"Not Columbus" Day – SJU...

firestorm

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It is an academic calendar. Not sure why any holidays actually need to be listed.

As example, Christmas not listed as fall semester classes over already...but Easter is listed.


Should be consistent...list federal & main religious holidays or don't list any and just say no classes.

Business decision though...do you alienate the value of alums & donors vs deemed potential upside or risk of protests.
 
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Why do people get so up in arms about someone who never actually discovered anything, and oversaw atrocities in the place he didn't actually discover? Time to let it go.
 
Why do people get so up in arms about someone who never actually discovered anything, and oversaw atrocities in the place he didn't actually discover? Time to let it go.
You mean I have to wait almost a year to celebrate Leif Erickson Day?
 
I find the school's decision to fudge around the issue of calling the Columbus Day holiday a "Fall Mini-break" a little disingenuous. I disagree with the decision and don't like the communication. What are the thoughts around here?

Trust me, you don't want to know my thoughts. But the ticket office will know my thoughts by Tuesday.
 
Monte, god bless you, I’m an Irish American alum and proud member of the Knights of Columbus although not of Italian heritage I’m beyond embrassed about my Alma mater . Us Non-Woke alumni need to step up, in fact our Italian-American head coach needs to step up. The University is crapping on Italian Americans The question I ask is WHY ?
 
Trust me, you don't want to know my thoughts. But the ticket office will know my thoughts by Tuesday.
Leaders, as much as they hate to, have to suuround themselves with people who think differently, and aren't punished when they disagree with your decisions. Many fail to do this.

I wonder if anyone at SJU is pushing back hard on this.
 
Monte, god bless you, I’m an Irish American alum and proud member of the Knights of Columbus although not of Italian heritage I’m beyond embrassed about my Alma mater . Us Non-Woke alumni need to step up, in fact our Italian-American head coach needs to step up. The University is crapping on Italian Americans The question I ask is WHY ?
Thanks 85'. God bless you too. As to why, people much more in the know than me may know why. I don't. Frankly, I don't really car why, I only care that they did it. They can do as they wish, and I'll now do as I wish.
 
If this or any school or government agency really cared about indigenous people in America, instead of changing names of sports teams or canceling Columbus Day, how about changing deplorable conditions on reservations, like the Hopi and Navajo reservations at the gateway to the Grand Canyon, or offering more scholarships to indigenous students. After all, what Anerica undoubtedly did and continues to do to indigenous people makes anything Columbus is accused of seem trivial by comparison.

Maybe it's time for St. John's to pull the plug on St. Patrick's Day over the way that holiday is celebrated.
 
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If this or any school or government agency really cared about indigenous people in America, instead of changing names of sports teams or canceling Columbus Day, how about changing deplorable conditions on reservations, like the Hopi and Navajo reservations at the gateway to the Grand Canyon, or offering more scholarships to indigenous students. After all, what Anerica undoubtedly did and continues to do to indigenous people makes anything Columbus is accused of seem trivial by comparison.
Beast... your sentiment has too much logical reasoning and rational assessments for most administrations this day in age....
 
If this or any school or government agency really cared about indigenous people in America, instead of changing names of sports teams or canceling Columbus Day, how about changing deplorable conditions on reservations, like the Hopi and Navajo reservations at the gateway to the Grand Canyon, or offering more scholarships to indigenous students. After all, what Anerica undoubtedly did and continues to do to indigenous people makes anything Columbus is accused of seem trivial by comparison.

Maybe it's time for St. John's to pull the plug on St. Patrick's Day over the way that holiday is celebrated.
You seem to underestimate the power of virtue signaling.
 
If this or any school or government agency really cared about indigenous people in America, instead of changing names of sports teams or canceling Columbus Day, how about changing deplorable conditions on reservations, like the Hopi and Navajo reservations at the gateway to the Grand Canyon, or offering more scholarships to indigenous students. After all, what Anerica undoubtedly did and continues to do to indigenous people makes anything Columbus is accused of seem trivial by comparison.

Maybe it's time for St. John's to pull the plug on St. Patrick's Day over the way that holiday is celebrated.
In Canada, we have our own shameful (albeit different from the US) history with Indigenous people that we are still trying to work through. I can argue/understand either side on these types of decisions. But if SJU is going to turn away from Columbus Day, stand up and say so. Don't hide behind the "Mini-Fall Break" line.
 
Why do people get so up in arms about someone who never actually discovered anything, and oversaw atrocities in the place he didn't actually discover? Time to let it go.
I'm just as unhappy about the school's response. Stand up and own the decision -- even if it may be unpopular -- or don't make it. The response to the question felt a little slippery to me. I would hope for better from the university.
 
From Browne's quote in article, it seems that it's been this way for six years, not new.

Maybe it was self launched again to take the pressure of Pitino's pullover choice on Friday 😆
 
In Canada, we have our own shameful (albeit different from the US) history with Indigenous people that we are still trying to work through. I can argue/understand either side on these types of decisions. But if SJU is going to turn away from Columbus Day, stand up and say so. Don't hide behind the "Mini-Fall Break" line.
The problem I have with the action by the university is that the decision is not so much based on values or morality as it is going along with a culture that cancels long held accomplishments of individuals based on contemporary values.

So we have founding fathers that are no longer revered despite their role in building our nation because of what we find universally reprehensible today but was such a contested issue that our nation engaged in civil war.

I'm actually okay with those determinations if they are done as a result of examination of the facts concluding based on deeply held moral convictions that those individuals no longer deserve our respect and honor.

However I do have a problem with those leaders who go with the flow because something is politically expedient. That doing something according to your convictions will bring disdain or heat upon you if you stand up in righteousness and hold firm.

Columbus, who it was just revealed, may not even been Italian by DNA. Curiously that exhuming of his bones 400 years later and declaring he was a Sephardic Jew quite possibly not born in Genoa Italy kind of fits in current plans that separate Columbus as a source of Italian American pride in our country. So now in addition to Columbus possibly not been the first explorer to discover the Americas, not having set foot in North America, and engaging in warfare with Indigenous tribes he encountered, guess what folks? He was a Jew, you know, those people who are somehow the violent aggressors despite being the victims of the most violent terrorist attack one year ago.

Universities owe it to their charters, to be great halls of public debate. To examine facts as we know them and use develop critical thinking skills in students by testing theorems as to whether what we hold to be true are actually valid.

Instead, in recent years even doctrines that are at the bedrock of our nation, such as "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" are challenged or distorted. I'm 100% okay with challenge. Social science as with physical science must continually subject itself to testing and re-testing as new evidence might reveal that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth.

In recent years we fired an adjunct professor not for suggesting their was an inherent good in slavery, as he was accused of by a group proclaiming themselves radicals, but terminatec because it was easier to fire an adjunct without standing in the university than to stand with him and defend him while possibly bringing the wrath of those who were burning cities.

When a Catholic University does these things, whether terminating faculty wrongly our canceling a long held holiday celebrating the discoverer of America, not because of alleged wrongs but simply because it is expedient to do so, we become less than who we say we are. Pontius Pilate questioned "what is truth?" before yielding to the mob. A university owes it to itself to at the very least do the same before yielding to the mob.

St. Patrick may have been Italian and not Irish. There were also no snakes to be driven out of Ireland, which is part of St. Patrick's myth. I wish we could say the same.
 
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