(PRE-GAME) DePaul, Sun., Feb. 27, 5p, FS-1

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FIRST GAME
FINAL SCORE
DEPAUL 84
ST. JOHN’S 89

BOXSCORE
[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401373534[/URL]

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St. John’s
Red Storm (15-11, 7-8)

Schedule
[URL]https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule[/URL]

Roster
[URL]https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule[/URL]

Statistics
[URL]https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2020-21[/URL]


DePaul
Blue Devils (12-14, 3-13)

Schedule
[URL]https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule[/URL]

Roster
[URL]https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster[/URL]

Statistics
[URL]https://depaulbluedemons.com/documents/2021/12/14/MBB_Season_12_14.pdf[/URL]
 
Let the bench guys play more minutes down the stretch.  Champy, Wheeler and Posh should get some rest here.  Rest up and get ready to make a run in the BET.  Its all we got.
 
This team is not good enough to give extensive PT to bench players.  Got to go after it every game with your best.
 
Knight post=459934 said:
This team is not good enough to give extensive PT to bench players.  Got to go after it every game with your best.
Problem with that statement is last night bench players Smith and Stanley far outplayed starters Penny and Wheeler. We are like a box of chocolates you never know what you're gonna get.
 
Don't have a good feeling about this game after last night. And who the heck picked 5 pm on a Sunday to play this game?
 
Delaware post=459939 said:
Don't have a good feeling about this game after last night. And who the heck picked 5 pm on a Sunday to play this game?
A 3 lettered entity beginning with the letters FOX.
 
Based on its performance in the big east SJU is lucky FOX is putting them on tv and paying them the bucks they are. SJU is living off the NOVAs etc.
 
bamafan post=459937 said:
Knight post=459934 said:
This team is not good enough to give extensive PT to bench players.  Got to go after it every game with your best.
Problem with that statement is last night bench players Smith and Stanley far outplayed starters Penny and Wheeler. We are like a box of chocolates you never know what you're gonna get.

The more playing time we can give to Pinzon, Stanley and Niywe can only help come BET time. If we make a run we will have to win four games in a row , correct? CMA will have to play 10 guys to keep everyone relatively fresh. You’re going to need Pinzon, Stanley, Niywe, Smith and Coburn to give us quality minutes come the Big East Tournament. Get them time these last three games win or lose because we’re going to need them if we are going to make any kind of a run.
 
This is a really important game to win, even though the light on NCAA candle is all but out.   There is a real chance to finish the regular season at 9-10, which would not be the horrible season that many are projecting.   

We are really close to being a good team, and its important they don't pack it in too soon.  DePaul is far from a pushover, nor is Xavier.   IF we are at full strength I like our chances.
 
Beast of the East post=460101 said:
This is a really important game to win, even though the light on NCAA candle is all but out.   There is a real chance to finish the regular season at 9-10, which would not be the horrible season that many are projecting.   

We are really close to being a good team, and its important they don't pack it in too soon.  DePaul is far from a pushover, nor is Xavier.   IF we are at full strength I like our chances.
I don’t think anyone is saying it is a horrible season but there are many who are saying they are disappointed in how the season has turned out so far in light of our being ranked number 4 in the conference by the experts. Expectations were high and for a fan based starved of success we were all hoping this would be the season we turn the corner, dance and even win a tournament game for the first time in 20 years. We brought in a few senior transfers who have danced, Wheeler, Mathis, Smith so the expectations were not unrealistic considering they were joined by the leagues rookie of the year and returning leading scorer. Unfortunately for all the reasons that have been listed thousands of times over the course of the last 4 months it has not turned out to be the season we planned or hoped on having. 
Horrible certainly not considering some of the bad breaks we have had, disappointing yes. 
 
Beast -i agree if we won 9 in conference, it would lessen some of the sting but let's also aware that not one of those wins would have come against 8 attempts vs. top 4, and many from the bottom.

still a weak season
 
redmannorth post=460102 said:
Beast of the East post=460101 said:
This is a really important game to win, even though the light on NCAA candle is all but out.   There is a real chance to finish the regular season at 9-10, which would not be the horrible season that many are projecting.   

We are really close to being a good team, and its important they don't pack it in too soon.  DePaul is far from a pushover, nor is Xavier.   IF we are at full strength I like our chances.
I don’t think anyone is saying it is a horrible season but there are many who are saying they are disappointed in how the season has turned out so far in light of our being ranked number 4 in the conference by the experts. Expectations were high and for a fan based starved of success we were all hoping this would be the season we turn the corner, dance and even win a tournament game for the first time in 20 years. We brought in a few senior transfers who have danced, Wheeler, Mathis, Smith so the expectations were not unrealistic considering they were joined by the leagues rookie of the year and returning leading scorer. Unfortunately for all the reasons that have been listed thousands of times over the course of the last 4 months it has not turned out to be the season we planned or hoped on having. 
Horrible certainly not considering some of the bad breaks we have had, disappointing yes. 
First of all, I'm looking forward to your renewed annual trips to the Hamptons, and hope to see you this summer.   It's been good to get to know you.

Everyone is disappointed, so not going to entertain just how disappointed.   We would both agree that at least some of the reaction to losses have been at worst extreme.   We've all sat through entire seasons where we didn't have a prayer in games against ranked opponents, and this hasn't been the case.  

I think what you are referring to as experts was the preseason coaches poll, which I think is primarily designed not as a deeply analytical tool, but to generate interest as a new piece in the upcoming season.    Still, it created reasonably high expectations for our fans, and justifiably so. 

Coaching college basketball is very much teaching.   Yes, there is tons at stake for highly compensated individuals that coach, but their "students" have tons to learn about the game, playing in front of big crowds and TV, and being in the national spotlight.   Unlike the pros, every game results in reviewing a ton of tape (not only for coaches but all players do also), reviewing what went wrong and how to correct.    

Even Kentucky has suffered through seasons where a top 5 recruiting class comes in and disappoints in terms of results.   Of course they are starting at a much higher point in terms of talent,, so for Kentucky being unranked or merely ranked around 30 is unacceptable.   For us, if we stumble we are far below that.   That's just where our program is right now.    

If you are around the program, you don't get the sense that these are failures running the show feeling their way in the dark, but guys who know there is a lot of work to be done.    Both CMA and staff and the AD knew this was a ground up rebuild from the moment they arrived.     

Everything, and I mean everything is being addressed.    Addressing outdated facilities, increasing fundraising, attracting fans to games, improving staff, recruiting higher level players, everything.   They are all interconnected.   For now they need all the support fans can possibly give them. I believe its important to recognize the enormous challenge of a program that has been mismanaged, underfunded, with many aspects of the program neglected for decades.  

It's not bad luck or a fluke that we haven't made a run in the NCAAs in nearly 25 years.  It's all of the above.  It's an enormous lift, and we will need as many of our 170,000 alumni to support this effort.   The push has begun, and Father Shanley is actively involved with the Athletic department, Chris Vaupel, and many others.   

This time around things are different.   You can't put bandaids on severe problems.  Everything must be addressed, and they are, at the highest levels of the university.   
 
 
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Pinzon needs to be the starting 2 for the rest of the season and play 30 minutes a night.  Mathis and wusus minutes need to be cut back tremendously.

 
 
Knight post=460110 said:
This thread is about the DePaul game.
Good point. For me, while many believe this to be a distraction, it’s very difficult to think  about college hoops and the DePaul game with the suffering that many are enduring in Ukraine. One can only hope that sanity eventually prevails and peace comes about. 
 
Enright post=459944 said:
Based on its performance in the big east SJU is lucky FOX is putting them on tv and paying them the bucks they are. SJU is living off the NOVAs etc.
Well, other than the last weekend, this stuff is pretty much pre-planned.  If you think we're lucky, what about Depaul?

At noon tomorrow, CBS (channel 2 in New York), is airing UCONN-Georgetown.  I can imagine what the network brass is thinking about that game.
 
Duke of Earlington post=460109 said:
Pinzon needs to be the starting 2 for the rest of the season and play 30 minutes a night.  Mathis and wusus minutes need to be cut back tremendously.


 
What?!?!?!
 
Delaware post=460132 said:
Duke of Earlington post=460109 said:
Pinzon needs to be the starting 2 for the rest of the season and play 30 minutes a night.  Mathis and wusus minutes need to be cut back tremendously.






 
What?!?!?!


Duke.....Pinzon will begin to get more playing time, but it will look more like 10-12 minutes.  My guess is some of these minutes will come at Wusu's expense but don't expect him to go on a shelf.  CMA has shown an appreciation for Wusu (Imo, to a fault), and I expect he will stick with the Bronx product.  As frustrating as Wusu is (and I could be president of the "Enough Wusu Club") he does have talent and, if reigned in, could prove to be a valuable upperclassman. 
 
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