Should SJU Play Princeton ?

jerseyshorejohnny

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FWIW .....Noticed this article that cites that Princeton has 5 open dates and is having trouble filling them.


Basketball coach Mitch Henderson is struggling to fill out Tigers' schedule.

Princeton University basketball coach Mitch Henderson is spending his offseason scaling Mount Everest.

At least, that’s what it feels like trying to fill out the Tigers’ nonconference schedule for 2016-17.

“We’ve called every school within 100 miles,” Henderson said. “All of them. Several times. They mostly ignore us, but often we get told, ‘No way.’ ”

The Tigers still have five openings. St. Joseph’s is coming to Jadwin Gym. Henderson’s staff is hopeful something with Iona will materialize. They’ve also reached out to Monmouth, which seems like a perfect opponent; teams aren’t exactly lining up to play the talented Hawks home-and-home.



There is hope that Rutgers’ hiring of Steve Pikiell — who experienced similar difficulty lining up opponents at Stony Brook — will open the door for Princeton. Former Rutgers coach Eddie Jordan abandoned the Scarlet Knights’ century-old series with the Tigers two years ago.

For now, Henderson is waiting by the phone.

Welcome to the plight of the strong mid-major.


“The difficulty has been there forever,” Henderson said. “It just happens to be a little more difficult when you have success.”

A closer look at Princeton, however, reveals the leper treatment of the Tigers is based on fallacies and outdated notions.

The primary fallacy is that there is nothing to gain by playing Princeton, except a potential loss.

That won’t be true next year. Princeton finished this past season with an RPI of 38 and brings everyone back off of a 22-7 squad that was just a hair behind Yale in the Ivy League. The Tigers also welcome back standout big man Hans Brase from a knee injury. They are a borderline Top 25 team going into 2016-17.

In other words, Princeton is going to provide a strength-of-schedule bump to anyone it plays.


“The (NCAA Tournament) Selection Committee says you’ve got to schedule well,” Henderson said. “I would argue that playing Princeton is scheduling well. We are a very strong game for anyone in terms of RPI, strength of schedule, quality of opponent.”

Now to the outdated notion: that playing Princeton is a slow-motion pain because of the deliberate offense that bears its name. In fact, the Tigers just averaged 79 points per game over the course of the season. They pushed the ball and fired away, leading the Ivy League in scoring.

“This isn’t your father’s Princeton,” Henderson said. “With the shot clock getting shorter, we play fast. We’re an up-tempo team. We’re not holding the ball — we can’t.”

Cast aside the myths and you see the truth. Princeton-Seton Hall would be a blast and a boost to both programs. Ditto for Princeton-Monmouth.

“That makes a lot of sense for both teams,” Henderson said of the latter, “considering where they are and where we are. It would be an attractive local game.”
 
We should play the best local teams every year at home. Why not. I would have no problem playing Iona, Monmouth, or Princeton.
 
I don't post as much as I used to in years past, but this is a subject that has been much discussed. In the past few years, we have many non conference games against random low Div. I teams. Just this year we had UMBC and Incarnate Word. If we've got room in the non-conference for teams like that, then we've got room to play more local teams. Depending on how many slots we have (given tournaments, etc.) we should be playing some combination of Iona, Manhattan, LIU, Columbia, St. Francis, Wagner (who we did play this year), Hofstra and Stony Brook. If you want to add Princeton or Monmouth or even NJIT, that's fine too.

But personally I can do without UMBC, Incarnate Word, Charleston Southern, Franklin Pierce, Longwood, Youngstown State and some of the other random stiffs we've been playing in recent years.
 
I always enjoy seeing the non-conf schedule after it's finalized.

Maybe not first two or three games, but this would be a solid add vs. cupcake or a UMBC type that fills a slot
 
I wouldn't call Incarnate Word a random stiff team. They took us to the cleaners in December 73-51.
Duke
 
I wouldn't call Incarnate Word a random stiff team. They took us to the cleaners in December 73-51.

That game did absolutely nothing for us. If we are going to play random mid-major schools from Texas, it should have been Stephen F. Austin. I'd rather lose to them by 35 than lose to Incarnate Word.

It remains to be seen if any cupcake schools are truly cupcakes against us, but I don't think those cupcakes should come from anywhere south of Maryland. And even that is probably too far south most years. Put the locals on the schedule, and even play them at their place.
 
I always get joy from beating Ivy League schools even if they are at an inherent disadvantage due to Scholarships etc. Play all the good local teams.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to playing Princeton. But would rather play Columbia, another NYC team.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to playing Princeton. But would rather play Columbia, another NYC team.

depends on if we think we are building a tournament resume next season. local nyc team would be great but princeton would be better for rip, sos etc.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to playing Princeton. But would rather play Columbia, another NYC team.

Would still like to see a Big Apple tourney: SJU, Manhattan, Columbia, Fordham, etc.
 
It goes back 40 years ago but in the 1975/1976 season the troika of St. John's, Rutgers and Princeton provided some of the beat local basketball rivalry that this area has ever seen. Rutgers had a season for the ages and went undefeated into the final four winning 31 straight games before under performing in the final four and losing to both Michigan and UCLA in the now obsolete third place consolation game. They were led by a great lineup of talent including Phil Sellers, Mike Dabney, Eddie Jordan, Hollis Copeland and Jammin James Bailey.

Arguably the two toughest games of Rutger's 31 straight wins was against Princeton and St. John's. Rutgers beat a very good St. John's team headed by Frank Alagia, George Johnson, Beaver Smith and Glenn Williams by three points in the Garden late in the season. Rutgers first round game in the NCAA tournament was against the legendary Pete Carril's Princeton Tigers. The Tigers were led by a future NBA guard Armond Hill and two long range dead-eye shooting big men Frank Sowinski and Barnes Hauptfuhrer. The game was a nail biter and in the final seconds little used reserve Pete Molloy went to the line with a chance to win the game. Molloy bricked his front end of a one and one free throw with four seconds left and Rutgers survived 54-53.

Princeton was no fluke that year they went 22-5. In January the Redmen went on the road to play Princeton at Jadwin Gym and lost to the Tigers in a hard fought contest 58- 55 . Despite losing both of those close games to Princeton and Rutgers, St. John's had a great team that year and wound up 23-6. Two of their losses came at the hands of Bobby Knight's national champion Indiana Hoosiers (The last undefeated national champion in Men's D1). There was a seven point loss in the Garden to the Hoosiers followed by a twenty point loss in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

In those days the tournament field was just 32 teams and St. John's, Princeton and Rutgers were among the best in the nation. Their three epic battles against each other that season was from an era that has long past, but it would still be nice to see the locals play each other and stimulate some rivalries of significance.
 
Great post Ghost, brought back great times and memories. Did you do it off the top of your head or was some research required? Them were the days!
 
Great post Ghost, brought back great times and memories. Did you do it off the top of your head or was some research required? Them were the days!

Them were the days, alright: Aside from having those great rivalries, we were 40 years younger. :(
 
I wouldn't be opposed to playing Princeton. But would rather play Columbia, another NYC team.

Would still like to see a Big Apple tourney: SJU, Manhattan, Columbia, Fordham, etc.
Agree. At least rivalries like the Philly teams, Nova, Temple et al. Would throw in Iona.
 
Bamafan Wrote: Great post Ghost, brought back great times and memories. Did you do it off the top of your head or was some research required? Them were the days!

Much of it I did from memory because it was such a memorable season in my mind but definitely used basketballreference.com for some of the specific details included, because accuracy counts for me.

My sister Went to Princeton back then and I was very clued in to that team and Rutgers legendary season is etched clearly in my mind. I always follow St. John's and that year's team was very memorable to me.
 
The benefit would be playing a first class team and school that is only a short ride for the team and the fans. On the other hand, there really isn't a reasonable payday in a game like that in a smaller campus gym both home and away.
You can probably support a Barkley game against St.Francis or even in a Garden double with Fordham/Iona/ Manhattan/ and us , but; I would rather see an annual home and home with Penn at the Palestra. Same class and challenge and with the same short ride for the fans but a bigger payday.
 
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