Seton Hall Can't Be Serious

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 Did anyone notice their non-conference schedule which was released today. They include match ups with the following NCAA powerhouses (joke):

Missouri-Kansas City, Norfolk State, Maine, St. Peter's, Longwood, NJIT, North Carolina A&T, LIU, Stony Brook, Washington and either Ohio St. or Rhode Island. LSU (who lost 15 games last year) is also on the schedule for them for the Big East-SEC Challenge.

Yes, I know Stony Brook & Washington had good seasons last year but neither made the NCAA. Norfolk St did make the NCAA but they may as well have mailed it in given how they were embarrassed by Florida. The Pirates better hope they are not a bubble team come March hoping that their strength of schedule gets them in.
 
 Did anyone notice their non-conference schedule which was released today. They include match ups with the following NCAA powerhouses (joke):

Missouri-Kansas City, Norfolk State, Maine, St. Peter's, Longwood, NJIT, North Carolina A&T, LIU, Stony Brook, Washington and either Ohio St. or Rhode Island. LSU (who lost 15 games last year) is also on the schedule for them for the Big East-SEC Challenge.

Yes, I know Stony Brook & Washington had good seasons last year but neither made the NCAA. Norfolk St did make the NCAA but they may as well have mailed it in given how they were embarrassed by Florida. The Pirates better hope they are not a bubble team come March hoping that their strength of schedule gets them in.
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Weak schedule but tell me your kidding with the Norfolk state line. They knocked off a TWO seed.
 
Given how bad they lost to the Gators I completely forgot about the Missouri win, very good point. Although I felt all year long that Missouri was a very overrrated team but still, quite an accomplishment for a 15 seed. Not sure that winning the game against Missouri however adds to the strength of schedule.  
 
 It never pays to beat up on cupcakes. There will always be more respect for the teams who go right at the top dogs and win a few.
 
 Did anyone notice their non-conference schedule which was released today. They include match ups with the following NCAA powerhouses (joke):

Missouri-Kansas City, Norfolk State, Maine, St. Peter's, Longwood, NJIT, North Carolina A&T, LIU, Stony Brook, Washington and either Ohio St. or Rhode Island. LSU (who lost 15 games last year) is also on the schedule for them for the Big East-SEC Challenge.

Yes, I know Stony Brook & Washington had good seasons last year but neither made the NCAA. Norfolk St did make the NCAA but they may as well have mailed it in given how they were embarrassed by Florida. The Pirates better hope they are not a bubble team come March hoping that their strength of schedule gets them in.
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Those first two games are the regional rounds of the Hall of Fame tournament, with the semis and finals played at Mohegan Sun. Seton Hall did not schedule them. They are similar to our games last year with William & Mary, and Lehigh. 
 
:lol: Sort of reminds me of what Dick Vitale used to refer to as "The Jim Boeheim Cupcake Schedule". Either 9 straight home games, or 9 of 10 at home, and an away game with Canisius. When I lived in Sorrycuse, I used to laugh at the SU fans when they would brag about how their team won by 45 or 50 points over Brown, Jackson State, LeMoyne, Utica College, Buffalo, Texas-Arlington, New Hampshire, Cornell, & Central Connecticut State. :cheer:
 
Looks like I overlooked one team on their schedule, they also play Wake Forest. Yes, the 13-18 Demon Deacons from a year ago, I guess they wanted to be able to say they have an ACC team on their schedule ; )
 
 A crappy OOC schedule only hurts Seton Hall in the end. Come tourney selection time and they are on the bubble, it can be a real killer.
 
 A crappy OOC schedule only hurts Seton Hall in the end. Come tourney selection time and they are on the bubble, it can be a real killer.
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tell that to cincinnati, they always schedule the easiest opponents.
 
 I think you guys are going a little overboard ... Washington, LSU, Ohio State, and Wake Forest.. plus a tournament team in Norfolk St. That's not awful. If it were my team I'd want a harder schedule. But the Hall lost Pope and Theodore, so they're rebuilding a little. Plus they play in the Big East. And at least for this season still, it's impossible to play in the BE and have a terribly low sos.

I see your point, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
And personally, I'm kind've hoping for an easier schedule for us this year. There's going to be a lot of different parts being integrated this fall; I'd rather play cupcakes in November and December and build some confidence and a nice win-loss record.
 
Plus I think Wake Forest brought in a nice recruiting class. LSU should be better too. You can't say that WF and LSU are easy games because of their records last year. What if someone said, "Yea the Johnnies they went 13-19 last year so we'll roll over them right? No, we got better and these teams could've gotten better. Also, Seton Hall will have to prove themselves eventually. They are in the Big East 
 
 Did anyone notice their non-conference schedule which was released today. They include match ups with the following NCAA powerhouses (joke):

Missouri-Kansas City, Norfolk State, Maine, St. Peter's, Longwood, NJIT, North Carolina A&T, LIU, Stony Brook, Washington and either Ohio St. or Rhode Island. LSU (who lost 15 games last year) is also on the schedule for them for the Big East-SEC Challenge.

Yes, I know Stony Brook & Washington had good seasons last year but neither made the NCAA. Norfolk St did make the NCAA but they may as well have mailed it in given how they were embarrassed by Florida. The Pirates better hope they are not a bubble team come March hoping that their strength of schedule gets them in.
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I could see them winning 20 games, and bee-yatching about how unfair the selection committee is when they're only NIT bound at the end of the year. :)
 
 A crappy OOC schedule only hurts Seton Hall in the end. Come tourney selection time and they are on the bubble, it can be a real killer.
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Agreed, but I don't see SH being anywhere near the bubble this year. If they couldn't make the tournament with last year's team, this year's will be safely positions in the bottom four of the Big East. I guess some wins against cupcakes will make them feel better.
 
 A crappy OOC schedule only hurts Seton Hall in the end. Come tourney selection time and they are on the bubble, it can be a real killer.
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Agreed, but I don't see SH being anywhere near the bubble this year. If they couldn't make the tournament with last year's team, this year's will be safely positions in the bottom four of the Big East. I guess some wins against cupcakes will make them feel better.
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Agree with you although anything can happen. I think Edwin is really good though. Not sure how I feel about Willard & his recruits
 
 I think you guys are going a little overboard ... Washington, LSU, Ohio State, and Wake Forest.. plus a tournament team in Norfolk St. That's not awful. If it were my team I'd want a harder schedule. But the Hall lost Pope and Theodore, so they're rebuilding a little. Plus they play in the Big East. And at least for this season still, it's impossible to play in the BE and have a terribly low sos.

I see your point, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
And personally, I'm kind've hoping for an easier schedule for us this year. There's going to be a lot of different parts being integrated this fall; I'd rather play cupcakes in November and December and build some confidence and a nice win-loss record.
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I agree with you that the schedule isn't that bad. They are playing teams from big conferences in Ohio St and Wash who are both good to very good teams. LSU and Wake are middling programs but still BCS level teams which always helps your SOS. Norfolk St is not the same team as last year. Losing O'Quinn hurts them big time. And throwing in a URI with hot new coach in Hurley and just a level below the BCS level teams is fine. I guess the problem is if they don't play OSU and play URI instead the schedule drops significantly.

So 9 'easy' games they should win and 4 challenging games. They better win those 9. Because otherwise they set themselves up for no margin of error since they can't fall back on super hard OOC SOS.
 
 The only team on that schedule projected to be an NCAA team is Ohio St and no guarantee they play them. LSU is a middle of the SEC team at this point at best and Wake is coming off two HORRIBLE years and are still a year or 2 away from being any good.

The home schedule is bad. No real national TV opportunities.

Sorry not a great schedule.
 
 The only team on that schedule projected to be an NCAA team is Ohio St and no guarantee they play them. LSU is a middle of the SEC team at this point at best and Wake is coming off two HORRIBLE years and are still a year or 2 away from being any good.

The home schedule is bad. No real national TV opportunities.

Sorry not a great schedule.
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I've seen worse was what I was saying.

As for where they are playing these teams I didn't look or have any idea. Hard to sell tickets in a half draped off arena if you don't play a BCS level team or two in your building. 
 
Well here is what Coach Willard said after being snubbed last year:

“I think I’m going to change the way I do scheduling now. I’m thinking of modeling it more like Louisville does, like Syracuse, Duke, Kentucky. I don’t think I’m going to play any away games, just play all home games. I thought we put together a really good non-conference schedule to help us out . . . It obviously doesn’t matter who you play in the non-conference. It’s just a matter of what you do in your conference . . . Playing road games and playing neutral-site games doesn’t help your team survive the conference. I’ve learned that very quickly. We’ll take a look at our schedule—next year is done, but the year after that we’ll look at it and see if we can not leave the state and play all home games and get ready for the Big East.”

I think Coach Willard made this out of frustration but he is factually incorrect and also he totally misread what the Committee was saying. First off he implies his OOC schedule this past year was too difficult, despite the fact they went a near perfect 11-1 in it and still did not make the Tourney. Obviously it was not particularly strong and now you are saying you want to make it even weaker???

Secondly, yes those schools play a lot of home games they also play a lot of top level opponents. Kentucky played UNC, Indiana, Kansas and Louisville this past year. 2 Final Four teams, a team everyone agrees probably would have been in the Final Four if not for an injury(UNC) and a big time IU team. And those weren't scheduled as a result of a Tourney.

Syracuse played in the pre-season NIT, they played Florida at home and NC St on the road. Not overwhelming but pretty good. The difference is Syracuse knows they are goint to win 12, 13, 14 BE games if not more. Which in itself will more then make up for their weaker OOC schedule.
 
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