tom in salem
Well-known member
Thought vanillanova was going the football route.
PS, you forgot endee on the above list.
Re: If the Big East splits ......?
- Thread starter tom in salem
- Start date
Thought vanillanova was going the football route.
PS, you forgot endee on the above list.
Villanova advised the Big East in April that it desired to be included in the BEast Football Conference but questions regarding home field caused the request to be tabled. It was reported that pitt, rutgers and west virginia opposed Villanova's request based upon the size of PPL Stadium. Subsequent to the April decision to table Villanova's request it was announced that PPL will be expanded to 32,000. It has been reported that Villanova's request for BEast Football membership will be reconsidered at the Spring 2012 Big East meeting - - which begs the question whether the Big East will exist in its present form in 2012.
The reality is the the Big East Football Conference should aptly be called the "Bridesmaid's Conference" since each and every football school would bolt to the ACC, Big 10 or SEC in a nano second if the opportunity arose.
____________________________
The above having been written, please, please stay on the topic of this thread and share your thoughts of whether our beloved St.John's, and basketball schools Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul can remain relevant without the Big East football schools.
In my opinion it would be difficult but doable with a reconstructed league that included Xavier.
Thanks.
The reality is the the Big East Football Conference should aptly be called the "Bridesmaid's Conference" since each and every football school would bolt to the ACC, Big 10 or SEC in a nano second if the opportunity arose.
____________________________
The above having been written, please, please stay on the topic of this thread and share your thoughts of whether our beloved St.John's, and basketball schools Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul can remain relevant without the Big East football schools.
In my opinion it would be difficult but doable with a reconstructed league that included Xavier.
Thanks.
Class of 72
Active member
Isn't the college football season just about over by the time midnight madness begins? LOL! The departure of Miami, BC and VaTech made the ACC a power football conference----NOT! If you are not a BIG land grant university do not bother to apply to the Big 10. Villanova being admitted the the Big East for football is like St. Peter's being admitted to the BE for basketball!! The Big East is synonymous with basketball, always was, always will be!
Northern Storm
Member
I was sorry to see Boston College leave, since they were one of the original 7. But as for the other 2, Miami and Virginia Tech, I didn't lose any sleep when those 2 left.
tom in salem
Well-known member
Having lived up here for almost 2 years now, I can tell you that beecee is very sorry they left.
jerseyshorejohnny
Well-known member
It's not ideal by any stretch, but I could live with a league of: St. John's, PC, SH, G'Town, ND (if it remains an independent in football), Marquette, DePaul, Dayton, Xavier and St. Joe's (as a replacement for Nova).
Nova is going nowhere unless they raise a few hundred million, take out loans for a few hundred more and convince the very-understanding citizens of the Main Line that they want to build a BCS-sized football stadium among their tree-lined blocks and ivy-encrusted homes.
I will miss the rivalries with UConn and Syracuse. The rest can jump off a cliff.
I will miss the rivalries with UConn and Syracuse. The rest can jump off a cliff.
jerseyshorejohnny
Well-known member
Personally, I would miss Nova the most.
Don't know if they can make the #'s work to become a big time football program. Have a difficult time seeing them competing on the gridiron against teams like South Florida, TCU, and Pitt.
Don't know if they can make the #'s work to become a big time football program. Have a difficult time seeing them competing on the gridiron against teams like South Florida, TCU, and Pitt.
tom in salem
Well-known member
Temple just beat them by 40.
The BE will soon have the opportunity to invite some Big 12 schools.
nova'a chance is gone.
Tom I must say first of all that it warms my heart to read the suggestion that beecee is regretting that decision. Also, it seems to me that the end result of all the machinations that began with the three schools leaving the Big East is that while neither conference benefited on the football side the Big East was hurt less because the basketball product which had been the flagship sport of both conferences was hurt less. The ACC has really become a league where Duke and UNC are two levels above everyone else while the Big East, despite weak teams at the very bottom has 12 that contend for tourney bids ever year.
I heard a rumor that Florida St. will go to the SEC and Maryland would go to the Big 10 and then the Big East and the ACC would merge to create a Super Conference with Depaul, Marquette, Providence and Seton Hall being left out. It was something to that affect.
I would not be certain that the Big 12 splits.
Recent reports indicate that a reconfiguration of the Big 12 has the support of a number of the existing Big 12 schools. It has also been suggested in one news article that the Big 12 may survive by having pitt leave the Big East and join the Big 12. BYU (with its own tv network), Houston and other schools have been mentioned as additions to the Big 12.
The point is that no one knows what will happen with the conference expansions/ contractions.
Recent reports indicate that a reconfiguration of the Big 12 has the support of a number of the existing Big 12 schools. It has also been suggested in one news article that the Big 12 may survive by having pitt leave the Big East and join the Big 12. BYU (with its own tv network), Houston and other schools have been mentioned as additions to the Big 12.
The point is that no one knows what will happen with the conference expansions/ contractions.
tom in salem
Well-known member
Exactly John, which is why I look forward to Kansas joining the BE.
tom in salem
Well-known member
You're correct that no one knows, but a conference that just lost Nebraska, Colorado + A&M is on life support at best.
tom in salem
Well-known member
I'm talking about alums and general subway beecee fans, not the administration.
Not a big deal that they left, as they aren't college hoop fans anyway.
tom in salem
Well-known member
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...xas-longhorns-oklahoma-sooners-officials-meet
It's OU's preference to go to the Pac-12 with the Longhorns, the source said, and OU is willing to wait for a short period of time while that remains a possibility before acting on its own.
The below link is to an interesting radio podcast of Mike Treico interview of former Big East Commissioner Mike Trangese (sp?), UNebraska President, and other regarding the moving ground of college conferences.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6969654
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6969654
Otis:
This thread has gone in a few directions without answering your original question which was whether or not the non-FCS schools could stand by themselves as a power conference. If it's just the Big East schools the answer is no because their just aren't enough eyeballs to get a substantial tv contract. Perhaps if Xavier (for Cincinnati) Duqesne (for Pittsburgh) and schools that cover the Southeast would have to be considered. I also wonder if a national conference of like minded schools that would include say Gonzaga (for the Pacific Northwest) and Loyola Marymount (for the greater LA area) would be viable. Something tells me that Lavin and staff would like the eyeballs in California.
I suspect that my last scenario in particular might sound unrealistic, but if I were an AD at a school like St. John's I would not like being at the mercy of football programs especially when my program is one of many that have competed at the highest level in basketball for many many years without FCS football.
Sadly, one of the reasons I think the idea of a stand-alone basketball league is unrealistic is because history says that the creation of the Big East was as much the result of the force Dave Gavitt's personality as anything else. Who's the person who can bring like minded schools together and show how it's in the best interest of those schools to have a conference of their own?? It's clear that this re-alignment is football driven but I think a secondary cause is the desire of the football schools to crowd the basketball schools out of Men's Basketball Tournament bids and money.
This thread has gone in a few directions without answering your original question which was whether or not the non-FCS schools could stand by themselves as a power conference. If it's just the Big East schools the answer is no because their just aren't enough eyeballs to get a substantial tv contract. Perhaps if Xavier (for Cincinnati) Duqesne (for Pittsburgh) and schools that cover the Southeast would have to be considered. I also wonder if a national conference of like minded schools that would include say Gonzaga (for the Pacific Northwest) and Loyola Marymount (for the greater LA area) would be viable. Something tells me that Lavin and staff would like the eyeballs in California.
I suspect that my last scenario in particular might sound unrealistic, but if I were an AD at a school like St. John's I would not like being at the mercy of football programs especially when my program is one of many that have competed at the highest level in basketball for many many years without FCS football.
Sadly, one of the reasons I think the idea of a stand-alone basketball league is unrealistic is because history says that the creation of the Big East was as much the result of the force Dave Gavitt's personality as anything else. Who's the person who can bring like minded schools together and show how it's in the best interest of those schools to have a conference of their own?? It's clear that this re-alignment is football driven but I think a secondary cause is the desire of the football schools to crowd the basketball schools out of Men's Basketball Tournament bids and money.