New York's College Hoops - Mike Vaccaro

I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
 
I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
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Last year I proposed a "Big Apple" Invitational where a good selection of local schools compete in the area pro-sites (MSG, Barclays, Nassau Col). SJU, Manhattan, Iona, St. Francis, Fordham, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Columbia, LIU, etc., would compete, but the idea was not looked on with much interest. Might be fun, rather than reaching down to play D2 schools.
 
STJ has played 1 D2 school in the last 10 years and that was dictated by the NIT organizing committee so that's not an issue.

I admire what the Big 5 do but without historical context its a no win situation for the supposed big brother of the rivalry so this idea, which is raised at least every 12 months by someone, will likely not fly.
 
I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
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Last year I proposed a "Big Apple" Invitational where a good selection of local schools compete in the area pro-sites (MSG, Barclays, Nassau Col). SJU, Manhattan, Iona, St. Francis, Fordham, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Columbia, LIU, etc., would compete, but the idea was not looked on with much interest. Might be fun, rather than reaching down to play D2 schools.
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I suggested this many times...for the Holiday Festival which is putrid. St John's wants to appear to be a cut above the others rather than play them as equals. Different topic; Iona is in a bad spot when it comes to scheduling games. The big boys buy wins by inviting and paying mid majors to play in their gyms. Iona is a risk when it comes to a team buying the win. They'll have to stink a bit more before they get any invites.
 
I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
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I think the issue is money. Essentially these schools have to bribe a top 25 team to play them. They have to make it financially attractive a la Long Beach St.
 
I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
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I think the issue is money. Essentially these schools have to bribe a top 25 team to play them. They have to make it financially attractive a la Long Beach St.
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It's the other way round. Mid majors are paid to be the Washington Generals in order to pad out of conference results.
 
I don't understand, Paul. Long Beach St did the Top 25 OOC tour to make money, not to cost them money.

Like Newsie said, only Iona is among the mid majors striking fear in the hearts of some teams. The others should be able to get the games they need. Stony Brook went to Georgia, Cincy, Providence and Washington this year and made some money doing it no doubt. While not quite as good Manhattan went to UMass, Pitt and Northeastern

I think the other problem with Iona is their style of play. Its havoc/mayhem and opposing coaches trying to drill in some systems and fundamentals might not see the value in playing against this type of team.
 
I applaud Vaccaro for his articles on NY area college BB but the only way for Iona, Man,SB, St. F and Hof to get any public interest is for these schools to play top 100 schools and get a win once in a while.
They have to meet them in early season tournaments or play at the top 100 school's arena without a home return game and win a game every so often. Iona can beat Monmouth, Marist, Rider the next 50 times they play and it would mean less than a win vs a top 25 team
Iona won some 24 games this season but not one in the top 100. NYC sport fans are not interested. I know it can be difficult to schedule games vs top teams but until these low mid major do I don't see any increase in fan's interest.
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I think the issue is money. Essentially these schools have to bribe a top 25 team to play them. They have to make it financially attractive a la Long Beach St.
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It's the other way round. Mid majors are paid to be the Washington Generals in order to pad out of conference results.
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I don't think that is the rule any longer. The way I understand it is that the marquee teams negotiate the lion share of revenue including only playing at home. LBS, is probably an exception though some other schools may try to do the same. The coach has financial incentives tied to these type of games and LBS becomes more attractive by boosting their RPI in the process of playing multiple top 25-50 teams.
 
Yeah, Paul, the high majors make most of the money through their TV contracts but then they use that money to pay schools to come to them and lose in November and December. That's how it works.
 
Had no idea Stoney Brook scheduled those teams. They do seem serious about upgrading their standing. If they could move to a tougher league?
 
Yeah, Paul, the high majors make most of the money through their TV contracts but then they use that money to pay schools to come to them and lose in November and December. That's how it works.
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you are correct. The way I understand it, is that in a normal game there is a revenue share with the home team getting the larger share after the home conference collects its cut e.g. 60/40. But in these cases the small school agrees to a set fee instead of a fair share. So for example in college football a small school might get $1million to play @ Michigan but a 40% share would be more like $30,000,000 for a game @ Michigan. You could argue that say Ohio St would bring a much larger audience and thus this is fair but in the case of college basketball there is much more parity so it is a much bigger risk for say St. John's to play Manhattan than for a "guarantee game" in college football.
 
One step at a time. Let's have them make the dance on Saturday. Their RPI is 109. Not too bad. My dad's a big fan.

PS when they beat Washington, Washington was ranked #13 in the country. Of course now that they've only won once since mid January (Washington that is), it's not a quality win anymore.
 
One step at a time. Let's have them make the dance on Saturday. Their RPI is 109. Not too bad. My dad's a big fan.

PS when they beat Washington, Washington was ranked #13 in the country. Of course now that they've only won once since mid January (Washington that is), it's not a quality win anymore.
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Are you referring to LBS? When did they beat Washington?
 
One step at a time. Let's have them make the dance on Saturday. Their RPI is 109. Not too bad. My dad's a big fan.

PS when they beat Washington, Washington was ranked #13 in the country. Of course now that they've only won once since mid January (Washington that is), it's not a quality win anymore.
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Are you referring to LBS? When did they beat Washington?
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No, I was responding to the post about Stony Brook.

LBS's RPI is about the same though. It's crazy they played 9 top 50 teams non conference plus K State and Syracuse. Only beat Xavier though.

Looks like Paul's response to another post got between mine and the one I was responding to. I'm just trying to keep the "quotes" to a minimum when I can.
 
Yeah, Paul, the high majors make most of the money through their TV contracts but then they use that money to pay schools to come to them and lose in November and December. That's how it works.
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you are correct. The way I understand it, is that in a normal game there is a revenue share with the home team getting the larger share after the home conference collects its cut e.g. 60/40. But in these cases the small school agrees to a set fee instead of a fair share. So for example in college football a small school might get $1million to play @ Michigan but a 40% share would be more like $30,000,000 for a game @ Michigan. You could argue that say Ohio St would bring a much larger audience and thus this is fair but in the case of college basketball there is much more parity so it is a much bigger risk for say St. John's to play Manhattan than for a "guarantee game" in college football.
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Yes, but the money a Syracuse say pays LB State to come and play is still far more than they would generate in revenue for a home game against Pacific. And you need to at least drop a zero if we're talking hoops instead of football.
 
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