NBC sports has Johnnies 9th next year
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Tavis Smiley has St. John's finishing 5th with Ponds returning.
P.S. He said he never groped any of those bitches.
P.S. He said he never groped any of those bitches.
[quote="salty dog" post=285766]Travis Hines just wrote a piece on Big East comings and going’s and predicts another tough year for Mullin and company finishing 9th out of 10 just ahead of DePaul However he has Xavier at 2 This is with no Ponds[/quote]
...and I was about to slam NBC and liken this 'prediction' to Lou Boda's (in)-famous call that Lew Alcindor wouldpick St. John's over UCLA the next day.
Still harsh, 7 - 9th, sans Ponds.
But does he 'know' something??
Most consider it unlikey that Shamorie will be drafted in the 1st 2 rounds...
...and I was about to slam NBC and liken this 'prediction' to Lou Boda's (in)-famous call that Lew Alcindor wouldpick St. John's over UCLA the next day.
Still harsh, 7 - 9th, sans Ponds.
But does he 'know' something??
Most consider it unlikey that Shamorie will be drafted in the 1st 2 rounds...
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Saw this yesterday. Shouldn't be shocking...we have been DePaul with a few very good OOC wins the past 3 years. Our record has been atrocious. We were in an 11 game losing streak last year. That's not a typo that's 1-1. It's not being negative, it's where we are at right now. Those who wear rose colored shades to the extreme will lash out at NBC over this. Realists understand where they're coming from. So many years we are hyped and hyped with potential, however we almost never realize it or come close to. Even in that year when Lavin had Sanchez coming in, we had tons of depth and experience and we should've been an easy top 25 team all year as a shoe-in for the tourney. We only ended up getting in by the skin of our teeth at the 11th hour that year then quickly exited if I remember correctly. My point is that because of our awful performances the past 3 years, we will not be afforded the benefit of the doubt like Xavier or Butler. They have proven themselves even with coaches coming in and out. Our national perception is very low and we have a ton of work to do to get national respect again. You can make all the excuses in the world for Mullin but he's the captain of the ship and he's going to either go down with it or steer it out of the storm. Next season is 100% do or die...let's get Rice, get a big, and stay healthy.
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We are going to surprise a lot people next year who are unfamiliar with us. Ponds can potentially have an All American season next year with the surrounding firepower that we now have. Hopefully we continue the same defensive intensity we played with all last season. I know "bigs" and rebounding will be our Achilles heel, but I'm confident in the other tangibles that we have to overcome our deficiencies.
Why would any of these “all too early” prognostications have much accuracy since rosters have not been filled out? It gives these guys something to do.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.
NBC Sports and its pre season BE predictions have as much credibility as NBC News or MSNBC ... May Predictions are likely to be Old News by November . I think we early on surprise many Pundits and finish the Year strongly . Of course , injuries do happen and can impact a Team’s results . Our current Roster appears better than what we finished with and gives hope . Adding a late Edition Big Player can advance our standing , from Mid Tier BE to upper Ranks .
[quote="Paultzman" post=285791]Why would any of these “all too early” prognostications have much accuracy since rosters have not been filled out? It gives these guys something to do.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.
[quote="SJU1512" post=285826][quote="Paultzman" post=285791]Why would any of these “all too early” prognostications have much accuracy since rosters have not been filled out? It gives these guys something to do.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Great post
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Great post
[quote="SJU1512" post=285826][quote="Paultzman" post=285791]Why would any of these “all too early” prognostications have much accuracy since rosters have not been filled out? It gives these guys something to do.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Bingo again the fact that SJU fans are "worried" that Ponds will stay in draft and leave SJU shorthanded is the staff's problem not mine. This goes directly to the idea that they have simply not recruited at a particularly high level especially in the high school ranks. Plenty of top local guards that were available in 2017 and 2018 that they failed to close on. This certainly was anticipated so if Ponds does not return this does not become a ready made excuse for this staff to have a bad 2018-19, on the contrary, it is evidence they simply have not done a good enough job discharging their duty of recruiting better 4 year players. That's on them. They don't get to benefit from their own failure.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Bingo again the fact that SJU fans are "worried" that Ponds will stay in draft and leave SJU shorthanded is the staff's problem not mine. This goes directly to the idea that they have simply not recruited at a particularly high level especially in the high school ranks. Plenty of top local guards that were available in 2017 and 2018 that they failed to close on. This certainly was anticipated so if Ponds does not return this does not become a ready made excuse for this staff to have a bad 2018-19, on the contrary, it is evidence they simply have not done a good enough job discharging their duty of recruiting better 4 year players. That's on them. They don't get to benefit from their own failure.
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Yes ,I hear what young's are saying and agree,but the staff has this yr then letbthe complaints rightfully fall on their heads and the adj start to be made. BUT I can not keep going down the neg road ,hope I can stay positive for this yr that is of course we are not at the bottom of the league ,than we all have a reason to start
[quote="usguard" post=285832]Yes ,I hear what young's are saying and agree,but the staff has this yr then letbthe complaints rightfully fall on their heads and the adj start to be made. BUT I can not keep going down the neg road ,hope I can stay positive for this yr that is of course we are not at the bottom of the league ,than we all have a reason to start[/quote]
Great partial post usguard but please let us know if you are alright as your post ended in mid sentence. Hopefully you just dosed off.
Great partial post usguard but please let us know if you are alright as your post ended in mid sentence. Hopefully you just dosed off.
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[quote="fordham96" post=285829][quote="SJU1512" post=285826][quote="Paultzman" post=285791]Why would any of these “all too early” prognostications have much accuracy since rosters have not been filled out? It gives these guys something to do.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Bingo again the fact that SJU fans are "worried" that Ponds will stay in draft and leave SJU shorthanded is the staff's problem not mine. This goes directly to the idea that they have simply not recruited at a particularly high level especially in the high school ranks. Plenty of top local guards that were available in 2017 and 2018 that they failed to close on. This certainly was anticipated so if Ponds does not return this does not become a ready made excuse for this staff to have a bad 2018-19, on the contrary, it is evidence they simply have not done a good enough job discharging their duty of recruiting better 4 year players. That's on them. They don't get to benefit from their own failure.[/quote]
Double bingo as I've said a couple of times that this staff has failed to close on their top targets, except for Slick, in 3 years. With Kofi and a half dozen other regional targets, they need to be doubling down on recruiting but they are not. Having a 20 win season next year and failing to get the needed recruits will end badly. Let's see if the powers that be have been getting the message.
That said at the end of the day SJU will have to earn its way back to being a respected BE team. Yes, LoVett screwed us, but you are what your record indicates. Secondly, entering last season with such a thin roster is on staff. It is great to make positive assumptions now re Keita, Dixon, Figueroa, the freshmen, but on paper “stuff” rarely translates.
It is time to win plain and simple & forget about over hyping the new guys. Getting defensive about the team being perceived as lower tier BE squad makes no sense. We have not evidenced anything to change that. Clinging to the Duke & Nova wins in face of 11 game losing streak is also fools gold to a certain extent. Having a solid year & dancing isn’t. No more excuses, staff must and should make real strides this year, assuming Ponds is not in D League.[/quote]
Well said and agreed. And to add if Ponds is playing professionally that's no excuse either. Staff has had the better part of three years to plan for potential early departure of an elite talent like Ponds, and being so reliant on one player this far into their tenure is not a good job. Hopefully Ponds is back and it's a moot point, no need to ding staff for something that doesn't happen, but they've exposed themselves to quite a bit of risk in this regard.
And frankly that might still be true even if Ponds does return given the likely ability of Ponds/Simon to leave after this year, but if that were to happen would hopefully be with the benefit of 1-2 impact '19 signings in the fall + a strong season, both of which should have program more stabilized to deal with those type of material departures than it is presently.[/quote]
Bingo again the fact that SJU fans are "worried" that Ponds will stay in draft and leave SJU shorthanded is the staff's problem not mine. This goes directly to the idea that they have simply not recruited at a particularly high level especially in the high school ranks. Plenty of top local guards that were available in 2017 and 2018 that they failed to close on. This certainly was anticipated so if Ponds does not return this does not become a ready made excuse for this staff to have a bad 2018-19, on the contrary, it is evidence they simply have not done a good enough job discharging their duty of recruiting better 4 year players. That's on them. They don't get to benefit from their own failure.[/quote]
Double bingo as I've said a couple of times that this staff has failed to close on their top targets, except for Slick, in 3 years. With Kofi and a half dozen other regional targets, they need to be doubling down on recruiting but they are not. Having a 20 win season next year and failing to get the needed recruits will end badly. Let's see if the powers that be have been getting the message.