Like most of us I had the opportunity to view a great deal of the TV coverage regarding the Pope's visit to NYC. I found it quite odd that not once did I hear SJU mentioned in any way or form during this extensive coverage. We are the largest Catholic University in the country located in the boroughs of NYC You would have thought we would have gotten a mention, or have some representation, I heard the President of Notre Dame represented often, but not SJU. Maybe I missed some mentions, who knows!
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jerseyshorejohnny
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No mention of Fordham either, and they bill themselves as The Jesuit University of NY.
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The excitement of a papal visit is a reminder that we have been blessed over the past 50 years or so with 3 popes who were charismatic in expressing their humanity, Pope John XXIII, Pope John Paul II, and now Pope Francis.
Prior to Pope Paul VI's visit to the US, a Pope had never visited America. In fact, over the centuries of the papacy in Rome, the pope so rarely left Vatican grounds that he was informally called "The prisoner of the Vatican". Pope Pius XII left the Vatican once during his papacy, when the Nazis bombed the civilian Termini railroad station in Rome, because they felt that Allied weapons were being smuggled in by rail. Pope Pius left the Vatican at news of the bombing to tend to the injured and daying.
Pope Paul VI initiated papal travel but in a very limited way. His visit to the u.s. was unprecdented, and teceived with grrat interest. Pope JP II. traveled extensively and his charisma was well received everywhere
Prior to Pope Paul VI's visit to the US, a Pope had never visited America. In fact, over the centuries of the papacy in Rome, the pope so rarely left Vatican grounds that he was informally called "The prisoner of the Vatican". Pope Pius XII left the Vatican once during his papacy, when the Nazis bombed the civilian Termini railroad station in Rome, because they felt that Allied weapons were being smuggled in by rail. Pope Pius left the Vatican at news of the bombing to tend to the injured and daying.
Pope Paul VI initiated papal travel but in a very limited way. His visit to the u.s. was unprecdented, and teceived with grrat interest. Pope JP II. traveled extensively and his charisma was well received everywhere
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ND president to concelebrate Mass with pontiff
Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:00 am | Updated: 9:43 am, Sun Sep 20, 2015.
By Jeff Agar South Bend Tribune
Numerous area families, students, priests and Catholic Church leaders -- including the Rev. John I. Jenkins, president of the University of Notre Dame, -- will travel east this week for Pope Francis' first papal visit to the United States.
Jenkins and about 500 Notre Dame students, faculty and staff will join in welcoming Francis.
Jenkins will attend a welcome ceremony for the pope at the White House on Wednesday morning. Later that day, when the pope presides at a Mass of Canonization of Junipero Serra at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, Jenkins will be among the concelebrants.
The Rev. William Lies, Notre Dame's vice president for mission engagement and church affairs, also will be a concelebrant.
On Thursday, Jenkins will attend the pope's address to a joint session of Congress.
Jenkins also will be a guest commentator about the pope's visit on the MSNBC TV show "Hardball with Chris Matthews" program at 7 p.m. Tuesday.
Kathleen Sprows Cummings, director of Notre Dame's Cushwa Center for the Study of American Catholicism, will join NBC programs throughout the week, providing on-site commentary from New York and Philadelphia. Cummings said her insights will focus on the history of Catholicism in America, women in the church and Serra's canonization. Serra was a Spanish Franciscan friar who founded a mission in Baja California and nine other Spanish missions in that region in the 18th century.
"It's a chance to focus on the relationship between Catholicism and the United States," Cummings said of Francis' visit. "It hasn't always been an easy one to figure out."
"I think the visit of any pope is extraordinary, but the visit of this pope, who has energized Catholics, is really exciting. Pope Francis offers us a chance to focus on what unites us," she said.
About 50 students and five employees from Saint Mary's College are planning to travel to Philadelphia for the pope's visit there.
A large Mass the pope will celebrate there is a ticketed event and those from Saint Mary's will get as close to the event as possible, college spokeswoman Gwen O'Brien said.
The Rev. Glenn Kohrman, pastor at Holy Family Church in South Bend, will drive to Philadelphia with the Rev. Drew Curry of St. Robert Bellarmine Church in North Manchester, Ind., for the World Meeting of Families that coincides with the pope's visit. The two will attend a public prayer vigil hosted by Francis on Saturday as well as next Sunday's papal Mass.
"The Holy Father has a lot of spontaneity," Kohrman said. "He's gotten a lot of people, Catholic and non-Catholic, to discuss issues. It (the visit) will foster a dialogue where we can learn from each other."
The Rev. Daryl Rybicki of Corpus Christi Church in South Bend will attend several papal events as a member of ABC57's live coverage team. He will provide commentary from Washington, D.C., on the canonization of Serra, as well as the pope's joint session with Congress.
Rybicki will attend the vigil and papal Mass in Philadelphia as a media member, too. He expressed excitement for his unique role.
"I think it's a very important position to be able to comment on and explain what the pope says," Rybicki said. "It's keeping with the teaching role of the priesthood."
"It gives him (Francis) a wonderful opportunity to visit the U.S., speak to a large contingent of his flock, and bring it home in an up-close and personal context," Rybicki said. "Anytime a pope comes, it's an exciting time. It's an energizing time for the (Catholic) Church."
The Catholic Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend has launched a website called "Love Is Our Mission," which will feature daily stories, prayers, videos, and other posts from area Catholics who will see the pope in person. Visit: www.diocesefwsb.org/Love-is-our-Mission. Bishop Kevin Rhoades and 15 Catholic families from the diocese will travel to Philadelphia for the World Meeting of Families and related papal events.
Closer to home, all students at Saint Joseph High School in South Bend will watch and discuss the pope's address to Congress on Thursday.
"It's really important to take the time to think about how our Catholicism interactions with government and our daily lives," said Lauren Kloser, who teaches English at Saint Joseph and helped organize the discussion event.
"It's important to give students the chance to think about how Catholicism affects their lives," Kloser said. "It isn't just constrained to theology class."
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One of the local TV stations had a crew at the on-campus chapel, where students had gathered to listen to the Pope's UN speech. Immediately following the speech, one of the priests was interviewed about the importance of the speech, the visit to NYC, and what it meant to the students and the university, in general.
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It seems to me that St. John's University has a weak to non-existent relationship with Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Murphy, and Bishop Dimarzio. Many of you may be unaware that since Cathedral College in Brooklyn closed years ago, all seminary students in the diocese of Brooklyn receive their undergraduate education at St. John's before going on to the upper seminary in Huntington. I think this in part is due to the autonomy that the Vincentians wish to maintain from diocesan control, although I do believe that in fact local bishops can exercise dominion over Catholic schools in their diocese.
The relationship between Catholic Universities and dioceses is due in part to the growing liberal nature of Catholic Universities in disregarding some church teachings. So, in part, when things like a papal visit occur, that local universities can be left out in the cold, because they do not maintain intimate church ties. Vincentian priests take their marching orders from their provincial head, and as we saw with Harrington, even his activities were not under a watchful eye. It was up to our board of trustees, which is overwhelmingly populated with laypeople, to remove Harrington - all without a formal statement from the Vincentian hierarchy despite the scandalous goings on.
Perhaps the school and its trustees will take notice of how they were excluded from the papal visit, and work to build bridges with the surround dioceses in order to rebuild a student population of bright, motivated, and faithful Catholic students.
jerseyshorejohnny
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FWIW...
Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world (IMO) for The TORCH staff to write an article explaining why Dorothy Day (who stood for social justive and who may be considered for sainthood) and Thomas Merton (who wrote the spiritual masterpiece, The Seven Storey Mountain) were mentioned by Francis in his address to Congress.
As the largest Catholic university in the country (despite the fact that only about 45% of its undergrads are R.C.) one would think that its students would be familar and somewhat fluent with Day's and Merton's contributions, both of whom were Americans.
Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world (IMO) for The TORCH staff to write an article explaining why Dorothy Day (who stood for social justive and who may be considered for sainthood) and Thomas Merton (who wrote the spiritual masterpiece, The Seven Storey Mountain) were mentioned by Francis in his address to Congress.
As the largest Catholic university in the country (despite the fact that only about 45% of its undergrads are R.C.) one would think that its students would be familar and somewhat fluent with Day's and Merton's contributions, both of whom were Americans.
jerseyshorejohnny
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Not only is St. John's , the largest Catholic university in the country, it also has a sizeable (first generation) immigrant student population, certainly one larger than any other Catholic institution of higher education.
I rarely post as I usually just read the threads, get a laugh or two and move on.
I almost started this EXACT same thread last night. I couldn't agree more. As a 1992 alum it amazes how how irrelevant on a national level our school really has become. This event occurs in our city and it appears we have zero representation or even a mention. I stopped counting after ND, Princeton-and all the other small and large universities/parishes were mentioned on the national media . For goodness sake - they even had a priest from Trenton NJ interview. TRENTON!!!
Sadly I don't have any suggestions on how to improve things moving forward, but I do think out new president can make us relevant again and I certainly wish him well.
On a much more important note - my family does know the family with the disabled child that the pope stopped and kissed/blessed this morning at the philly airport (we live in philly burbs now). It could not have happened to a better family and it's a moment they will remember the rest of their life. A true miracle.
Thanks for starting this thread.
I almost started this EXACT same thread last night. I couldn't agree more. As a 1992 alum it amazes how how irrelevant on a national level our school really has become. This event occurs in our city and it appears we have zero representation or even a mention. I stopped counting after ND, Princeton-and all the other small and large universities/parishes were mentioned on the national media . For goodness sake - they even had a priest from Trenton NJ interview. TRENTON!!!
Sadly I don't have any suggestions on how to improve things moving forward, but I do think out new president can make us relevant again and I certainly wish him well.
On a much more important note - my family does know the family with the disabled child that the pope stopped and kissed/blessed this morning at the philly airport (we live in philly burbs now). It could not have happened to a better family and it's a moment they will remember the rest of their life. A true miracle.
Thanks for starting this thread.
I haven't watched any pope coverage, maybe when he starts respecting all people and their freedoms equally. But St Johns has never been and will never be Notre Dame, much less Princeton. St Johns is DePaul with the advantage of being in New York, though in a shrinking world even that doesn't have the impact it used to. And even on the list of NY City schools St Johns would be listed fourth at best by most folks in the country, unless you count Cornell Med, except in basketball, which isn't the measuring stick most folks use when rating a university. I'm sure you all got quality educations, but St Johns isn't even really a national university, it's barely out of its commuter school diapers, I mean students have only lived on campus for 16 years.
That made me laugh. Though some of the simpler actually think that and don't understand that believing satan is only slight more irrational than believing in god and obviously no atheist in his right mind would believe in either.
Back to topic, I bet a bunch of you are feeling even more like the girl with no prom date today, damn them:
http://sju.edu/news-events/news/pontiff-makes-historic-visit-philadelphias-jesuit-university
Back to topic, I bet a bunch of you are feeling even more like the girl with no prom date today, damn them:
http://sju.edu/news-events/news/pontiff-makes-historic-visit-philadelphias-jesuit-university
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Is it really necessary for you to come into a forum about the papal visit, and declare your atheism, or mock the beliefs of others? You've done this for years, so everyone knows where you stand on faith and religion. Not surprisingly, no one ever mocks your lack of faith, or challenges your inference that somehow being atheist is an indicator of a superior intellectual being.
It just wasn't necessary, and I suspect if the topic was different some of the mods would have been all over you to remove your post.
atheism is just another form of religious fanaticism. The compulsion to mock and destroy others is characteristic of fanaticism and ironically in the case of contemporary atheism, it is based upon an irrational premise. Unlike the rational doubt of the existence of a creator/God, Atheism is a positive affirmation that there is no God.
No amount of bluster and mockery changes the FACT that there is no empirical proof that there is no God. It is impossible to come up with any scientific evidence to support that claim. Big Bang etc all have their place but if you say the Big Bang discounts creation/Creator this is not scientific method. You still cannot explain where the gas came from that created the Big Bang so the claim is nonsense. The gas is then "eternal" which again would be a matter of faith because that is something beyond the scope of human understanding and there is certainly no proof (scientific evidence is strongly weighted against, some would say conclusively, of any matter being eternal) and the gas is essentially "God" like in that regards - no beginning. The "miraculous" event that would be required even in infinite amount of time and randomness for "life" to come from innate matter is another insurmountable issue - also completely unscientific and irrational to hold to. In other words, atheism is itself, a fantastical belief based upon faith. And if you look at it, it is way more fantastical than what the Jews, Christians or Muslims have come up with. It is not a revealed faith as the major and minor religions of the world claim to be, but it is still a faith and not a fact derived from scientific method.
And of course it would be wrong to call an actual atheist a satan worshipper because satan himself, has a convicted belief in God that would make any born again Christian blush in embarrassment by comparison.
No amount of bluster and mockery changes the FACT that there is no empirical proof that there is no God. It is impossible to come up with any scientific evidence to support that claim. Big Bang etc all have their place but if you say the Big Bang discounts creation/Creator this is not scientific method. You still cannot explain where the gas came from that created the Big Bang so the claim is nonsense. The gas is then "eternal" which again would be a matter of faith because that is something beyond the scope of human understanding and there is certainly no proof (scientific evidence is strongly weighted against, some would say conclusively, of any matter being eternal) and the gas is essentially "God" like in that regards - no beginning. The "miraculous" event that would be required even in infinite amount of time and randomness for "life" to come from innate matter is another insurmountable issue - also completely unscientific and irrational to hold to. In other words, atheism is itself, a fantastical belief based upon faith. And if you look at it, it is way more fantastical than what the Jews, Christians or Muslims have come up with. It is not a revealed faith as the major and minor religions of the world claim to be, but it is still a faith and not a fact derived from scientific method.
And of course it would be wrong to call an actual atheist a satan worshipper because satan himself, has a convicted belief in God that would make any born again Christian blush in embarrassment by comparison.
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Maher started it.
I agree with that.
not trying to start a war