(PRE-GAME) St. Francis (Brooklyn), Tues., Nov. 23, 7p, FS-2

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The fairly empty arena gets a mention in the NYP today by Zach (2x), not a good look for the Johnnies trying to capture the attention of NYC. We have to capture the attention of our own campus.
 
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BrookJersey Redmen post=443433 said:
The fairly empty arena gets a mention in the NYP today by Zach (2x), not a good look for the Johnnies trying to capture the attention of NYC. We have to capture the attention of our own campus.
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I hear ya BJR, but alumni have always far exceeded our student body in terms of % of attendance. We have never drawn much from the student body. Not exactly sure why. And games like these don't draw very much interest from anyone except maybe the most diehard of SJU fans(us)
 
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Monte, in my day in school here, the excuse was threefold. We commuted and  lived at home with mom and dad. We worked so had less spare time. We were working class and didn't have money for frivolous things like tickets to sporting events.

I happen to believe these were rationalizations and not valid explanations. I lived at home, worked full time and went to games because I loved and supported our BB team.

For whatever reason, and it may be all of the multiple other pro sports teams, our students over the years have not been a huge part of the makeup of our crowds. Exceptions were when we were in the top 10 and EVERYONE got on our bandwagon.
 
Maybe, as far as the student body is concerned, the interest isn’t there.
 
I may have the exact numbers wrong, but the age group between 8-12 years old is when lifelong support for a club is formed. For me, that was ‘83-86. The height of St John’s modern basketball history, and the Big East. I was rooting for the Johnnies before I got on campus in 93. We have been so bad for so long that it’s little wonder that kids grow up liking teams they have no enrollment in, and by the time they get here, join a mostly dispassionate older fan base (present company excluded). At IU, it’s a part of your identity at home growing up that you’re a Hoosier, even if you end up going to Purdue. I don’t know what it means to be a St. John’s man, only that if such a club exists, it isn’t appealing to students at campus.
 
BrookJersey Redmen post=443443 said:
Monte, in my day in school here, the excuse was threefold. We commuted and  lived at home with mom and dad. We worked so had less spare time. We were working class and didn't have money for frivolous things like tickets to sporting events.

I happen to believe these were rationalizations and not valid explanations. I lived at home, worked full time and went to games because I loved and supported our BB team.

For whatever reason, and it may be all of the multiple other pro sports teams, our students over the years have not been a huge part of the makeup of our crowds. Exceptions were when we were in the top 10 and EVERYONE got on our bandwagon.
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I was in same boat. Class from 8:00-Noon, work from 2:00-10:00. No time for games. So completely get it. Also who cares about SJU vs cupcake(name the school). Not sure our students where a much bigger % during our heyday. I had season tix and don't ever remember much of a student presence at the AH games. Seemed like a lot more when to MSG, but then again those were the marquee games 
 
I hope that CMA has these guys a little more fired up for this game. I'll never forget the dedication night for Carnesecca Arena, November 23, 2004. The opponent was St. Francis and they ruined the evening by beating us 53-52 coming back and beating a St. John's team that thought that they had already won the game. Maybe CMA should show the team the tape of that game.
 
Knight post=443446 said:
Maybe, as far as the student body is concerned, the interest isn’t there.
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And in my opinion, that's the way it's been over the past couple of decades since I've been a fan. I still don't understand why student tickets aren't free every year. On top of that, I'm not sure I've ever seen anything done to market the team to younger people. I guess it would help if the team was a consistent winner?
 
Along with the Robert Morris NIT game the St Francis game gregbodkin referred to dedicating CA have to be at top of embarrassing moments in CA history. There were so many ex players etc in attendance you just felt the game couldn’t end that way and if SJU had any clairvoyant people in charge it would have ended the Norm Robert’s era which had only started.
 
gregbodkin post=443469 said:
I hope that CMA has these guys a little more fired up for this game. I'll never forget the dedication night for Carnesecca Arena, November 23, 2004. The opponent was St. Francis and they ruined the evening by beating us 53-52 coming back and beating a St. John's team that thought that they had already won the game. Maybe CMA should show the team the tape of that game.
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I remember that game all too well. Very disappointing, very embarrassing. Put a bit of a damper (especially for Norm) on the otherwise terrific post-game festivities, which I was lucky enough to attend. But yes, Greg, we shouldn't see beating St. Francis, or anyone esle, as a sure thing, especially after Saturday's sloppy performance. Too many question marks at this point.
 
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Same here for.  I attended starting 83.  School then work

attended regularly after graduation 

difference now is the dorms.   There’s an event on campus.   Leave the n go for the two hours 

I guess need consistent winning
 
I'll also add that the campus isnt exactly convenient to get to by public transportation. You literally can't get there by subway unless you switch to a bus. So for weeknight games that might be just too much of a hassle for anyone coming from anywhere other than Queens/Eastern Long Island.

It also doesn't seem like we've converted many students into fans over the past two decades. Just look at the make-up of this board. Somehow I'm one of the youngest posters and I'm 38! Jack Williams is a rarity. Why do we never get any student fans posting here? 
 
Being a SJU attendee prior to dorms I have never been able to understand how students would prefer to stay in their dorms rather than walk the equivalent of a block to attend a game. They must be more studious than myself and classmates back then.
 
It’s easier for the big football schools whose stadium holds 30-50000 fans the atmosphere is contagious .Those fans go to basketbAll games as well
St. John’s was a commuter school but bring in great basketball players win a conf title become a suite 16 or final 4  and it will belike wringing the dinner bell .They will sell out
 
 
Winning is the main answer, but other points are certainly valid as well.  The comment about 8 - 12 year olds becoming life long fans, that's pretty much me.  When I made the 6th grade basketball team in 1984 I was given the choice of a huge Ewing or Mullin poster.  Combine that with the successful team in that timeframe and it paved my path as a lifelong fan.  
 
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