Qadashah Hoppie and Greg Williams Re NBA Social Justice Initiatives
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https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.
Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.
“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.
While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.
She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.
The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.
It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.
Enlarge ImageEric Mann
Eric MannKen Lubas/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images
In 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.
It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.
Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.
Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.
Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.
“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.
While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.
She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.
The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.
It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.
Enlarge ImageEric Mann
Eric MannKen Lubas/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images
In 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.
It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.
Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.
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please keep the discussion in this thread focused StJohn’s basketball and DO NOT cause it to be another, soon to be graveyarded threads that extends to opinions that extend beyond St.John’s basketball.
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St. John's University has a distinguished history as a pioneer in advancing the rights of minority and non minority students and athletes which it should proudly promote which is exemplified in the events that involved former St. John's basketball player Solly Walker.
Here is a quick summary of events relating to prejudice which Solly endured and his courage and support which St. John’s provided:
In 1951 at a time when many US colleges did not even allow African American students to enroll in classes, and even fewer US colleges allowed African American athletes to compete on their athletic teams - St. John's did.
In 1951 St. John's played the University of Kentucky at Kentucky. The University of Kentucky at that time did not allow non Caucasians on its men’s basketball team and attempted to renege on its agreement to play St. John's because Mr. Walker was black. Before the game the St. John's team was refused a place to eat dinner because there was no restaurant that would serve a "colored" man. The entire St. John's team refused to eat dinner without their teammate Mr. Walker. During the game Solly was injured and prevented from finishing the game. It has been alleged that the injury that knocked Mr. Walker from the game was the result of a cheap shot purposely delivered by a Kentucky player. I also understand that the hallway that the St. John's players were required to walk to and from the basketball court was under the bleachers of Kentucky fans and when Mr. Walker and the St. John's team entered and exited the court the Kentucky fans spat down on them. (The allegation of spitting on black players by Kentucky fans during that era has been reported as the norm by other sources.)
The actions by the University of Kentucky and its fans were disgusting.
The conduct and courage exhibited by Mr. Walker, his teammates, coaches and St. John's University in not being deterred from competing was meritorious and should never be forgotten or trivalized.
The courage of Mr. Walker and his teammates and the trailblazing ways of St. John's University by providing opportunities to athletes and none athletes without regard to race should be embraced and celebrated by the St. John’s men's basketball;team and the entire athletic department.
Potential recruits and their parents/ advisors should be informed of Solly Walker and St. John's proud heritage of promoting and protecting the rights of all students and athletes.
This 2020- 2021 basketball season is the 70th anniversary of the Solly Walker/ Kentucky incidents. In my opinion Solly’s courage and St.John's leadership in promoting equal rights should be celebrated with a patch on the St. John's mens basketball uniforms (SW#20). The patch would both serve as a reminder to the current players and recruits of Solly’s courage and underscore St. John’s pioneering efforts for civil rights. Most importantly the parch on the player’s uniforms would cause the TV announcers to explain to national audiences who Solly Walker was and St. John’s leadership efforts during telecasts of St. John's basketball games.
I, (and others including The Honorable Panther) have attempted to lobby St. John’s to honor Solly’s courage by having a uniform patch “SW#20” placed on the men’s and women’s uniforms this season. My email to President Bobby and his chief assistant went unanswered. CMA’s email is unpublished so I sent the suggestion by email to men’s Associate Head Coach TJ Cleveland which also went unanswered. My first email to AD Cragg went unanswered but l did get a polite acknowledgement to my second email to him.
Yes, I understand that Solly Walker has been previously honored by his induction into the St. John's Athletic Hall of Fame and also honored at half time of a game in 2019 however during these times of racial strife the memory and courage of Solly Walker should be celebrated for more than a 10 minute ceremony at a game while people leave their seats at halftime.
Please consider dropping the StJohn’s athletic department an email and urging them to put a “SW#20” Patch on the basketball uniforms this season.
please keep the discussion in this thread focused StJohn’s basketball and DO NOT cause it to be another, soon to be graveyarded threads that extends to opinions that extend beyond St.John’s basketball.
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St. John's University has a distinguished history as a pioneer in advancing the rights of minority and non minority students and athletes which it should proudly promote which is exemplified in the events that involved former St. John's basketball player Solly Walker.
Here is a quick summary of events relating to prejudice which Solly endured and his courage and support which St. John’s provided:
In 1951 at a time when many US colleges did not even allow African American students to enroll in classes, and even fewer US colleges allowed African American athletes to compete on their athletic teams - St. John's did.
In 1951 St. John's played the University of Kentucky at Kentucky. The University of Kentucky at that time did not allow non Caucasians on its men’s basketball team and attempted to renege on its agreement to play St. John's because Mr. Walker was black. Before the game the St. John's team was refused a place to eat dinner because there was no restaurant that would serve a "colored" man. The entire St. John's team refused to eat dinner without their teammate Mr. Walker. During the game Solly was injured and prevented from finishing the game. It has been alleged that the injury that knocked Mr. Walker from the game was the result of a cheap shot purposely delivered by a Kentucky player. I also understand that the hallway that the St. John's players were required to walk to and from the basketball court was under the bleachers of Kentucky fans and when Mr. Walker and the St. John's team entered and exited the court the Kentucky fans spat down on them. (The allegation of spitting on black players by Kentucky fans during that era has been reported as the norm by other sources.)
The actions by the University of Kentucky and its fans were disgusting.
The conduct and courage exhibited by Mr. Walker, his teammates, coaches and St. John's University in not being deterred from competing was meritorious and should never be forgotten or trivalized.
The courage of Mr. Walker and his teammates and the trailblazing ways of St. John's University by providing opportunities to athletes and none athletes without regard to race should be embraced and celebrated by the St. John’s men's basketball;team and the entire athletic department.
Potential recruits and their parents/ advisors should be informed of Solly Walker and St. John's proud heritage of promoting and protecting the rights of all students and athletes.
This 2020- 2021 basketball season is the 70th anniversary of the Solly Walker/ Kentucky incidents. In my opinion Solly’s courage and St.John's leadership in promoting equal rights should be celebrated with a patch on the St. John's mens basketball uniforms (SW#20). The patch would both serve as a reminder to the current players and recruits of Solly’s courage and underscore St. John’s pioneering efforts for civil rights. Most importantly the parch on the player’s uniforms would cause the TV announcers to explain to national audiences who Solly Walker was and St. John’s leadership efforts during telecasts of St. John's basketball games.
I, (and others including The Honorable Panther) have attempted to lobby St. John’s to honor Solly’s courage by having a uniform patch “SW#20” placed on the men’s and women’s uniforms this season. My email to President Bobby and his chief assistant went unanswered. CMA’s email is unpublished so I sent the suggestion by email to men’s Associate Head Coach TJ Cleveland which also went unanswered. My first email to AD Cragg went unanswered but l did get a polite acknowledgement to my second email to him.
Yes, I understand that Solly Walker has been previously honored by his induction into the St. John's Athletic Hall of Fame and also honored at half time of a game in 2019 however during these times of racial strife the memory and courage of Solly Walker should be celebrated for more than a 10 minute ceremony at a game while people leave their seats at halftime.
Please consider dropping the StJohn’s athletic department an email and urging them to put a “SW#20” Patch on the basketball uniforms this season.
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Otis wrote: Please consider dropping the StJohn’s athletic department an email and urging them to put a “SW#20” Patch on the basketball uniforms this season.
I'd be happy to do this but not an alum and don't have the email address of the athletic department. Could someone please post it in this thread? Thanks in advance.
I'd be happy to do this but not an alum and don't have the email address of the athletic department. Could someone please post it in this thread? Thanks in advance.
billthetruth
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All I will say is that St. John's Administration better proceed cautiously here. They are not in the position to alienate what might be a good percentage of their donor base and season ticketholders when funding is in a precarious position for many athletic departments. Those decisions should be made by the Commissioner's office and the Big East, not the individual school. And as a league member we should only go with what the league determines.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="otis" post=398497]Note:
please keep the discussion in this thread focused StJohn’s basketball and DO NOT cause it to be another, soon to be graveyarded threads that extends to opinions that extend beyond St.John’s basketball.
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St. John's University has a distinguished history as a pioneer in advancing the rights of minority and non minority students and athletes which it should proudly promote which is exemplified in the events that involved former St. John's basketball player Solly Walker.
Here is a quick summary of events relating to prejudice which Solly endured and his courage and support which St. John’s provided:
In 1951 at a time when many US colleges did not even allow African American students to enroll in classes, and even fewer US colleges allowed African American athletes to compete on their athletic teams - St. John's did.
In 1951 St. John's played the University of Kentucky at Kentucky. The University of Kentucky at that time did not allow non Caucasians on its men’s basketball team and attempted to renege on its agreement to play St. John's because Mr. Walker was black. Before the game the St. John's team was refused a place to eat dinner because there was no restaurant that would serve a "colored" man. The entire St. John's team refused to eat dinner without their teammate Mr. Walker. During the game Solly was injured and prevented from finishing the game. It has been alleged that the injury that knocked Mr. Walker from the game was the result of a cheap shot purposely delivered by a Kentucky player. I also understand that the hallway that the St. John's players were required to walk to and from the basketball court was under the bleachers of Kentucky fans and when Mr. Walker and the St. John's team entered and exited the court the Kentucky fans spat down on them. (The allegation of spitting on black players by Kentucky fans during that era has been reported as the norm by other sources.)
The actions by the University of Kentucky and its fans were disgusting.
The conduct and courage exhibited by Mr. Walker, his teammates, coaches and St. John's University in not being deterred from competing was meritorious and should never be forgotten or trivalized.
The courage of Mr. Walker and his teammates and the trailblazing ways of St. John's University by providing opportunities to athletes and none athletes without regard to race should be embraced and celebrated by the St. John’s men's basketball;team and the entire athletic department.
Potential recruits and their parents/ advisors should be informed of Solly Walker and St. John's proud heritage of promoting and protecting the rights of all students and athletes.
This 2020- 2021 basketball season is the 70th anniversary of the Solly Walker/ Kentucky incidents. In my opinion Solly’s courage and St.John's leadership in promoting equal rights should be celebrated with a patch on the St. John's mens basketball uniforms (SW#20). The patch would both serve as a reminder to the current players and recruits of Solly’s courage and underscore St. John’s pioneering efforts for civil rights. Most importantly the parch on the player’s uniforms would cause the TV announcers to explain to national audiences who Solly Walker was and St. John’s leadership efforts during telecasts of St. John's basketball games.
I, (and others including The Honorable Panther) have attempted to lobby St. John’s to honor Solly’s courage by having a uniform patch “SW#20” placed on the men’s and women’s uniforms this season. My email to President Bobby and his chief assistant went unanswered. CMA’s email is unpublished so I sent the suggestion by email to men’s Associate Head Coach TJ Cleveland which also went unanswered. My first email to AD Cragg went unanswered but l did get a polite acknowledgement to my second email to him.
Yes, I understand that Solly Walker has been previously honored by his induction into the St. John's Athletic Hall of Fame and also honored at half time of a game in 2019 however during these times of racial strife the memory and courage of Solly Walker should be celebrated for more than a 10 minute ceremony at a game while people leave their seats at halftime.
Please consider dropping the StJohn’s athletic department an email and urging them to put a “SW#20” Patch on the basketball uniforms this season.[/quote]
THis is a more precise history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_participation_in_college_basketball#:~:text=%2C%20the%206%27-4%22%20captain%20and%20center%20of%20the,African%20American%20all-American%20college%20basketball%20player%2C%20in%201931.
please keep the discussion in this thread focused StJohn’s basketball and DO NOT cause it to be another, soon to be graveyarded threads that extends to opinions that extend beyond St.John’s basketball.
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St. John's University has a distinguished history as a pioneer in advancing the rights of minority and non minority students and athletes which it should proudly promote which is exemplified in the events that involved former St. John's basketball player Solly Walker.
Here is a quick summary of events relating to prejudice which Solly endured and his courage and support which St. John’s provided:
In 1951 at a time when many US colleges did not even allow African American students to enroll in classes, and even fewer US colleges allowed African American athletes to compete on their athletic teams - St. John's did.
In 1951 St. John's played the University of Kentucky at Kentucky. The University of Kentucky at that time did not allow non Caucasians on its men’s basketball team and attempted to renege on its agreement to play St. John's because Mr. Walker was black. Before the game the St. John's team was refused a place to eat dinner because there was no restaurant that would serve a "colored" man. The entire St. John's team refused to eat dinner without their teammate Mr. Walker. During the game Solly was injured and prevented from finishing the game. It has been alleged that the injury that knocked Mr. Walker from the game was the result of a cheap shot purposely delivered by a Kentucky player. I also understand that the hallway that the St. John's players were required to walk to and from the basketball court was under the bleachers of Kentucky fans and when Mr. Walker and the St. John's team entered and exited the court the Kentucky fans spat down on them. (The allegation of spitting on black players by Kentucky fans during that era has been reported as the norm by other sources.)
The actions by the University of Kentucky and its fans were disgusting.
The conduct and courage exhibited by Mr. Walker, his teammates, coaches and St. John's University in not being deterred from competing was meritorious and should never be forgotten or trivalized.
The courage of Mr. Walker and his teammates and the trailblazing ways of St. John's University by providing opportunities to athletes and none athletes without regard to race should be embraced and celebrated by the St. John’s men's basketball;team and the entire athletic department.
Potential recruits and their parents/ advisors should be informed of Solly Walker and St. John's proud heritage of promoting and protecting the rights of all students and athletes.
This 2020- 2021 basketball season is the 70th anniversary of the Solly Walker/ Kentucky incidents. In my opinion Solly’s courage and St.John's leadership in promoting equal rights should be celebrated with a patch on the St. John's mens basketball uniforms (SW#20). The patch would both serve as a reminder to the current players and recruits of Solly’s courage and underscore St. John’s pioneering efforts for civil rights. Most importantly the parch on the player’s uniforms would cause the TV announcers to explain to national audiences who Solly Walker was and St. John’s leadership efforts during telecasts of St. John's basketball games.
I, (and others including The Honorable Panther) have attempted to lobby St. John’s to honor Solly’s courage by having a uniform patch “SW#20” placed on the men’s and women’s uniforms this season. My email to President Bobby and his chief assistant went unanswered. CMA’s email is unpublished so I sent the suggestion by email to men’s Associate Head Coach TJ Cleveland which also went unanswered. My first email to AD Cragg went unanswered but l did get a polite acknowledgement to my second email to him.
Yes, I understand that Solly Walker has been previously honored by his induction into the St. John's Athletic Hall of Fame and also honored at half time of a game in 2019 however during these times of racial strife the memory and courage of Solly Walker should be celebrated for more than a 10 minute ceremony at a game while people leave their seats at halftime.
Please consider dropping the StJohn’s athletic department an email and urging them to put a “SW#20” Patch on the basketball uniforms this season.[/quote]
THis is a more precise history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_participation_in_college_basketball#:~:text=%2C%20the%206%27-4%22%20captain%20and%20center%20of%20the,African%20American%20all-American%20college%20basketball%20player%2C%20in%201931.
billthetruth
Well-known member
IMHO: A very wise move by the school would be to defer to the commissioner's office on these matters
Would lock this thread and make original post a sticky. no need to start the fire again here
Would lock this thread and make original post a sticky. no need to start the fire again here
Not about now and hopefully not a thread locker. There are endless numbers of so-called Marxists who are Marxists to the same degree that I am a four-minute miler. They use the term Marxist wanting to not use the word Communist and they think Socialist sounds too kumbaya.
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."
beast of the east
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[quote="fuchsia" post=398523]Not about now and hopefully not a thread locker. There are endless numbers of so-called Marxists who are Marxists to the same degree that I am a four-minute miler. They use the term Marxist wanting to not use the word Communist and they think Socialist sounds too kumbaya.
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?
Beast, the flip side of this is that lots of so-called Socialism is actually "public protective capitalism" where the state knows better than to mess with the "means of production" but tries to create a floor in terms of education, health, nutrition and other issues, ultimately to protect the viability of the work force. All the current name-calling is about as useful as tits on a bull.
beast of the east
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[quote="fuchsia" post=398529]Beast, the flip side of this is that lots of so-called Socialism is actually "public protective capitalism" where the state knows better than to mess with the "means of production" but tries to create a floor in terms of education, health, nutrition and other issues, ultimately to protect the viability of the work force. All the current name-calling is about as useful as tits on a bull.[/quote]
This is a conversation to have over drinks and dinner amongst friends. Thanks.
And the weathermen were meteorologists ?
This is a conversation to have over drinks and dinner amongst friends. Thanks.
And the weathermen were meteorologists ?
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=398527][quote="fuchsia" post=398523]Not about now and hopefully not a thread locker. There are endless numbers of so-called Marxists who are Marxists to the same degree that I am a four-minute miler. They use the term Marxist wanting to not use the word Communist and they think Socialist sounds too kumbaya.
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .
beast of the east
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=398577][quote="Beast of the East" post=398527][quote="fuchsia" post=398523]Not about now and hopefully not a thread locker. There are endless numbers of so-called Marxists who are Marxists to the same degree that I am a four-minute miler. They use the term Marxist wanting to not use the word Communist and they think Socialist sounds too kumbaya.
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .[/quote]
Perfect!
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .[/quote]
Perfect!
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beast of the east
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=398577][quote="Beast of the East" post=398527][quote="fuchsia" post=398523]Not about now and hopefully not a thread locker. There are endless numbers of so-called Marxists who are Marxists to the same degree that I am a four-minute miler. They use the term Marxist wanting to not use the word Communist and they think Socialist sounds too kumbaya.
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .[/quote]
Perfect! I am 1000% supportive of black lives mattering and engendering meaningful change but 1000% behind violence and destruction as a way to act out. Stir up a base, and get attention
My favorite Marx story is actually part of the pantheon of stories used as justification for "provocative actions." Marx had nine children and was living in Germany supported to a large degree by the largesse of his collaborator and co-author Friedrich Engels, who owned textile plants in England. At one point Engels, feeling guilty about living off the labor of his employees, wrote to Marx about getting out of business to no longer be part of the Capitalist system. Marx quickly responded "My dear Friedrich, the more we exploit them, the sooner the revolution will come."[/quote]
I suspect Marxists Marxism sounds attractive as the preemptive step towards revolution where socialism and communism blossom in the fertile aftermath of the destruction of capitalism. How has that worked for Russia, China, North Korea, cuba?[/quote]. Agree Beast . I hope these comments are not deemed Political but , this is something to think about . I believe most , if not over 90 percent truly believe that Black lives matter . I do think , there is a distinction that is a real one though , as Beast has said ,” BLM , the organization is a Marxist Group that wants to inject that philosophy in American Gov’t.” It basically says by “ any means.” I think it’s unfortunate that these terms , which are noble in their intent , have been mistaken for BLM, the Organization . Antifa holds much the same philosophy which to many , not all , is “ by any means possible .” The distinction between BLM and Black lives matter is a important one .[/quote]
Perfect! I am 1000% supportive of black lives mattering and engendering meaningful change but 1000% behind violence and destruction as a way to act out. Stir up a base, and get attention