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NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

School has raised more than $450 million of its estimated $600 million needed to cover tuition in perpetuity

Sixty-two percent of NYU medical school’s most recent graduating class had student loans, averaging $171,908 for medical school and $184,000 overall.



By Melissa Korn / Wall Street Journal

Updated Aug. 16, 2018

New York University said Thursday that it will cover tuition for all its medical students regardless of their financial situation, a first among the nation’s major medical schools and an attempt to expand career options for graduates who won’t be saddled with six-figure debt.

School officials worry that rising tuition and soaring loan balances are pushing new doctors into high-paying fields and contributing to a shortage of researchers and primary care physicians. Medical schools nationwide have been conducting aggressive fundraising campaigns to compete for top prospects, alleviate the debt burden and give graduates more career choices.

NYU raised more than $450 million of the roughly $600 million it estimates it will need to fund the tuition package in perpetuity, including $100 million from Home Depot founder Kenneth Langone and his wife, Elaine. The school will provide full-tuition scholarships for 93 first-year students—another 9 are already covered through M.D./PhD programs—as well as 350 students already partway through the M.D.-only degree program.

“This is going to be a huge game-changer for us, for our students and for our patients,” said Dr. Rafael Rivera, associate dean for admission and financial aid. The school will refund out-of-pocket tuition payments already made for the current year, and return loans students may have taken out.

The move dwarfs efforts by other schools, including Columbia University and the University of California, Los Angeles, to alleviate the financial strain of a medical education. Earlier this year Columbia’s Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons announced it would eliminate loans for all students who qualify for financial aid, while UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine expects to provide more than 300 full scholarships between 2012 and 2022, based on merit.






The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western Reserve University, with just 32 students a year, has paid full tuition and fees since 2008 in an effort to encourage graduates to pursue academic and research careers.

Nationally, 72% of graduates from the class of 2018 had debt from medical school, with a median of $195,000 in loans, according to student surveys by the Association of American Medical Colleges. More than one-third of medical students also have student loans from prior academic programs.

Sixty-two percent of NYU medical school’s most recent graduating class had student loans, averaging $171,908 for medical school and $184,000 overall. Most medical students will still need to pay for about $29,000 in annual room, board and other living expenses; tuition had been set at $55,018 for the coming year.

“There’s really a moral imperative to reduce the amount of debt people have,” Dr. Rivera said, citing concerns that loan burdens are shaping career choices and might even be scaring some prospects away from going to medical school at all.

Schools are also seeking to better reflect the population of U.S. patients in terms of race, ethnicity, gender and socioeconomic backgrounds. Asians make up a disproportionate share of medical-school classes, but other minorities are vastly underrepresented.

The median parental income for new medical-school students is $125,000, according to the AAMC.

Most medical students who want to go into lower paying practices like family medicine and endocrinology can take advantage of federal programs in which their monthly loan payments are tied to discretionary income; their loan balances are then forgiven after 10 or 25 years, depending on where they work. With compounding interest, they often don’t make much dent on the principal balance.

The salary disparity for doctors can be stark. The four lowest-paying specialties, all in pediatrics, had average annual compensation of $221,900 or below, according to a survey of more than 65,000 doctors by Doximity, a medical social network for clinicians. Doctors specializing in internal medicine had average annual compensation of $260,000.

Meanwhile, neurosurgery was the top-paying specialty last year, with average compensation of $662,755. Thoracic surgery and orthopaedic surgery rounded out the top three, at $602,745 and $537,568, respectively.

There’s no guarantee that schools’ new scholarships will push more students into less lucrative specialties or underserved communities, as the tuition payments aren’t tied to any career commitment after graduation. But school officials are hopeful.

“If you’re faced with debts that you’re likely to have into your 50s, it’s got to have an influence on what you choose to do,” said Dr. Lee Goldman, dean of Columbia’s Faculties of Health Sciences and Medicine. Published tuition for that school is $61,146 this year; including living expenses, students can expect to shell out between $92,311 and $100,665, the school says.




Former Merck & Co. chairman Dr. P. Roy Vagelos and his wife, Diana, gave Columbia’s medical school $250 million last winter, with $150 million earmarked for the endowment that funds the new no-loan financial aid package. About half the class receives need-based aid.

Generous aid packages are a powerful recruiting tool.

Columbia’s yield, or the share of admitted students who actually enrolled, increased by 1% this year in the wake of the financial aid announcement, and the school anticipates an even higher yield in the future.

UCLA boasts on its website that students have turned down offers from the University of California, San Francisco, Harvard University and Stanford University to attend its medical school, thanks to merit scholarships covering all costs for up to 20% of students. Those are funded by a $100 million gift made in 2012 by entertainment mogul David Geffen.

“I don’t know of any schools that would not want their students to graduate debt-free,” said Dr. Roy Ziegelstein, vice dean for education at the top-ranked Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “All schools are aiming for that end result.”

Median debt for Hopkins medical students who borrow is around $110,000, well below the national median.

Dr. Ziegelstein commended Columbia and other schools for their financial aid initiatives. “I love it. And I’m trying to do the same thing,” he said.

Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn@wsj.com
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=292687]NYU Makes Tuition Free for All Medical Students

School has raised more than $450 million of its estimated $600 million needed to cover tuition in perpetuity

Sixty-two percent of NYU medical school’s most recent graduating class had student loans, averaging $171,908 for medical school and $184,000 overall.



By Melissa Korn / Wall Street Journal

Updated Aug. 16, 2018

New York University said Thursday that it will cover tuition for all its medical students regardless of their financial situation, a first among the nation’s major medical schools and an attempt to expand career options for graduates who won’t be saddled with six-figure debt.

School officials worry that rising tuition and soaring loan balances are pushing new doctors into high-paying fields and contributing to a shortage of researchers and primary care physicians. Medical schools nationwide have been conducting aggressive fundraising campaigns to compete for top prospects, alleviate the debt burden and give graduates more career choices.

NYU raised more than $450 million of the roughly $600 million it estimates it will need to fund the tuition package in perpetuity, including $100 million from Home Depot founder Kenneth Langone and his wife, Elaine. The school will provide full-tuition scholarships for 93 first-year students—another 9 are already covered through M.D./PhD programs—as well as 350 students already partway through the M.D.-only degree program.

“This is going to be a huge game-changer for us, for our students and for our patients,” said Dr. Rafael Rivera, associate dean for admission and financial aid. The school will refund out-of-pocket tuition payments already made for the current year, and return loans students may have taken out.

The move dwarfs efforts by other schools, including Columbia University and the University of California, Los Angeles, to alleviate the financial strain of a medical education. Earlier this year Columbia’s Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons announced it would eliminate loans for all students who qualify for financial aid, while UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine expects to provide more than 300 full scholarships between 2012 and 2022, based on merit.






The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western Reserve University, with just 32 students a year, has paid full tuition and fees since 2008 in an effort to encourage graduates to pursue academic and research careers.

Nationally, 72% of graduates from the class of 2018 had debt from medical school, with a median of $195,000 in loans, according to student surveys by the Association of American Medical Colleges. More than one-third of medical students also have student loans from prior academic programs.

Sixty-two percent of NYU medical school’s most recent graduating class had student loans, averaging $171,908 for medical school and $184,000 overall. Most medical students will still need to pay for about $29,000 in annual room, board and other living expenses; tuition had been set at $55,018 for the coming year.

“There’s really a moral imperative to reduce the amount of debt people have,” Dr. Rivera said, citing concerns that loan burdens are shaping career choices and might even be scaring some prospects away from going to medical school at all.

Schools are also seeking to better reflect the population of U.S. patients in terms of race, ethnicity, gender and socioeconomic backgrounds. Asians make up a disproportionate share of medical-school classes, but other minorities are vastly underrepresented.

The median parental income for new medical-school students is $125,000, according to the AAMC.

Most medical students who want to go into lower paying practices like family medicine and endocrinology can take advantage of federal programs in which their monthly loan payments are tied to discretionary income; their loan balances are then forgiven after 10 or 25 years, depending on where they work. With compounding interest, they often don’t make much dent on the principal balance.

The salary disparity for doctors can be stark. The four lowest-paying specialties, all in pediatrics, had average annual compensation of $221,900 or below, according to a survey of more than 65,000 doctors by Doximity, a medical social network for clinicians. Doctors specializing in internal medicine had average annual compensation of $260,000.

Meanwhile, neurosurgery was the top-paying specialty last year, with average compensation of $662,755. Thoracic surgery and orthopaedic surgery rounded out the top three, at $602,745 and $537,568, respectively.

There’s no guarantee that schools’ new scholarships will push more students into less lucrative specialties or underserved communities, as the tuition payments aren’t tied to any career commitment after graduation. But school officials are hopeful.

“If you’re faced with debts that you’re likely to have into your 50s, it’s got to have an influence on what you choose to do,” said Dr. Lee Goldman, dean of Columbia’s Faculties of Health Sciences and Medicine. Published tuition for that school is $61,146 this year; including living expenses, students can expect to shell out between $92,311 and $100,665, the school says.




Former Merck & Co. chairman Dr. P. Roy Vagelos and his wife, Diana, gave Columbia’s medical school $250 million last winter, with $150 million earmarked for the endowment that funds the new no-loan financial aid package. About half the class receives need-based aid.

Generous aid packages are a powerful recruiting tool.

Columbia’s yield, or the share of admitted students who actually enrolled, increased by 1% this year in the wake of the financial aid announcement, and the school anticipates an even higher yield in the future.

UCLA boasts on its website that students have turned down offers from the University of California, San Francisco, Harvard University and Stanford University to attend its medical school, thanks to merit scholarships covering all costs for up to 20% of students. Those are funded by a $100 million gift made in 2012 by entertainment mogul David Geffen.

“I don’t know of any schools that would not want their students to graduate debt-free,” said Dr. Roy Ziegelstein, vice dean for education at the top-ranked Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “All schools are aiming for that end result.”

Median debt for Hopkins medical students who borrow is around $110,000, well below the national median.

Dr. Ziegelstein commended Columbia and other schools for their financial aid initiatives. “I love it. And I’m trying to do the same thing,” he said.

Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn@wsj.com[/quote]

I am the only one who finds this absurd, considering the fact that the NYU undergrad tuition is amongst the most expensive in the country at around 70K per year(with room and board)?
 
Higher Ed is a business... and this is a business expense they expect to get an ROI by keeping their reputation high and brand visible.... the undergraduate costs help keep their ability to fund their machine whether it be real estate or grad medical program. Probably hope down the road they get it back in extra alumni donations.
 
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Monte wrote: I am the only one who finds this absurd, considering the fact that the NYU undergrad tuition is amongst the most expensive in the country at around 70K per year(with room and board)?

As someone with a son who will start college next year, I can assure you that NYU is not alone in that type of undergrad tuition. Both Davidson & Wake Forest are in the $65K plus range just in my neck of the woods. This is social engineering in the sense that NYU has decided (not without some merit) that we need doctors more than we need investment bankers or lawyers. As RedStormNC points out, higher ed is a business and NYU is betting this is a good business decision as well as the right one from a citizenship perspective.
 
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And, unless I'm reading this incorrectly, it sounds like they raised an additional $600 million outside of their traditional fundraising and $4.1 billion endowment to fund this initiative.
 
While cherry picking the lowest paid md specialties it makes all physicians look somewhat middle class. What this initiative does is assure for now that nyu will attract the brightest and best qualified applicants in the world and I'm careful to make the distinction between academic qualifications and best physicians.

I'm of the belief that all scholarships should be repaid at least in part to fund more scholarships for the next generation of students. As it stands, scholarships are a tax free gift, where paying students pay with post tax savings (or their parents do).

In med school today many professors encourage students to choose specialties with higher pay and regular hours.

Since we are entering a geriatric baby boomer era, our health care system is facing unprecedented challenges to provide high quality care. Any initiatives to drive talent to healthcare professions are ultimately good if well intentioned
 
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I forget if I ever told anyone this story. Have a client who told both his kids he was giving them X amount of $. Use it for college or whatever they wanted but that was it and he wouldn't influence them one way or the other. One went to college and then med school and is in debt because they went to real expensive college and then med school.

The other used the money and never went to college. He worked for landscaper in high school then used the money and bought a route then bought another and another. Long story short this person has 0 debt and extremely wealthy living in a fully paid house in Brookvile

Crazy
 
To become a teacher or a Social Worker you need a Masters Degree. If you have to take out loans, you can easily end up with over $50,000.00 in student loans. Then the banks sell off the loans and the interest gets compounded. The starting salaries are not great either. It is extremely difficult for someone to go into these professions today because of this. The income disparity in this country today is outrageous. Growing up in the 50's, I lived in a middle class neighborhood that had doctor's, lawyers, nurses, school teachers, civil service workers, sanitation workers, etc. all living in the same community in Queens. You will never see this again, especially in New York City.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=292911]I forget if I ever told anyone this story. Have a client who told both his kids he was giving them X amount of $. Use it for college or whatever they wanted but that was it and he wouldn't influence them one way or the other. One went to college and then med school and is in debt because they went to real expensive college and then med school.

The other used the money and never went to college. He worked for landscaper in high school then used the money and bought a route then bought another and another. Long story short this person has 0 debt and extremely wealthy living in a fully paid house in Brookvile

Crazy[/quote]
My daughter is pretty much costing me more for one semester at GW, then my son cost me for 4 years at SUNY Albany. Moral of the story: Public colleges in NY and many other states(Fla, Mich, etc) are some of the best values in education, especially when avoiding student loan debt. Next question: then why are you sending your daughter to GW and not a SUNY or CUNY School? Answer: Because I'm a sucker.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=292911]I forget if I ever told anyone this story. Have a client who told both his kids he was giving them X amount of $. Use it for college or whatever they wanted but that was it and he wouldn't influence them one way or the other. One went to college and then med school and is in debt because they went to real expensive college and then med school.

The other used the money and never went to college. He worked for landscaper in high school then used the money and bought a route then bought another and another. Long story short this person has 0 debt and extremely wealthy living in a fully paid house in Brookvile

Crazy[/quote]

I have a feeling that the landscaper son would have done quite well even if he took the other path.
 
A Free Tuition Education

Ken Langone’s book should be required reading at NYU.



By The Editorial Board / Wall Street Journal

Aug. 20, 2018

New York University announced late last week that it will offer free tuition for every current and future student attending its medical school. That’s pretty cool and will save students some $55,000 a year and a lot of debt. But in the spirit of Milton Friedman’s line that there is no such thing as a free lunch, allow us to suggest that every NYU student should have one obligation in return for accepting the gift—read and write an essay on Ken Langone’s autobiography, “I Love Capitalism!”

The medical students should at least know where the money for their free tuition will come from. It doesn’t flow from the good intentions of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and it isn’t a product of the Cuban health-care system.

It will come from capitalists like Ken Langone and his wife Elaine, who donated about $100 million of the $600 million that NYU says it will need to fund the scholarships. The son of a plumber and a cafeteria worker, Mr. Langone went to Wall Street after Bucknell and NYU business school. He went on to found Home Depot ,

Mr. Langone has channelled much of his wealth into philanthropy, including the medical center at NYU that is named for him and his wife. As Mr. Langone explains in his book, this is how a free society creates wealth and then redistributes it. Socialism creates little wealth and redistributes poverty, as Venezuelans are discovering. The medical students could spend a semester in Caracas to learn these lessons, but they can save time and considerable pain by reading Mr. Langone.
 
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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=293072]A Free Tuition Education

Ken Langone’s book should be required reading at NYU.



By The Editorial Board / Wall Street Journal

Aug. 20, 2018

New York University announced late last week that it will offer free tuition for every current and future student attending its medical school. That’s pretty cool and will save students some $55,000 a year and a lot of debt. But in the spirit of Milton Friedman’s line that there is no such thing as a free lunch, allow us to suggest that every NYU student should have one obligation in return for accepting the gift—read and write an essay on Ken Langone’s autobiography, “I Love Capitalism!”

The medical students should at least know where the money for their free tuition will come from. It doesn’t flow from the good intentions of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and it isn’t a product of the Cuban health-care system.

It will come from capitalists like Ken Langone and his wife Elaine, who donated about $100 million of the $600 million that NYU says it will need to fund the scholarships. The son of a plumber and a cafeteria worker, Mr. Langone went to Wall Street after Bucknell and NYU business school. He went on to found Home Depot ,

Mr. Langone has channelled much of his wealth into philanthropy, including the medical center at NYU that is named for him and his wife. As Mr. Langone explains in his book, this is how a free society creates wealth and then redistributes it. Socialism creates little wealth and redistributes poverty, as Venezuelans are discovering. The medical students could spend a semester in Caracas to learn these lessons, but they can save time and considerable pain by reading Mr. Langone.[/quote]

I have a liberal mindset for social justice and lifting those in poverty out by a hand up, but the insanity of socialism that has hijacked the mindset of many just frightens and astounds me. Those like Langone who have made incredible charitable donations are detested by many recipients for the success he has had attaining wealth. It is why capitalism works imperfectly while socialism is a false panacea used by those who gain power and wish to control masses by offering redistribution of wealth. It just doesnt work and never has
 
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