a real culture shock the first couple of months at St. John's. I had never been in a class with someone whose native language wasn't English before or even hung out with someone who wasn't white. After going through my experience at St. John's I now have an appreciation for people from all walks of life while my friends who went to different schools don't get that type of experience and they have to get a crash course on it when entering the real world. That coupled with the small class-size, opportunities for internships, etc. are the true advantages of a St. John's education.

It is also great that alumni like you are looking out for the current batch of students. That is the type of connection you get at St. John's that cheaper schools do not offer.
 
 
Beast,

Great and very accurate post about SJU, when I was looking for an intern, I called the career center they told me to call the College of Professional Studies etc and that they would put up posting.

Neither department followed up with me. We decided to put up a post on Media Bistro, and we wound up with a wonderful intern from GW.

SJU needs to fix this problem ASAP, Have the career centers work closer with the schools, SJC, CPS, Pharmacy.


I would argue that SJU does not need to increase the number of administrators so much, but cut the dead wood of "has beens" and create a new breed of dedicated administrators that are focused on getting SJU kids internships and jobs after graduation.
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