Season Ticket Renewal

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Got the below from the ticket office. I can't imagine that there will any live attendance this season but FYI:
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The St. John’s men’s basketball team’s season ticket renewal deadline is approaching on August 28, 2020.

During these unprecedented times, our staff continues to work on the details of exactly what the game day experience will look like and how many fans will safely be allowed in Carnesecca Arena and Madison Square Garden this season. In addition, the St. John’s Ticket Office has developed the following options that are available to season ticket holders should the 2020-21 season be adjusted in the coming months:

• Your 2020-21 payments can be applied towards the 2021-22 season.
• You can convert your payment and/or your per seat contributions into tax-deductible donations toward the Red White Club
• You can receive a full refund on your 2020-21 ticket payments and per seat contributions to the original payment method.
• If you are on a payment plan and there are games removed from the schedule, the prorated amount will be dropped from the end of your payment plan.

Should there be capacity restrictions at Carnesecca Arena and/or Madison Square Garden, renewed season ticket holders will have priority on available seating locations. If you are unhappy with the latter seating options, you can request any of the above credit/refund options.

Currently, we do not foresee single game tickets being available to St. John’s Basketball home contests. To see the Johnnies in the 2020-21 season, purchase your season tickets online now by logging in to your MY JOHNNIES account and selecting your payment plan or by calling the below ticket office representatives.
 
Yeah, I received it as well and I agree it's doubtful that there will be bodies in the stands, let alone an actual season unless it's in a bubble like I've heard being thrown around. I'll renew and most likely will end up applying the funds to my R/W contribution and see what happens next year.
 
[quote="fan since 65" post=396398]Yeah, I received it as well and I agree it's doubtful that there will be bodies in the stands, let alone an actual season unless it's in a bubble like I've heard being thrown around. I'll renew and most likely will end up applying the funds to my R/W contribution and see what happens next year.[/quote]

That's my lean as well
 
[quote="fan since 65" post=396398]Yeah, I received it as well and I agree it's doubtful that there will be bodies in the stands, let alone an actual season unless it's in a bubble like I've heard being thrown around. I'll renew and most likely will end up applying the funds to my R/W contribution and see what happens next year.[/quote]

Think we will see plastic cut outs of fans in the lower tier at Carnesecca this season
 
We may see other benefits to fans who renew if the season is canceled or in game attendance not possible. I will only say that the leadership of the Athletic Department is very sympathetic towards this situation, very appreciative of our fans renewing with a season in doubt, and is focused on thanking in a substantive way those who transfer their season ticket payments towards RW.

We have great leadership that cares an awful lot about our school and our fans.
 
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Assuming no in person games or cancelled season I intend to roll half of this over to the following year and let the program have the rest as a donation.
 
Does anyone know if any of the other Big East teams are asking their ticket holders for the same thing right now? I mean, it does look kind of petty to demand all payments right now, especially when they even admit that there likely won't be fans at games.

I understand that refunds and deferrals are fine options, but some people just can't afford to pay up right now, because of the pandemic. Why not give them an option to defer actual payment until something is announced (maybe a small deposit to make a reservation of sorts, which can also be refunded if the season is cancelled, or they can pay the rest if they allow fans in)?

With nothing announced yet re: the season, this seems like a greedy money grab, on the face of it. All four options presented in lawman's post are fine, but why do they totally need all of it now? People who can't pay for a year, should not be penalized, IMO.

Obviously, if they announce that fans will be given the OK at some point this season, then you can demand something, but no need for them to get the cash now, especially when there is no semblance of a schedule out yet.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=396502]Does anyone know if any of the other Big East teams are asking their ticket holders for the same thing right now? I mean, it does look kind of petty to demand all payments right now, especially when they even admit that there likely won't be fans at games.

I understand that refunds and deferrals are fine options, but some people just can't afford to pay up right now, because of the pandemic. Why not give them an option to defer actual payment until something is announced (maybe a small deposit to make a reservation of sorts, which can also be refunded if the season is cancelled, or they can pay the rest if they allow fans in)?

With nothing announced yet re: the season, this seems like a greedy money grab, on the face of it. All four options presented in lawman's post are fine, but why do they totally need all of it now? People who can't pay for a year, should not be penalized, IMO.

Obviously, if they announce that fans will be given the OK at some point this season, then you can demand something, but no need for them to get the cash now, especially when there is no semblance of a schedule out yet.[/quote]

Maybe I’m giving SJU too much credit in my head. But I think they would be open to one off situations. It’s not a state secret that there aren’t many seasons ticket holders. And many are long time holders like yourself. I think if you email them because calling is likely pointless and ask to discuss they should and will.

Most professional teams who have wait lists of thousands of people are allowing current holders to defer for a year. If you refer to that as example I’m sure it helps the cause.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=396502]Does anyone know if any of the other Big East teams are asking their ticket holders for the same thing right now? I mean, it does look kind of petty to demand all payments right now, especially when they even admit that there likely won't be fans at games.

I understand that refunds and deferrals are fine options, but some people just can't afford to pay up right now, because of the pandemic. Why not give them an option to defer actual payment until something is announced (maybe a small deposit to make a reservation of sorts, which can also be refunded if the season is cancelled, or they can pay the rest if they allow fans in)?

With nothing announced yet re: the season, this seems like a greedy money grab, on the face of it. All four options presented in lawman's post are fine, but why do they totally need all of it now? People who can't pay for a year, should not be penalized, IMO.

Obviously, if they announce that fans will be given the OK at some point this season, then you can demand something, but no need for them to get the cash now, especially when there is no semblance of a schedule out yet.[/quote]

Just to be complete, they aren't demanding full payment now, and you can choose a 7 payment option. (The donation though is front loaded). It's very likely that you will not be seated in your normal seat anyway if they do allow attendance, since fans will be socially distanced, if allowed in at all. It's kind of hard to imagine that fans will be allowed in at all, if there is indeed a season to be played. I think, as Moose said, if you called them and explained your circumstance they would make allowances.
 
FYI- came across the chart recently. It didn't render great on here but you get the point.

NFL TEAMS OFFERING SEASON-TICKET REFUNDS

GIVING FANS NO-PENALTY DEFERRAL IF THEY WANT
Bills
Patriots
Titans
Dolphins
Giants
Packers
Texans
Jets
Eagles
Colts
Washington
Steelers
Browns
Seahawks
Saints
Bengals
Chargers
Broncos
Panthers
Falcons
Vikings

AUTOMATICALLY DEFERRING ALL SEASON TICKETS
Chiefs
Ravens
49ers
Jaguars
Bears
Rams
Cowboys
Buccaneers
Cardinals
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396507][quote="SJU61982" post=396502]Does anyone know if any of the other Big East teams are asking their ticket holders for the same thing right now? I mean, it does look kind of petty to demand all payments right now, especially when they even admit that there likely won't be fans at games.

I understand that refunds and deferrals are fine options, but some people just can't afford to pay up right now, because of the pandemic. Why not give them an option to defer actual payment until something is announced (maybe a small deposit to make a reservation of sorts, which can also be refunded if the season is cancelled, or they can pay the rest if they allow fans in)?

With nothing announced yet re: the season, this seems like a greedy money grab, on the face of it. All four options presented in lawman's post are fine, but why do they totally need all of it now? People who can't pay for a year, should not be penalized, IMO.

Obviously, if they announce that fans will be given the OK at some point this season, then you can demand something, but no need for them to get the cash now, especially when there is no semblance of a schedule out yet.[/quote]

Just to be complete, they aren't demanding full payment now, and you can choose a 7 payment option. (The donation though is front loaded). It's very likely that you will not be seated in your normal seat anyway if they do allow attendance, since fans will be socially distanced, if allowed in at all. It's kind of hard to imagine that fans will be allowed in at all, if there is indeed a season to be played. I think, as Moose said, if you called them and explained your circumstance they would make allowances.[/quote]

My financial situation is actually pretty OK (all things considered), but I'm looking out for the little guy.

Why demand anything now, even if it's just that you can pay in installments? I mean, we've known for months of this possibility. Nothing has really changed.

They're basically saying "we don't have a schedule, we don't think we will have a schedule (at least, not one including fans), but we want your money now, anyway, and oh by the way, if we don't get it, you won't be allowed to purchase when we do come back." At least, that's how it came across in the email.

I don't mind not having my normal seat when they do come back, if they have to abide by social distancing guidelines, as long as I'm guaranteed first crack at my regular seats when we are allowed to come back in full. Totally understand that. Probably wouldn't even ask for a partial refund, although that depends on a few things.

RE: the 7 month payment plans. Can you start that now? Because usually they offer that in spring, and full payment is usually due around now. If you started payments in the spring, then I totally get how this plan works for you. But even if you can, it still comes across as them asking for money upfront, for something they know very well may not happen. I just think there's something not right about that (not that it will stop me from renewing, anyway).

The NCAA has even said that they will make a decision by mid-September. Why demand any payments before that?
 
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[quote="Moose" post=396513]FYI- came across the chart recently. It didn't render great on here but you get the point.

NFL TEAMS OFFERING SEASON-TICKET REFUNDS

GIVING FANS NO-PENALTY DEFERRAL IF THEY WANT
Bills
Patriots
Titans
Dolphins
Giants
Packers
Texans
Jets
Eagles
Colts
Washington
Steelers
Browns
Seahawks
Saints
Bengals
Chargers
Broncos
Panthers
Falcons
Vikings

AUTOMATICALLY DEFERRING ALL SEASON TICKETS
Chiefs
Ravens
49ers
Jaguars
Bears
Rams
Cowboys
Buccaneers
Cardinals[/quote]

But, most of those teams demanded payment before the pandemic even started (or at least, early enough in the pandemic, when we thought for sure everything would be back to normal by fall, or close to it), so people started paying (even just factoring in unplayed playoff games means some teams- if they got eliminated early- got a head start long before the pandemic). The NFL also released a schedule, so at least, they knew the dates if they did come back. Plus, as you said, they had a wait list to think of.

We have none of those advantages, unfortunately, so IMO, there's no reason to demand anything until the NCAA reaches it's decision next month.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=396517][quote="Moose" post=396513]FYI- came across the chart recently. It didn't render great on here but you get the point.

NFL TEAMS OFFERING SEASON-TICKET REFUNDS

GIVING FANS NO-PENALTY DEFERRAL IF THEY WANT
Bills
Patriots
Titans
Dolphins
Giants
Packers
Texans
Jets
Eagles
Colts
Washington
Steelers
Browns
Seahawks
Saints
Bengals
Chargers
Broncos
Panthers
Falcons
Vikings

AUTOMATICALLY DEFERRING ALL SEASON TICKETS
Chiefs
Ravens
49ers
Jaguars
Bears
Rams
Cowboys
Buccaneers
Cardinals[/quote]

But, most of those teams demanded payment before the pandemic even started (or at least, early enough in the pandemic, when we thought for sure everything would be back to normal by fall, or close to it), so people started paying (even just factoring in unplayed playoff games means some teams- if they got eliminated early- got a head start long before the pandemic). The NFL also released a schedule, so at least, they knew the dates if they did come back. Plus, as you said, they had a wait list to think of.

We have none of those advantages, unfortunately, so IMO, there's no reason to demand anything until the NCAA reaches it's decision next month.[/quote]

You can dive deeper into them but I’m pretty certain they are a lot more flexible than you’re giving them credit. All leagues have been for the vast majority. The isolated cases where they weren’t were snuffed out quickly and ridiculed. Everyone knows this wacky world were in and is open to flexibility. Man I’m giving SJU credit here. They better not prove me wrong.

I’m just curious how hard or easy it will be for you to contact them. Grabbing my popcorn
 
Responding to Moose's last post, but not going to use the quotes, because I want everyone to see this (at least, I want them to see everything after the next paragraph):

I'm not going to contact them. We'll pay. I just don't particularly like it very much. I'm also surprised that this got a better reception on here then the moblie/printed only ticket option, which I have no problem with at all. The world's been going in that direction for quite some time, now. I'm not very computer literate, and even I find printing out tickets to be very easy to do.

Now, for the part that I want everyone to see. THEY ARE NOT BEING 100% HONEST WITH REGARDS TO THE 7-PAYMENT PLAN. If you take that option, they are basically asking for 3 payments right off the bat, then you will be billed monthly through December 1. In fact, that's the only option they're taking online, as of right now.

So, I was inaccurate when I said that they were demanding full payment by next week. I'm still not a big fan of what they are offering (but again, I'm a hypocrite - it won't stop me), but this is somewhat better, though I don't like the partial dishonesty regarding the payments.
 
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I would be interested to know what % of SJU basketball's revenues come from ticket sales vs TV revenues. I would think a higher % would come from TV, but maybe I'm wrong. In any event, if the season is cancelled, will the school lose the TV revenue?

I can see all of this becoming a hot issue, because most coach's contracts pay in full, even if the season is cancelled. And most coaches' salaries are about 10 times' the salary of a typical professor (if not more). I will add that I love CMA, he's a great hire, so not meant to be a personal commentary on him.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=396520]Responding to Moose's last post, but not going to use the quotes, because I want everyone to see this (at least, I want them to see everything after the next paragraph):

I'm not going to contact them. We'll pay. I just don't particularly like it very much. I'm also surprised that this got a better reception on here then the moblie/printed only ticket option, which I have no problem with at all. The world's been going in that direction for quite some time, now. I'm not very computer literate, and even I find printing out tickets to be very easy to do.

Now, for the part that I want everyone to see. THEY ARE NOT BEING 100% HONEST WITH REGARDS TO THE 7-PAYMENT PLAN. If you take that option, they are basically asking for 3 payments right off the bat, then you will be billed monthly through December 1. In fact, that's the only option they're taking online, as of right now.

So, I was inaccurate when I said that they were demanding full payment by next week. I'm still not a big fan of what they are offering (but again, I'm a hypocrite - it won't stop me), but this is somewhat better, though I don't like the partial dishonesty regarding the payments.[/quote]

I usually pay in full before the season, but I chose the 7 payment option (it may be the only option but I did opt for it). I don't think there is dishonesty involved.

Basketball basically produces nearly 100% of the revenue produced by our Division one athletic teams. All the cash it creates doesn't even cover the cost of fielding all the teams. If we go a season without basketball, the dropoff in revenue will be catastrophic even if every other varsity team has their season canceled. Coaches get paid, the entire department gets paid, facilities have to be maintained.

I think this is an attempt to have some cash flow into the department should in person games not be possible. Think about it - even if every season ticket holder donated that amount to the school, I'm guessing that does not even account for 50% of ticket revenue. There could be layoffs, dopping some sports, etc. ALmost for certain cost cutting measures should we not have a season. Hundreds of schools with revenue producing sports are faced with the same dilemma.
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396404][quote="fan since 65" post=396398]Yeah, I received it as well and I agree it's doubtful that there will be bodies in the stands, let alone an actual season unless it's in a bubble like I've heard being thrown around. I'll renew and most likely will end up applying the funds to my R/W contribution and see what happens next year.[/quote]

Think we will see plastic cut outs of fans in the lower tier at Carnesecca this season[/quote]

I have been to far too many games to know...The Cut outs will probably show more excitement that the regular fans who sit there. Just saying what most people think.
 
By the way, I just renewed today and I was able to use the seven payment plan. Of course because it’s late August, the first three payments were taken out on my credit card all at once. But the remaining four payments will be taken over the next four months.
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396404][quote="fan since 65" post=396398]Yeah, I received it as well and I agree it's doubtful that there will be bodies in the stands, let alone an actual season unless it's in a bubble like I've heard being thrown around. I'll renew and most likely will end up applying the funds to my R/W contribution and see what happens next year.[/quote]

Think we will see plastic cut outs of fans in the lower tier at Carnesecca this season[/quote] Plastic melts they better be careful :)
 
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