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One of the last greats of that generation.
One of the last greats of that generation.
RIP Whitey Ford
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wow. I met him and Rizzuto at an autograph signing in Nassau a long time ago.
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[quote="Monte" post=399450]Coincidentally today is Joe Pepitone's 80th birthday.[/quote]
And John Lennon
And John Lennon
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[quote="barbs20" post=399453]this one really hurts RIP. Probably the greatest Yankees pitcher ever.[/quote]
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.
[quote="SJU61982" post=399455][quote="barbs20" post=399453]this one really hurts RIP. Probably the greatest Yankees pitcher ever.[/quote]
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.[/quote]
Agreed. The closest IMO are Gator and Stott(great pitcher on some bad teams), who both didn't do it long enough, and Petitte who did it long enough but not as well. Talking about of the guys I've seen, off top of my head. Oh yeah, and Mike Kekich.
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.[/quote]
Agreed. The closest IMO are Gator and Stott(great pitcher on some bad teams), who both didn't do it long enough, and Petitte who did it long enough but not as well. Talking about of the guys I've seen, off top of my head. Oh yeah, and Mike Kekich.
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[quote="Monte" post=399456][quote="SJU61982" post=399455][quote="barbs20" post=399453]this one really hurts RIP. Probably the greatest Yankees pitcher ever.[/quote]
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.[/quote]
Agreed. The closest IMO are Gator and Stott(great pitcher on some bad teams), who both didn't do it long enough, and Petitte who did it long enough but not as well. Talking about of the guys I've seen, off top of my head. Oh yeah, and Mike Kekich.[/quote]
Well, Lefty Grove comes to mind, but Ford has the highest winning % ever (.690) for pitchers above 150 wins. I cheated now, and Red Ruffing is up there. Funny, when you compare Yankee great pitchers of all time vs. Mets, it isn't as ridiculous as you would say off the top of your head, especially given that the Yankees franchise is so much older.
I don't think there's any "probably" about that. The only other pitcher who was as dominant for as long of a stretch was Rivera, but that's an apples to oranges comparison, IMO.[/quote]
Agreed. The closest IMO are Gator and Stott(great pitcher on some bad teams), who both didn't do it long enough, and Petitte who did it long enough but not as well. Talking about of the guys I've seen, off top of my head. Oh yeah, and Mike Kekich.[/quote]
Well, Lefty Grove comes to mind, but Ford has the highest winning % ever (.690) for pitchers above 150 wins. I cheated now, and Red Ruffing is up there. Funny, when you compare Yankee great pitchers of all time vs. Mets, it isn't as ridiculous as you would say off the top of your head, especially given that the Yankees franchise is so much older.
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How the hell did it take two ballots to get him into the HOF, and only 77.8% on the second ballot?
Pride of Astoria.
Pride of Astoria.
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[quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
For a season(or two), no doubt IMO Koufax. Don't forget, he started his career with some mediocre seasons, but finished with arguably the best 5 or 6 year stretch ever. For a career, Ford. At their best, Koufax the better pitcher by all accounts.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
For a season(or two), no doubt IMO Koufax. Don't forget, he started his career with some mediocre seasons, but finished with arguably the best 5 or 6 year stretch ever. For a career, Ford. At their best, Koufax the better pitcher by all accounts.
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[quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
Just checked baseball reference, their 162 game averages pretty close to same except for Ks. Whitey had 1 CYA his entire career. Koufax had 3 CYAs in his last 4 seasons, including his final 2 seasons. Whitey was great at his best. Koufax was other-worldly at his best.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
Just checked baseball reference, their 162 game averages pretty close to same except for Ks. Whitey had 1 CYA his entire career. Koufax had 3 CYAs in his last 4 seasons, including his final 2 seasons. Whitey was great at his best. Koufax was other-worldly at his best.
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[quote="Monte" post=399475][quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
Just checked baseball reference, their 162 game averages pretty close to same except for Ks. Whitey had 1 CYA his entire career. Koufax had 3 CYAs in his last 4 seasons, including his final 2 seasons. Whitey was great at his best. Koufax was other-worldly at his best.[/quote]
Great Koufax book by Jane Leavy I believe. Rumored that Walter Alston was fiercely anti-semitic, and resented that in 1955 he was trying to win a pennant, and had to keep Koufax on the roster because he was a bonus baby. I believe he was 11-10 in 57 and it was because Alston would frequently skip him in the rotation. In the off season koufax threatened to retire if he wasn't permanently a starter. Koufax is intensely principled. He wouldnt sign with the yankees after they sent a jewish scout to influence him. In any event Koufax I believe won 18 games in 1958 and was incredible the rest of his career, despite weak dodger bats.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
Just checked baseball reference, their 162 game averages pretty close to same except for Ks. Whitey had 1 CYA his entire career. Koufax had 3 CYAs in his last 4 seasons, including his final 2 seasons. Whitey was great at his best. Koufax was other-worldly at his best.[/quote]
Great Koufax book by Jane Leavy I believe. Rumored that Walter Alston was fiercely anti-semitic, and resented that in 1955 he was trying to win a pennant, and had to keep Koufax on the roster because he was a bonus baby. I believe he was 11-10 in 57 and it was because Alston would frequently skip him in the rotation. In the off season koufax threatened to retire if he wasn't permanently a starter. Koufax is intensely principled. He wouldnt sign with the yankees after they sent a jewish scout to influence him. In any event Koufax I believe won 18 games in 1958 and was incredible the rest of his career, despite weak dodger bats.
[quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math.
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Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math.
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[quote="bamafan" post=399477][quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math. :lol:[/quote]
Wait, isn't Knight our resident statistician??? B)
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math.
:lol:[/quote]Wait, isn't Knight our resident statistician??? B)
[quote="Monte" post=399482][quote="bamafan" post=399477][quote="Knight" post=399470]I remember the argument of who was the better pitcher, Ford or Koufax.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math. :lol:[/quote]
Wait, isn't Knight our resident statistician??? B)[/quote]
Oops, Calculator recovering from COVID. 71-19 are the correct numbers.
I’ll wear my mask next time.
Whitey Ford’s record was 236-106; Sandy Koufax had a record of 165-87.
Koufax would have to have gone 129-19 to equal Ford’s record.[/quote]
May want to check your math.
:lol:[/quote]Wait, isn't Knight our resident statistician??? B)[/quote]
Oops, Calculator recovering from COVID. 71-19 are the correct numbers.
I’ll wear my mask next time.
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greatest yankee pitcher ever.
stengel too often would hold #16 back a start, to pitch against the opponent's best pitcher.
about a month ago on facebook, someone posted a picture of the apartment building where whitey grew up in
it was one of those typical astoria brick 1940ish six story buildings
lived many years in lake success where he was a devoted grandfather
rip chairman of the board
stengel too often would hold #16 back a start, to pitch against the opponent's best pitcher.
about a month ago on facebook, someone posted a picture of the apartment building where whitey grew up in
it was one of those typical astoria brick 1940ish six story buildings
lived many years in lake success where he was a devoted grandfather
rip chairman of the board
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While not a Yankee fan remember seeing him pitch. Amazing how he dominated given he "normal" stature and less than overpowering fastball. Whitey was a master at control with the help of Yogi and Elston and the "ring" he pitched with.