New Pete Rose Allegation

You still have to place the bat on a ball that is pitch and
considering he was one of the better hitters in baseball pitchers tried harder to get him out. They make all kinds of bats you need the skill to use them.that being said it’s an allegation made . Where is one of the bats and let them show that that particular bat was used by Pete in a game
 
[quote="usguard" post=386593]You still have to place the bat on a ball that is pitch and
considering he was one of the better hitters in baseball pitchers tried harder to get him out. They make all kinds of bats you need the skill to use them.that being said it’s an allegation made . Where is one of the bats and let them show that that particular bat was used by Pete in a game[/quote]

Alleged bat x-ray picture

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/this-is-pete-roses-corked-bat-30900763/amp[/URL]
 
It's all about generating bat speed with enough mass behind it to hit well. Babe Ruth used something like a 46 ounce bat; decades later Richie Allen used a 44 ounce bat. In general power hitters used 36 ounce, some 34. Stan Musial was an anomally at the time, using a 30 or 31 ounce bat.

Today, power hitters use lighter bats. Corking a bat would allow you to use a lighter bat, giving you bat speed, but the ball would still jump off the bat the way a heavier bat would.
 
[quote="usguard" post=386593]You still have to place the bat on a ball that is pitch and
considering he was one of the better hitters in baseball pitchers tried harder to get him out. They make all kinds of bats you need the skill to use them.that being said it’s an allegation made . Where is one of the bats and let them show that that particular bat was used by Pete in a game[/quote]

Its water under the bridge and Pete isn't getting into the Hall of Fame anyway and he is certainly not the only player to do this. Of course you have to get the bat on the ball and Pete was great at that but my experience in playing baseball leads me to believe that it only takes a small shift in equipment to make a noticeable difference. A good example I give is that I used to play recreational tennis from the late 70's to the early 90's when I was a kid through college. I stopped playing after college as I enjoyed playing in basketball and softball leagues and running. I then had twins and gradually started to get lazy. Well to make a long story short I was staying at a nice resort in Lake Placid about five years ago. The place had tennis racquets so I figured I would just hit the ball for a little while with my wife. It was shocking as to how hard I could hit the ball. All tennis players have this equipment and you need to have great skill but the racquet makes a difference. The same goes in baseball.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=386603]It's all about generating bat speed with enough mass behind it to hit well. Babe Ruth used something like a 46 ounce bat; decades later Richie Allen used a 44 ounce bat. In general power hitters used 36 ounce, some 34. Stan Musial was an anomally at the time, using a 30 or 31 ounce bat.

Today, power hitters use lighter bats. Corking a bat would allow you to use a lighter bat, giving you bat speed, but the ball would still jump off the bat the way a heavier bat would.[/quote]

This is false. Corked bats decrease the distance a ball will travel. Players can't make up the difference in loss of mass through the increase in bat speed. It's been tested. But, it does allow for higher rates of contact. Perfect for guys like Rose.
 
Not a Pete Rose fan. But this news is reported 36 years later? Will be difficult IMHO to prove our disprove.

Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
[quote="AlexSTJ" post=386606][quote="Beast of the East" post=386603]It's all about generating bat speed with enough mass behind it to hit well. Babe Ruth used something like a 46 ounce bat; decades later Richie Allen used a 44 ounce bat. In general power hitters used 36 ounce, some 34. Stan Musial was an anomally at the time, using a 30 or 31 ounce bat.

Today, power hitters use lighter bats. Corking a bat would allow you to use a lighter bat, giving you bat speed, but the ball would still jump off the bat the way a heavier bat would.[/quote]

This is false. Corked bats decrease the distance a ball will travel. Players can't make up the difference in loss of mass through the increase in bat speed. It's been tested. But, it does allow for higher rates of contact. Perfect for guys like Rose.[/quote]

The popular mechanics article explains what you are saying:

[URL]https://www.popularmechanics.c...793/the-machine-that-shatters-baseball-myths/[/URL]

I will say this. Rose was not a singles hitter. His power was in the gaps, and he did hit 160 career homeruns, which wasn't shabby in his era.. However he did hit 765 doubles, which is more than Hank Aaron did for his career, albeit with 3000 more at bats.
 
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Wan't it Pete Rose himself that proclaimed he would be the first 100,000 dollar a year singles hitter? :unsure:
 
[quote="bamafan" post=386658]Wan't it Pete Rose himself that proclaimed he would be the first 100,000 dollar a year singles hitter? :unsure:[/quote]

1000 extra base hits. He probably did. Not exactly al weis.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=386667][quote="bamafan" post=386658]Wan't it Pete Rose himself that proclaimed he would be the first 100,000 dollar a year singles hitter? :unsure:[/quote]

1000 extra base hits. He probably did. Not exactly al weis.[/quote]

Strong Island’s own Al Weis

Career numbers:
7 home runs, 119 rbis, .219 ave

But when it counted against the best pitching staff in the A.L.:
1 home run, 3 rbis, .455 ave - not just amazing, miraculous!
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=386670][quote="Beast of the East" post=386667][quote="bamafan" post=386658]Wan't it Pete Rose himself that proclaimed he would be the first 100,000 dollar a year singles hitter? :unsure:[/quote]

1000 extra base hits. He probably did. Not exactly al weis.[/quote]

Strong Island’s own Al Weis

Career numbers:
7 home runs, 119 rbis, .219 ave

But when it counted against the best pitching staff in the A.L.:
1 home run, 3 rbis, .455 ave - not just amazing, miraculous![/quote]

When Willie Randolph was injured for the 1978 World Series, Brian Doyle filled in as the Yankee second baseman. In six World Series games, he batted .438 with seven hits in 16 at bats, one double, four runs scored and two runs batted ins, leading the World Series in batting average while helping the Yankees to their second straight World Series victory.
 
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[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=386670][quote="Beast of the East" post=386667][quote="bamafan" post=386658]Wan't it Pete Rose himself that proclaimed he would be the first 100,000 dollar a year singles hitter? :unsure:[/quote]

1000 extra base hits. He probably did. Not exactly al weis.[/quote]

Strong Island’s own Al Weis

Career numbers:
7 home runs, 119 rbis, .219 ave

But when it counted against the best pitching staff in the A.L.:
1 home run, 3 rbis, .455 ave - not just amazing, miraculous![/quote]

Franklin Square!!!

His WS vs. the Orioles was nothing short of miraculous.

Impossibly he is 82 years old.
 
Rose was a singles hitter. He was fortunate enough to play on astro turf most of his career. That stuff turned ground balls in the gap into easy doubles far too often.

Anyway...Tony Gwynn was a singles hitter also:
[URL]https://www.sportingnews.com/u...s-cancer-san-diego/16kapd5wn11qd1c8hjmxy0ijyq[/URL]

And if HE was a "singles hitter" then Rose was even more so, as was Ichiro. Aaron was not. Their 162 game averages:
Ichiro: 189 His, 35 Xtra base hits, .311 BA, .402 Slug%
Rose: 194 Hits, 47 Xtra base hits, .303 BA, .409 Slug%
Gwynn: 209 Hits, 51 Xrtra base hits, .338 BA, .459 Slug%
Aaron: 185 Hits, 73 Xtra base hits, .305 BA, .555 Slug%

He's a Hall of Fame talent, but a Hall of Shame person.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/...ines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986[/URL]

I'm not even going to get into his reported penchant for underage girls, but this guy is a disgrace to the game and should never be allowed anywhere near the Hall of Fame.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=386680]Rose was a singles hitter. He was fortunate enough to play on astro turf most of his career. That stuff turned ground balls in the gap into easy doubles far too often.

Anyway...Tony Gwynn was a singles hitter also:
[URL]https://www.sportingnews.com/u...s-cancer-san-diego/16kapd5wn11qd1c8hjmxy0ijyq[/URL]

And if HE was a "singles hitter" then Rose was even more so, as was Ichiro. Aaron was not. Their 162 game averages:
Ichiro: 189 His, 35 Xtra base hits, .311 BA, .402 Slug%
Rose: 194 Hits, 47 Xtra base hits, .303 BA, .409 Slug%
Gwynn: 209 Hits, 51 Xrtra base hits, .338 BA, .459 Slug%
Aaron: 185 Hits, 73 Xtra base hits, .305 BA, .555 Slug%

He's a Hall of Fame talent, but a Hall of Shame person.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/...ines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986[/URL]

I'm not even going to get into his reported penchant for underage girls, but this guy is a disgrace to the game and should never be allowed anywhere near the Hall of Fame.[/quote]

Your rage against Roses character is palpable, and I won't debate or disagree necessarily.

I did fantasy baseball for a number of years. One of the categories I tracked, was # of extra base hits. Power hitters on the decline would dip in to low 50's even as they continued to hit 25-30 home runs. Elite players had 70 or more. I think one year at least, Reyes has around 90 extra base hits, (probably close to 50 doubles, 20 triples, and 19 or 20 home runs). Above 65 extra base hits made you a formidable power hitter. Fifty didn't make you a singles hitter.

I don't think of Gwynn as a singles hitter. He it 25 or more doubles 15 times, 30 or more doubles 7 times, and 10 or more home runs 5 times.

I think of Matty Alou as a singles hitter, with only 317 extra based hits in over 6000 career at bats.

My thoughts of a singles hitter is a guy who is very unlikely to beat you with a home run or extra base hit. Neither Gwynn nor Rose fall into that category as far as I'm concerned, It's all about where you draw the line. .
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=386683]

Your rage against Roses character is palpable, and I won't debate or disagree necessarily.
[/quote]

Rage?
I couldn't care less about Pete Rose. The book on him is closed. Very good hitter, no power, so-so defensive player...awful human being who committed the one unforgivable sin: He bet on baseball (as a player and a manager) and for doing so is banned from baseball for life. End of story.

I'm not in any way, shape, or form emotionally invested in him to even the tiniest degree.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=386687][quote="Beast of the East" post=386683]

Your rage against Roses character is palpable, and I won't debate or disagree necessarily.
[/quote]

Rage?
I couldn't care less about Pete Rose. The book on him is closed. Very good hitter, no power, so-so defensive player...awful human being who committed the one unforgivable sin: He bet on baseball (as a player and a manager) and for doing so is banned from baseball for life. End of story.

I'm not in any way, shape, or form emotionally invested in him to even the tiniest degree.[/quote]

Found my self agreeing with you and then the "wait a minute" button in my brain went off and I thought about his going after Buddy Harrelson and that as a true Brooklyn Dodger fan I should have admired Mr. Rose for his bravery for if that altercation had persisted one can only imagine former US Marine Gil Hodges breaking Mr. Rose in half.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=386697][quote="SJUFAN2" post=386687][quote="Beast of the East" post=386683]

Your rage against Roses character is palpable, and I won't debate or disagree necessarily.
[/quote]

Rage?
I couldn't care less about Pete Rose. The book on him is closed. Very good hitter, no power, so-so defensive player...awful human being who committed the one unforgivable sin: He bet on baseball (as a player and a manager) and for doing so is banned from baseball for life. End of story.

I'm not in any way, shape, or form emotionally invested in him to even the tiniest degree.[/quote]

Found my self agreeing with you and then the "wait a minute" button in my brain went off and I thought about his going after Buddy Harrelson and that as a true Brooklyn Dodger fan I should have admired Mr. Rose for his bravery for if that altercation had persisted one can only imagine former US Marine Gil Hodges breaking Mr. Rose in half.[/quote]

What's the problem with two singles hitters going at it? :)

Actually, to me that was the cardinal sin. #3 was my favorite Met player. I was so damned skinny until age 20 that I figured if Buddy could make the majors, I should have to root for him too.
 
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