St. John's on the Map

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In order for us to actually call ourselves the city's team I feel like we need to get on the Subway map.

I know its menial but NYU, Columbia and Fordham have stops.

I dont think it would take much to get 169th or 179th street renamed 169th(179th) Street St. Johns University. They school could do well for the comunity by donating money to clean up and fix up that station, and have it policed by the MTA and NYPD more closely, I know most kids use Kew Gardens but 169th street is actually closer and with the Henley building being built so close to the stop it only makes sense. It would be great PR for the University relations with the community, and great marketing for the University.
 
In order for us to actually call ourselves the city's team I feel like we need to get on the Subway map.

I know its menial but NYU, Columbia and Fordham have stops.

I dont think it would take much to get 169th or 179th street renamed 169th(179th) Street St. Johns University. They school could do well for the comunity by donating money to clean up and fix up that station, and have it policed by the MTA and NYPD more closely, I know most kids use Kew Gardens but 169th street is actually closer and with the Henley building being built so close to the stop it only makes sense. It would be great PR for the University relations with the community, and great marketing for the University.
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Kew Gardens is a safer place to get off, and the 44 bus shoots right up Union TPK. Does the school offer free shuttle buses from 169th St?
 
it does but not consistently. students always complain that the shuttles don't run enough
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It's another example of SJU stinginess. Really well run schools outside of major cities, like Providence and Holy Cross, run regular shuttles to Boston. BC has a terrific shuttle to its satellite freshmen dorms, multiple buses run continuously. Considering a shuttle to 169th is a gateway to NYC and Hillside and 169 isn't a terrificly safe area, if I were a parent i'd want to know the wait is never more than 5 minutes.
 
I know they have shuttles from the new Henley dorms which are not far from 169th or 179th. it would also save gas since the distance is shorter from campus to 169th than to Kew Gardens.

If they donate enough money to "beautify" and restore the station, im sure they can make it possible to add an NYPD guard stand in the station, and have influence in the department to police the area constantly.
 
it does but not consistently. students always complain that the shuttles don't run enough
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Hillside and 169 isn't a terrificly safe area.
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Brings back great memories of my freshman year 1986 when I rented a room south of Liberty Ave and near Merrick (hey, the rent was right!). I was the only Irish looking kid for miles and somewhat of a novelty in the neighborhood. I minded my own business and walked quickly to and from the SJU campus. Remember mid-80's NYC? Crack epidemic, fear of AIDS, Larry Davis taking on the enire NYPD, Tompkins Square Riot... Interesting times!

When I was in NYC last October I drove around South Jamaica, Liberty Ave, Jamaica Ave, Hillside etc. The neigborhood seems cleaner and safer now than in 1986. Not sure I would want my kid living there but it certainly has improved over the years (or at least that was my take).

In 1987 I moved closer to the GCP, 1988 to Fresh Meadows, 1989 to Bayside... Interpret that any way you want. :p
 
it does but not consistently. students always complain that the shuttles don't run enough
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Hillside and 169 isn't a terrificly safe area.
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Brings back great memories of my freshman year 1986 when I rented a room south of Liberty Ave and near Merrick (hey, the rent was right!). I was the only Irish looking kid for miles and somewhat of a novelty in the neighborhood. I minded my own business and walked quickly to and from the SJU campus. Remember mid-80's NYC? Crack epidemic, fear of AIDS, Larry Davis taking on the enire NYPD, Tompkins Square Riot... Interesting times!

When I was in NYC last October I drove around South Jamaica, Liberty Ave, Jamaica Ave, Hillside etc. The neigborhood seems cleaner and safer now than in 1986. Not sure I would want my kid living there but it certainly has improved over the years (or at least that was my take).

In 1987 I moved closer to the GCP, 1988 to Fresh Meadows, 1989 to Bayside... Interpret that any way you want. :p
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I was on Jamaica Avenue recently. I think the El came down - it was much better lit. I think that a college kid standing on Hillside avenue for 25 minutes late at night would not be extremely safe if he was alone. I believe BC has RFID on their shuttle buses and a mobile app so students can see where the buses are. Providence also provides free public transit anywhere in the state of Rhode Island for it's students. It's a way to attract better students, especially when you have the greatgest city in the world on your doorsteps. Amenities are the key to attracting great students, and standing in the cold on Hillside Avenue, or MAdison AVenue for that matter, not knowing when the next bus will show, just stinks.
 
I know they have shuttles from the new Henley dorms which are not far from 169th or 179th. it would also save gas since the distance is shorter from campus to 169th than to Kew Gardens.

If they donate enough money to "beautify" and restore the station, im sure they can make it possible to add an NYPD guard stand in the station, and have influence in the department to police the area constantly.
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When I was first married, was on the parish council in my LI parish. At one end of the church property there was a police stand. Our long term pastor had put it up. One frigid winter night, he spotted a cop on foot patrol who was trying to stay warm, but not using the heated guard house. He asked him why, and he said his captain wouldn't let them use it. The pastor, a tough old-time Irish priest, drove to the police station the very next day, and purportedly told the captain, "I built the station for your officers to stay warm, and famn it, they are going to use it!!" Sure enough, the guard house soon was being used regularly. Great memories of when an Irish pastor commanded even Police captains.
 
just frustrating to see so many missed opportunities on how to make the campus a more appealing and NYC relevant place and then know of how much money has been embezzled through out the years, and this is just what we know of.
 
just frustrating to see so many missed opportunities on how to make the campus a more appealing and NYC relevant place and then know of how much money has been embezzled through out the years, and this is just what we know of.
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Well, honestly, they are likely two different things. If you consider that if SJU was on top of Chang, there's no way she would have raised that kind of money for SJU and would have taken her show to some other unsuspecting school. She landed here because she was stealing.
 
It sounds like some posters really have it in for STJ. With all it's warts it has been helping people in New York City, and the rest of the world for a very long time. If people have a systemic hatred or dislike for the school, than I would recommend they associate themselves with some other institution that they could feel warmer about. Speaking just for me, I can say I was a kid living in Syracuse, NY and when it came to picking a school I chose to attend St. John's. It had a profound effect on me and the wonderful family my wife and I reared thru the years. Everyday I thank the Lord for a place where a first generation American could go and get a first class education. Yes, I think they should have a stop on the map.
 
It sounds like some posters really have it in for STJ. With all it's warts it has been helping people in New York City, and the rest of the world for a very long time. If people have a systemic hatred or dislike for the school, than I would recommend they associate themselves with some other institution that they could feel warmer about. Speaking just for me, I can say I was a kid living in Syracuse, NY and when it came to picking a school I chose to attend St. John's. It had a profound effect on me and the wonderful family my wife and I reared thru the years. Everyday I thank the Lord for a place where a first generation American could go and get a first class education. Yes, I think they should have a stop on the map.
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Frank, I think the SJU you attended (if you graduated in 1961), required jackets and ties on men, and if you worked 30 hours a week year round you could cover your own tuition if you were frugal. Also, for most NYers, it was the only game in town that was affordable among private schools, and sought to attract local Catholic kids. Today, it seeks to attract kids from around the nation, has strong local competition from Hoftsra, Adelphi, Molloy, and to a lesser extent Fordham. Tuition is sky high, even though grants and aid are fairly liberal. The thing that is apparent most when you visit other schools (which I am in the process of doing) is amenities. Student Health clubs, terrific healthy meals in all cafeterias, senior housing that is plush, coffee shops that put Starbucks to shame, and transportation that is better an any public transportation system around. Throw in a more competent and responsive adminsitration, more accomplished and well paid faculty, and for most academically qualified kids, going somewhere else is a no brainer.

There are plenty of intelligent posters on here who have agottena close glimpse of today's st john's and then have chosen to send their kids elsewhere. In fact, I think we would all be astounded at the relatively small number of legacies at the school. Part of this is due to the issues we've raised over and over here. My kids went somewhere else, but a fair amount of my money continues to support the school. I suspect that if changes aren't made, I will voluntarily withdraw my support from the Rob Wile building fund.
 
I know they have shuttles from the new Henley dorms which are not far from 169th or 179th. it would also save gas since the distance is shorter from campus to 169th than to Kew Gardens.

If they donate enough money to "beautify" and restore the station, im sure they can make it possible to add an NYPD guard stand in the station, and have influence in the department to police the area constantly.
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When I was first married, was on the parish council in my LI parish. At one end of the church property there was a police stand. Our long term pastor had put it up. One frigid winter night, he spotted a cop on foot patrol who was trying to stay warm, but not using the heated guard house. He asked him why, and he said his captain wouldn't let them use it. The pastor, a tough old-time Irish priest, drove to the police station the very next day, and purportedly told the captain, "I built the station for your officers to stay warm, and famn it, they are going to use it!!" Sure enough, the guard house soon was being used regularly. Great memories of when an Irish pastor commanded even Police captains.
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NYPD lore is that during the tenure of Cardinal Spellman, no promotion above Lieutenant in the NYPD could go through without approval from the Powerhouse, the Cardinal's residence, and that one of the big movements toward ecumenicism in the City was approval of the first two Jewish precinct Captains.
 
It sounds like some posters really have it in for STJ. With all it's warts it has been helping people in New York City, and the rest of the world for a very long time. If people have a systemic hatred or dislike for the school, than I would recommend they associate themselves with some other institution that they could feel warmer about. Speaking just for me, I can say I was a kid living in Syracuse, NY and when it came to picking a school I chose to attend St. John's. It had a profound effect on me and the wonderful family my wife and I reared thru the years. Everyday I thank the Lord for a place where a first generation American could go and get a first class education. Yes, I think they should have a stop on the map.
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Frank, I think the SJU you attended (if you graduated in 1961), required jackets and ties on men, and if you worked 30 hours a week year round you could cover your own tuition if you were frugal. Also, for most NYers, it was the only game in town that was affordable among private schools, and sought to attract local Catholic kids. Today, it seeks to attract kids from around the nation, has strong local competition from Hoftsra, Adelphi, Molloy, and to a lesser extent Fordham. Tuition is sky high, even though grants and aid are fairly liberal. The thing that is apparent most when you visit other schools (which I am in the process of doing) is amenities. Student Health clubs, terrific healthy meals in all cafeterias, senior housing that is plush, coffee shops that put Starbucks to shame, and transportation that is better an any public transportation system around. Throw in a more competent and responsive adminsitration, more accomplished and well paid faculty, and for most academically qualified kids, going somewhere else is a no brainer.

There are plenty of intelligent posters on here who have agottena close glimpse of today's st john's and then have chosen to send their kids elsewhere. In fact, I think we would all be astounded at the relatively small number of legacies at the school. Part of this is due to the issues we've raised over and over here. My kids went somewhere else, but a fair amount of my money continues to support the school. I suspect that if changes aren't made, I will voluntarily withdraw my support from the Rob Wile building fund.
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While much of what you say is true Beast, the St. John's of today is vastly different in terms of the infrastructure and is really not much different than most schools with similar demographics located in major cities. I went to a St. John's that had a barren campus, 12ft tall trees, no student union, no dorms and no social life after 3pm. Most students worked and yet we filled Alumni Hall, had a vibrant Greek life and few debts to pay upon graduation.
As you know, today's SJ has a beautiful campus with modern dorms, new buildings and over 3,000 live-in students from all 50 states. Yes, Fordham still ranks higher academically and has a subway stop because, like NYU and Columbia, the train actually takes you to the campus (or across the street). SJ has a nicer campus than Fordham and NYU has no campus.
We do not need a student health center since the new Queens Hospital Center is 4 blocks away and we have all the coffee bistros we need.
Many local kids choose to get away from their parents rather than from St. John's. Reading the posts from some of the grads here, I can see why! LOL!
I have a friend from upstate whose daughter chose to enroll at SJ rather than Syracuse and she loves it. The expansion of the university under Father Harrington has been rapid and fundraising is at an all time high. Our future is with out-of-state students and that is why the dorms keep expanding. All SJ needs is to be a little more selective in admissions and its rank would jump 30-40 points. Unfortunately, tuition still drives the bus here and unlike schools with huge endowments, SJ will accept a larger proportion of kids that will not stay 4 years. That is what has dragged the overall image down. I think that image will change in the years to come.
 
found this video, the area doesn't look that dangerous, plus there is a taxi stand right next to the train station, this cab company is the one that most students use when going out to the bars anyways.

 
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